why the fuck do westoids have awful reasons to hate japan? i hate japan too because of its imperialist nature and capitalist economic system. but i never understood the people who claim they hate japan, and it’s because of pedophilia and rape, and the pedo or rape in question are just drawings instead of pulling up actual statistics of pedophilia or rape being normalized in that nation. all i know is that misogyny and racism are a problem in japan so there’s probably a hint already that pedophilia and rape are also normalized in japan as well. this isn’t trying to defend japan or whatever but im rather concerned about how they’re not being critical when criticizing a nation like japan
>why do westoids assume facts about the world based entirely on consumption of a narrow spectrum of media
it's a mystery to us all
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I hate Japan because I want a depressed leftover salarywoman GF but can’t get one. Literally all I want is to give my big breasted salarywoman GF paizuri and tell her that everything will be alright (it won’t, capitalism won)
>>720391
i stopped taking western “feminists” seriously because all they do is get mad at cartoons and not the misogyny part. i feel like if it was ww2 again. western progressives would’ve supported japan’s bombing
>>720324It's because they have the correct intuition but don't know how to express it via material analysis.
Twitter people are racist and want Japan to be The Rape Nation so they can fight them as an effigy of their own sexual desires.
This is a non-issue outside of twitter.
>>720453kind of disagree. i came across people outside of twitter who claims to hate the app that also believes pedophilia is normalized in japan even though i heard of 0 negative experiences from people in japan so far. i just know misogyny and sexualization of young girls (presumably adults) are unfortunately common. but not sexual abuse of minors. after doing research though i realized how commonly underreported rape is in japan including “chikan”which is an act of molestation due to their misogynistic culture including how common SA also is in japan in general. i’ve heard of japanese women speaking up against pedophilia but for the most part it’s over the fact that loli in drawings is legalized in japan (which is ironic considering the fact it’s common for women to draw loli/shota nsfw as
far as i know) and not predators visiting japan due to its low age of consent or comparing real kids to drawings. i just think the zoomers in the west is mad they can’t get away with harming children unless they’re an adult because of ageism so they resort to racism instead as a way to cope
>>720602just to add onto this. i do think libs on twitter spread their racist beliefs even further by going after tik tok first, reaching across platforms cause they have an acc out of twitter or tik tok, which is why it’s common to see tik tokers, facebookers, and instagramers be stupid as fuck
>>720393If the USSR liberated Japan I would have this…. the Amercians are so evil
>i hate japan too
Why do we need to hate other nations tho
>>720453not related but whats with calling people the Raped "humor" i see popping up occasionally. does it have origins somewhere since it seems kind of odd
>>720615Earliest I saw of it was Onision videos on early YouTube
You're a retard
>>720629>>720621radlibs found this post. time to scurry
>>720398>>720453>>720602>>720603What's with so many modern Westie leftoids sucking up to Japan? Is it because of all the goonfuel they make? Are they still seen as hecking oppressed BIPOCerinos? Do you think that they'll be the first ones to achieve gay space communism?
>>720681what in the 4chan is this post and i don’t affiliate myself with any political ideology xd
>>720681>Is it because of all the goonfuel they make?it's not like Japan is unique in making drawn smut, it's just western drawn smut had a reputation for being kinda ugly up until recently.
>Are they still seen as hecking oppressed BIPOCerinosI don't speak twitter but I can dicern you're talking about race from "BIPOC." In regards to my post specifically
>>720453 I'm just pointing out that twitter people are algorithmically incentivized to rave about idpol nonsense, and this can get a bit freudian. Just see those 3 or so chuds that killed themselves due to BBC induced depression recently.
>Do you think that they'll be the first ones to achieve gay space communism?Nah that's China, but chances are Japan will become part of China soon anyway, since China is outcompeting them at the whole anime thing.
>>720764i’m an abuse victim myself and got preyed upon as well and find it disrespectful when people compare my experiences to drawings instead of focusing on real abuse in the matter
>>720697>>720718>>720768>>720778You fuckers are willing to overlook a reactoid one-party dictatorship that tried to slaughter half of Asia and Oceania and had plans to do the same in LatAm just because the smut they make makes your peckers hard… Why are you even on Leftypol?
