/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>724730
how so?

>>724732
Women only train just will mean men get stuffed into more crowded train, and I turned off shutter noise cause it's annoying, I take pics of things that I think are funny to send to BF and I don't want to make a big spectacle while doing it

>>724706
>mandatory camera shutter
either complied with out of politeness (aka not mandatory) or a wedge to advantage closed source software.
>women only trains
Cishet moment.

That said yeah things are generally improving in japan, if Japan decided to finally have some dignity and rejoin China it'd be a pretty great place. Until then the only thing that spoils it is that it's a corporate hell island with little union presence.

>>724706
the point is that japanese males are so rapey that these things *need* to exist in order for society to even function over there. other countries dont need it

>>720602
>i came across people outside of twitter who claims to hate the app that also believes pedophilia is normalized in japan even though i heard of 0 negative experiences from people in japan so far.
Duh, they're not kids, they don't have kids or they don't take their kids to Japan, of course they won't have creepy fat weebs following them around asking how mentally mature the kids are.
>>720718
>it's just western drawn smut had a reputation for being kinda ugly up until recently.
Only if you're a weeb.
>>721957
>Abolish the family and have the state raise kids,
You think pedophiles can't worm their way into the system?
>>721970
Retard.
>>721994
>Ethics have long since solved this, no morality needed. Read Stirner.
Guy would more likely than not say that arresting pedophiles is a spook and your ethics are no different from bourgeois morality.

>>724781

>course they won't have creepy fat weebs following them around asking how mentally mature the kids are.
the website is ran by weebs and anime lovers and also populated with such. also morality is a spook

>your ethics are no different from bourgeois morality.
the word “bourgeois” loss its meaning just like the words “woke” and “puritan”

>>724791
What website?

mandatory

>>724794

leftypol. also i meant to say “this”. i apologize for any confusion

>>724791
>the word “bourgeois” loss its meaning just like the words “woke” and “puritan”
"Bourgeois morality" refers to the fact that morality is inherently a product of the superstructure that arises from and maintains the bourgeois base. That morality will not persist in a meaningful capacity after the base is drastically changed to one that is no longer bourgeois.

Ethics are morals are mutually exclusive, because if something is done for moral reasons, it's already unethical.
>>724781
>Guy would more likely than not say that arresting pedophiles is a spook
Instead, change the material conditions that led to them sexually assaulting a kid. Prisons are bourgeois nonsense.

Putting someone that engages in anti-social behavior doesn't fix the root cause of that anti-social behavior. Instead it just ensures a supply of people to put in boxes, allowing capitalists to have a guaranteed supply of slave labor, among other "benefits" for the bourgeois superstructure and base.

If someone is detained under socialism, the whole duration of that detainment will be spent diagnosing the issues that led to that behavior, fixing it, then letting everyone involved get back to normal activities with any accommodations and safeguards necessary in place. No longer than that. Otherwise you believe that pedophilia is an essence and thus you would not be a materialist.

>>724874
Your ideology is overpowering actual facts in your analysis. There is no "pedophile conversion therapy".
>Otherwise you believe that pedophilia is an essence and thus you would not be a materialist.
Practically all modern research points to it being unchangeable and originating in the womb.

>>724885
Well then get them to be researchers / at least keep them at research facilities to figure out what conditions causes that to happen in the womb. Every minute a pedophile rots in jail is another minute not spent making a vaccine or whatever for it. It's still ultimately going to be a material conditions thing, in or out of the womb.

>>724791
What's your justification for catching child predators? Seems like every reason is "le bourgeois moralfagging".

>>725035
NTA but:
1) If you have an area where people have to spend mental resources fending off assailants, sexual or otherwise, work done in that area is far less efficient. It is ethical, not moral, to prohibit people in an area where work is done from committing acts of assault against each other so they can focus on things other than self-defense.
2) temporary detainment of an assailant can prevent streaks of offenses and allow diagnosis of the issue that led to the assault, and put preventative measures in place going forward.

>>724874
You think people go on to rape kids because they live in a KKKrapitalist dystopia and they'd be wholesome smol beans if the world was socialist?
>>725043
>Muh productivity and line goes up but socialist
Get outta here crakka.