What has this become but s treatcel dump…
>>721592nobody’s doing that. this reply is so delusional i started smiling in real life
>>720324>just drawingsand sounds…and VR…and body pillows…the degeneracy is truly endless
>>721648none of these are real, triggering fee fees and hating on the ebil degeneracy that has no effect on the real world are just cuckoldry from christian brainwashing, does not matter if it changed from pokemon to fucking porn.
>>721592What of my post
>>720718 vaugely resembles that? Japan is nothing in the current geopolitical landscape. Japan will be part of China within 20 years from now. Japan is not unique in making smut and communists reject
ALL bourgoise morality. You will be forced to goon to one (1) loli drawing per day to access The People's Toothbrush.
>>721638Everyone is doing that.
>>721734So CSAM would be commonplace then? Only bourgeoisie moralfags make laws against production and proliferation of CP.
>>721951CSAM requires power structures where children can be abused in the first place. Abolish the family and have the state raise kids, and there won't be parents to whore them out, and it'll be significantly harder to kidnap them.
>>721951CSAM is one of those terms that I immediately write off whoever uses it as a dumb liberal who doesn't think about the terms they use at all and just parrots others.
>>721970do you actually have a reason to do so besides being an edgy contrarian
>>721991They probably use twitter, where people really are like that, so their stance has been validated (fossilized) through algorithmically controlled affirmation.
>>721970If I assumed correctly, get off twitter and touch digital grass.
>>721951>Without morality, CSAM will run rampant somehow, so we must become counter-revolutionarien to protect the kids.Ethics have long since solved this, no morality needed. Read Stirner.
>>721994>They probably use twitter, where people really are like that, so their stance has been validated (fossilized) through algorithmically controlled affirmation.how do you even conceive that from a term alone, you should touch actual physical grass
>>721991Its not just "material", as if its just downloaded for no real reason, its consumed because its pornography. Why would it even be recorded and spread online if it wasn't pornography?? Why is it so wrong to accurately label it to where you need to make up some corporate-speak alternative using terms like "material" to avoid actually describing anything.
The argument is always that pornography is actually ethically made, so its not "real" pornography. But since when has that been the case? Why does the porn industry deserve that distinction? Does anyone earnestly believe that? Has anyone ever said that Deep Throat (1972) isn't real porn? People only follow along because they see everyone else use it and they don't want to be the diddyahhblud not using less accurate and more bloated terminology like everyone else in the woke crowd.
>>722002>its consumed because its pornographypornography is also a kind of recorded "material"
labeling it CSAM is meant to bring more weight to the "child sexual abuse" part than to "porn" part, it's pretty accurately describing what is happening in the recorded material
>The argument is always that pornography is actually ethically madehonestly i don't believe that either
>>722002I think "material" means recorded to a medium. Like you got a tape of something or digital file equivelant to one.
Like liveleaks would be "snuff material" or "animal abuse material."
>>722003>pornography is also a kind of recorded "material"So is security cam footage, all recordings are "material". But its not downloaded to serve some archival purpose, or any purpose aside from pornographic ones. So why is it so bad to just accurately use "porn" instead of "material".
If anything it would underline exactly what the possessor was doing, to me "CSAM" reads like making possession seem like it could just be someone documenting the dark side of the human condition, like when LiveLeak had the slogan "Documenting reality". All those gore sites say that they're just serving an archival purpose rather than the reality of just being a place for people to get an emotional thrill.
>>722006>making possession seem like it could just be someone documenting the dark side of the human conditionPeter Sotos would like to have a word with you. he got arrested for CSAM possession & distribution even if he intended to "showcase the dark side of the human condition", people to this day are debating whether he actually wanked to the material or he's just that edgy (Whitehouse called him out as a "boring heterosexual" though and I agree, edgy but not
disruptive)
>All those gore sites say that they're just serving an archival purposeyou don't seem to believe this either, so why argue for CSAM being read as "archival"?
>>722010Peter Sotos is the same guy who made books consisting of the transcript of gonzo porn, so I don't think his stint with CP has anything to do with it not necessarily being pornographic. He is all about the depravity shown in porn, I only read one of his books but it had the transcript of a porn film where a dude was trying to get a hooker to eat his shit.
>you don't seem to believe this either, so why argue for CSAM being read as "archival"?I'm just saying that if you're making a new term to really make sure that its unambiguous what crime is committed, I don't see the point in losing the intention behind the production/consumption is. Of course we all know what CP/CSAM is, but if you're going to reword it, why does it need to become something more vague like "material" when the previous term described the intention more.
>>721951please provide proof then since i don’t live on the internet unlike you. and if drawings are “csem” then i guess we should give drawings legal rights and put focus on them over children
>>722017>He is all about the depravity shown in porn [regarding books]trve… however his audio works (there are 3 full albums + some singular tracks he did for Whitehouse when he was a member, he also worked on some of the lyrics but I can't remember which tracks in particular were co-written with Sotos. I think the hooker eating shit story was used in the Quality Time title track among other things WB was interested in at the time, like NLP/Scientology stuff) are a "critique of mass media reporting on child sexual abuse" and contain no CSAM recordings, just interview recordings of SA victims
>I don't see the point in losing the intention behind the production/consumption is.I think the intention can be derived from the content itself pretty clearly in my opinion, the point is to bring more attention to the "child sexual abuse"
also "child porn" is already somewhat of a meme phrase, however warped that is this is blowing up. thank you for the attention guys
>>722232You forgot to attach the gigachad image
>>722232you would probably arrest someone over drawings if you had the chance
>>722238>>722239>>722245>>722699>more pedophilesTotal Lolicon and Shotacon Death can't come soon enough.
>>720324I guess some racism is at play there. Pedophilia (within limits) is seen as normal in pre-modern society in general. Europeans until not so long ago were just as much tolerant of pedophilia than Japanese. E.g. in original Hunchback of Notre Dame (not Disney bastardisation) Frollo is horrified and ashamed at himself for being attracted to Esmeralda because he's a Catholic priest to the degree where it drives him crazy and eventually kills everyone… but no one whatsoever, including author/narrator, bats an eye on Esmeralda being 16 (and Frollo ~40).
>>723183Since Europeans were the first to modernise their societies, they were the first to condemn and outlaw such attractions and relatonships, while the rest of the world trails behind. Therefore "Japanese/Asians in general are uniquely pedophilic" is the subset of the "These nonwhites are savages in the ways we whites never were!" racist myth.
>>724706Lol no, those are terrible
>>724732Women only train just will mean men get stuffed into more crowded train, and I turned off shutter noise cause it's annoying, I take pics of things that I think are funny to send to BF and I don't want to make a big spectacle while doing it
>>724706>mandatory camera shutter either complied with out of politeness (aka not mandatory) or a wedge to advantage closed source software.
>women only trainsCishet moment.
That said yeah things are generally improving in japan, if Japan decided to finally have some dignity and rejoin China it'd be a pretty great place. Until then the only thing that spoils it is that it's a corporate hell island with little union presence.
>>724706the point is that japanese males are so rapey that these things *need* to exist in order for society to even function over there. other countries dont need it
>>720602>i came across people outside of twitter who claims to hate the app that also believes pedophilia is normalized in japan even though i heard of 0 negative experiences from people in japan so far.Duh, they're not kids, they don't have kids or they don't take their kids to Japan, of course they won't have creepy fat weebs following them around asking how mentally mature the kids are.
>>720718>it's just western drawn smut had a reputation for being kinda ugly up until recently.Only if you're a weeb.
>>721957>Abolish the family and have the state raise kids,You think pedophiles can't worm their way into the system?
>>721970Retard.
>>721994>Ethics have long since solved this, no morality needed. Read Stirner.Guy would more likely than not say that arresting pedophiles is a spook and your ethics are no different from bourgeois morality.
>>724781
>course they won't have creepy fat weebs following them around asking how mentally mature the kids are.the website is ran by weebs and anime lovers and also populated with such. also morality is a spook
>your ethics are no different from bourgeois morality.the word “bourgeois” loss its meaning just like the words “woke” and “puritan”
>>724794leftypol. also i meant to say “this”. i apologize for any confusion
>>724791>the word “bourgeois” loss its meaning just like the words “woke” and “puritan”"Bourgeois morality" refers to the fact that morality is inherently a product of the superstructure that arises from and maintains the bourgeois base. That morality will not persist in a meaningful capacity after the base is drastically changed to one that is no longer bourgeois.
Ethics are morals are mutually exclusive, because if something is done for moral reasons, it's already unethical.