>>725062
>unga bunga me have big stick and care not morals or productivity
<fried by laser from nearby socialist fusion powered mobile city.
Who knew higher modes of production concern themselves with raising productivity while minimizing labor and resources required to achieve said productivity.

>>725062
Also:
>You think people go on to rape kids because they live in a KKKrapitalist dystopia and they'd be wholesome smol beans if the world was socialist?
Yes.

Japan is no longer an imperial state except when its vassal overlord, the US, wants to drag them into a conflict. The normalization of pedophilia probably has ties to the way the U.S. has used them as a sex tourism spot in the past and the way in which prostitution is normalized. Japan is a fucked up place culturally and the U.S. probably has a lot to do with it, but it’s hard to find much research on explicit influences being former empire and comprador state has had. I suspect that’s purposeful. People pointing out its pedophilic impulses you see online is typically backlash to the weird orientalism and idealization certain foreign otaku or weebs have about the country. It’s not surprising.

*a mysterious figure emerges from the shadows*

nobunaga : m-master…

??? : i have a mission for you, nobunaga-san… you must wage war agaisnt the other warlords and unite the island of japan, there you must build a nation in my image

nobunaga : yes sir…

??? : do not disappoint me…. son..

the responses under this post i made reeks of the mentally ill it’s awesome

>>720324
> and it’s because of pedophilia and rape, and the pedo or rape in question are just drawings instead of pulling up actual statistics of pedophilia or rape being normalized in that nation
Why do you think they have an "artistic" obsession with the topic? Japan only illegalized child pornography in 2014!. The cartoon porn and the real commercial child pornography they used to produce and sell commercial child pornography until 1999!

The Rurouni Kenshin mangaka got caught with child pornography.
https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519

You don't think that a lot of these mangakas who make the loli rape mangas don't also beat their meat to really CP? Maybe you're telling the truth, that you're a cartoon only CP guy, but the two are very much connected.

>>725286
>the responses under this post i made reeks of the mentally ill it’s awesome
Your post was total shit. You just gave a half-assed shower thought with no clear point or throughline.

>all i know is that misogyny and racism are a problem in japan so there’s probably a hint already that pedophilia and rape are also normalized in japan as well.
Lol and your main point was supposed to be that people were making an uninformed criticism of Japan and then you just straight up admit you have no idea what you're talking about?

>>725288
What's with you weeb freaks pushing this idea that you can't judge someone based off of the "art" they consume or that "art" might reflect their own beliefs or reinforce, or even negatively influence them. Like if some guy told you his favorite "art" is the Turner Diaries, Stonetoss, MDE, Ben Garrison, etc. You wouldn't draw any conclusions from that? Would you say it's wrong to make that inference about that person's character and beliefs?

>>725290
>"art"
Have no clue or care what ya'll are babbling about in this thread but Tactical Patricia Taxxon video be upon thee, randian objectivist reactionary.

>>725292
>Have no clue or care what ya'll are babbling about in this thread but
why would anyone need to read anything after that? lol.

>>725290
Turner Diaries is about a particular real-world philosophy, not a sexual fantasy, lol

>>725288
>>725289

you guys need to be either be thrown into insane asylums or perhaps seek employment by treating fictional discourse a culture war. or “we vs us” thing. just shows this place is full of psychotic and insane middle class individuals. but i never really cared about this place when i came back to this thread again. i have better things to do than to just argue with people whose brain are small by indulging in online activism for fictional drawings

>>725327
oxymoron

>>725411
Bruh you're never going to convince anyone that you're not very sus for wanking it to drawn CP. Why is this an absolute crusade for you people? You literally won't rest until we all approve of your predilection.

>>725637
>Bruh you're never going to convince anyone that you're not very sus for wanking it to drawn CP.
If they wanted to do that they'd go on twitter. People that touch digital grass don't think about that 24/7.
>You literally won't rest until we all approve of your predilection.
It's like the evangelical vs pious atheist conundrum, both work together to hijack any space where it isn't a hot topic and make it such: even resorting to posting twitter screenshots to export the discourse when there is no effective opening.

This is not a thing outside of centralized social media and immediate periphery. The reason people with niche interests feel compelled to have their interests "accepted" online is because they refuse to leave centralized social media, so they have to dominate to be normalized or else the abnormality of it sparks discourse.
Before centralized social media this was not a framework people thought under. If someone was into or was indifferent to something, they'd just go to a forum or webring where said stuff was allowed or was of primary focus, or just post about it on their own site. Someone that wasn't into that thing would nearly never willingly go to said places, and so clashes wouldn't happen at nearly the scale they do now.
This is the same reason bronies were the first fandom to be annoying about it: they arrived just as the core web gained critical mass and consumed most of people's activity online. They posted about ponies to centralized social media and people that weren't into it didn't know how to cope with content they weren't personally into showing up on screen. They got harassment, so they counterattacked, in a loop, forever.

tl:dl; anti-lolishos and lolishos that get into arguments with them are twitter addicts and should touch digital grass.

>>725655

thanks for the explanation. i try not to argue with anti loisho people but too many moralfags keeps visiting a thread that makes them angry

>>725667
You started a discussion on a topic and I gave my opinion on it you weeb faggot.

>>725655
>This is not a thing outside of centralized social media and immediate periphery
i think that if you told someone irl that you masturbate to drawn cp theyd also be weirded out

>>725669
>i think that if you told someone irl that you masturbate to drawn cp theyd also be weirded out
Has it occurred to you that someone simply wouldn't do that? That you don't need to dump a complete manilla folder of your interests, dislikes, disabilities and medical information, etc… onto every stranger?

>>725670
>Has it occurred to you that someone simply wouldn't do that? That you don't need to dump a complete manilla folder of your interests, dislikes, disabilities and medical information, etc… onto every stranger?
That's what we're telling you fucking pedo freak. We're stranger and you're here demanding our approval.

>>725677
>you fucking pedo freak
meds, get off twitter. Not everyone that disagrees with you is some secret pedophile.

>>725680
You're not going to gaslight anyone here. Again I ask, why do you demand we approve of your perversions?

>>725683
I'm not the anon you're talking about, I'm this anon:
>>725655
>>725670
>>725680
…and don't feel like figuring out who did make that demand in this thread.

So once again I'll ask, without regard for your deflection: what base would maintain this discourse if centralized social media and it's immediate periphery collapsed? What would be the play-by-play of one (1) of such interactions, since >>725669 already proved preposterous.

>>725668

this website is ran by weebs and the mascot is literally a catgirl drawn in the anime-esque art style. either go back to reddit or twitter edgelord please and thank u

>>720324
>why the fuck do westoids have awful reasons to hate japan? i hate japan too because of its imperialist nature and capitalist economic system

good for you? i just hate sake and think anime is mid

>but i never understood the people who claim they hate japan, and it’s because of pedophilia and rape, and the pedo or rape in question are just drawings instead of pulling up actual statistics of pedophilia or rape being normalized in that nation.

uygha they have women only trains because of how much sexual harassment and assault happens on their subways

Critical support for lolicons in their struggle against western moralism.

>>725719

women only trains don’t do shit and doesn’t help women either. they should just kill rapists instead i dunno. otherwise cishet moment

>good for you? i just hate sake and think anime is mid
boring asf + nobody asked about your opinion on anime either

>>724736
countries that isnty japan also has a major rape problem too. wtf is this wired ass racist radfem take

isnt*

>>726001
>women only trains don’t do shit and doesn’t help women either. they should just kill rapists instead i dunno
Anything but figuring out what material conditions are causing the problem and fixing that.

Isn't like japans rape rate one of the lowest on this planet so this whole groomer/women only trains discussion is useless because it clearly worked and women and children are save in japan?

>>726693
Rape and sexual harassment are underreported over there, just like homicide. And the creepy old men haven't stopped growing teens and young women at all - have you heard of "chikan"?

>>726693
Yeah, there can be creepy stalkers in Japan but the only people raping anyone at a huge degree in Japan are US soldiers.
>>726741
Sexual assaults will always be underreported sadly since victims are usually dependent on their assaulters. But we do have an independent matrix here: sexual assault against lone female travellers, who are not subject to the same strutural forces as a local woman. And, for an overwhelming majority, it is safe for lone female travellers to be in Japanese trains!
(It is safe to be a female traveller in Afghanistan too, but we're talking about law and order here rather than societal treatment to women)

>>726320

rape is bad. cry about it

nothing wrong with women only trains, they also allow children and the elderly of either gender to ride them and they are typically far less crowded so safer for all