>>724781>Guy would more likely than not say that arresting pedophiles is a spookInstead, change the material conditions that led to them sexually assaulting a kid. Prisons are bourgeois nonsense.
Putting someone that engages in anti-social behavior doesn't fix the root cause of that anti-social behavior. Instead it just ensures a supply of people to put in boxes, allowing capitalists to have a guaranteed supply of slave labor, among other "benefits" for the bourgeois superstructure and base.
If someone is detained under socialism, the whole duration of that detainment will be spent diagnosing the issues that led to that behavior, fixing it, then letting everyone involved get back to normal activities with any accommodations and safeguards necessary in place. No longer than that. Otherwise you believe that pedophilia is an essence and thus you would not be a materialist.
>>724874Your ideology is overpowering actual facts in your analysis. There is no "pedophile conversion therapy".
>Otherwise you believe that pedophilia is an essence and thus you would not be a materialist.Practically all modern research points to it being unchangeable and originating in the womb.
>>724885Well then get them to be researchers / at least keep them at research facilities to figure out what conditions causes that to happen in the womb. Every minute a pedophile rots in jail is another minute not spent making a vaccine or whatever for it. It's still ultimately going to be a material conditions thing, in or out of the womb.
>>724791What's your justification for catching child predators? Seems like every reason is "le bourgeois moralfagging".
>>725035NTA but:
1) If you have an area where people have to spend mental resources fending off assailants, sexual or otherwise, work done in that area is far less efficient. It is ethical, not moral, to prohibit people in an area where work is done from committing acts of assault against each other so they can focus on things other than self-defense.
2) temporary detainment of an assailant can prevent streaks of offenses and allow diagnosis of the issue that led to the assault, and put preventative measures in place going forward.
>>724874You think people go on to rape kids because they live in a KKKrapitalist dystopia and they'd be wholesome smol beans if the world was socialist?
>>725043>Muh productivity and line goes up but socialistGet outta here crakka.
>>725062>unga bunga me have big stick and care not morals or productivity<fried by laser from nearby socialist fusion powered mobile city.Who knew higher modes of production concern themselves with raising productivity while minimizing labor and resources required to achieve said productivity.
>>725062Also:
>You think people go on to rape kids because they live in a KKKrapitalist dystopia and they'd be wholesome smol beans if the world was socialist?Yes.
Japan is no longer an imperial state except when its vassal overlord, the US, wants to drag them into a conflict. The normalization of pedophilia probably has ties to the way the U.S. has used them as a sex tourism spot in the past and the way in which prostitution is normalized. Japan is a fucked up place culturally and the U.S. probably has a lot to do with it, but it’s hard to find much research on explicit influences being former empire and comprador state has had. I suspect that’s purposeful. People pointing out its pedophilic impulses you see online is typically backlash to the weird orientalism and idealization certain foreign otaku or weebs have about the country. It’s not surprising.
the responses under this post i made reeks of the mentally ill it’s awesome
>>720324> and it’s because of pedophilia and rape, and the pedo or rape in question are just drawings instead of pulling up actual statistics of pedophilia or rape being normalized in that nationWhy do you think they have an "artistic" obsession with the topic? Japan only illegalized child pornography in
2014!. The cartoon porn and the real commercial child pornography they used to produce and sell commercial child pornography until
1999! The Rurouni Kenshin mangaka got caught with child pornography.
https://kotaku.com/rurouni-kenshin-creator-charged-with-possessing-child-p-1820633519You don't think that a lot of these mangakas who make the loli rape mangas don't also beat their meat to really CP? Maybe you're telling the truth, that you're a cartoon only CP guy, but the two are very much connected.
>>725286>the responses under this post i made reeks of the mentally ill it’s awesomeYour post was total shit. You just gave a half-assed shower thought with no clear point or throughline.
>all i know is that misogyny and racism are a problem in japan so there’s probably a hint already that pedophilia and rape are also normalized in japan as well. Lol and your main point was supposed to be that people were making an uninformed criticism of Japan and then you just straight up admit you have no idea what you're talking about?
>>725292>Have no clue or care what ya'll are babbling about in this thread butwhy would anyone need to read anything after that? lol.
>>725290Turner Diaries is about a particular real-world philosophy, not a sexual fantasy, lol
>>725288>>725289you guys need to be either be thrown into insane asylums or perhaps seek employment by treating fictional discourse a culture war. or “we vs us” thing. just shows this place is full of psychotic and insane middle class individuals. but i never really cared about this place when i came back to this thread again. i have better things to do than to just argue with people whose brain are small by indulging in online activism for fictional drawings
>>725411Bruh you're never going to convince anyone that you're not very sus for wanking it to drawn CP. Why is this an absolute crusade for you people? You literally won't rest until we all approve of your predilection.
>>725637>Bruh you're never going to convince anyone that you're not very sus for wanking it to drawn CP.If they wanted to do that they'd go on twitter. People that touch digital grass don't think about that 24/7.
>You literally won't rest until we all approve of your predilection.It's like the evangelical vs pious atheist conundrum, both work together to hijack any space where it isn't a hot topic and make it such: even resorting to posting twitter screenshots to export the discourse when there is no effective opening.
This is not a thing outside of centralized social media and immediate periphery. The reason people with niche interests feel compelled to have their interests "accepted" online is because they refuse to leave centralized social media, so they have to dominate to be normalized or else the abnormality of it sparks discourse.
Before centralized social media this was not a framework people thought under. If someone was into or was indifferent to something, they'd just go to a forum or webring where said stuff was allowed or was of primary focus, or just post about it on their own site. Someone that wasn't into that thing would nearly never willingly go to said places, and so clashes wouldn't happen at nearly the scale they do now.
This is the same reason bronies were the first fandom to be annoying about it: they arrived just as the core web gained critical mass and consumed most of people's activity online. They posted about ponies to centralized social media and people that weren't into it didn't know how to cope with content they weren't personally into showing up on screen. They got harassment, so they counterattacked, in a loop, forever.
tl:dl; anti-lolishos and lolishos that get into arguments with them are twitter addicts and should touch digital grass.
>>725655thanks for the explanation. i try not to argue with anti loisho people but too many moralfags keeps visiting a thread that makes them angry
>>725667You started a discussion on a topic and I gave my opinion on it you weeb faggot.
>>725655>This is not a thing outside of centralized social media and immediate peripheryi think that if you told someone irl that you masturbate to drawn cp theyd also be weirded out
>>725669>i think that if you told someone irl that you masturbate to drawn cp theyd also be weirded outHas it occurred to you that someone simply wouldn't do that? That you don't need to dump a complete manilla folder of your interests, dislikes, disabilities and medical information, etc… onto every stranger?
>>725670>Has it occurred to you that someone simply wouldn't do that? That you don't need to dump a complete manilla folder of your interests, dislikes, disabilities and medical information, etc… onto every stranger?That's what we're telling you fucking pedo freak. We're stranger and you're here demanding our approval.
>>725677>you fucking pedo freakmeds, get off twitter. Not everyone that disagrees with you is some secret pedophile.
>>725680You're not going to gaslight anyone here. Again I ask, why do you demand we approve of your perversions?
>>725683I'm not the anon you're talking about, I'm this anon:
>>725655>>725670>>725680…and don't feel like figuring out who did make that demand in this thread.
So once again
I'll ask, without regard for your deflection: what base would maintain this discourse if centralized social media and it's immediate periphery collapsed? What would be the play-by-play of one (1) of such interactions, since
>>725669 already proved preposterous.
>>725668this website is ran by weebs and the mascot is literally a catgirl drawn in the anime-esque art style. either go back to reddit or twitter edgelord please and thank u
>>720324>why the fuck do westoids have awful reasons to hate japan? i hate japan too because of its imperialist nature and capitalist economic systemgood for you? i just hate sake and think anime is mid
>but i never understood the people who claim they hate japan, and it’s because of pedophilia and rape, and the pedo or rape in question are just drawings instead of pulling up actual statistics of pedophilia or rape being normalized in that nation.uygha they have women only trains because of how much sexual harassment and assault happens on their subways
>>725719women only trains don’t do shit and doesn’t help women either. they should just kill rapists instead i dunno. otherwise cishet moment
>good for you? i just hate sake and think anime is midboring asf + nobody asked about your opinion on anime either
>>724736countries that isnty japan also has a major rape problem too. wtf is this wired ass racist radfem take
isnt*
>>726001>women only trains don’t do shit and doesn’t help women either. they should just kill rapists instead i dunnoAnything but figuring out what material conditions are causing the problem and fixing that.
Isn't like japans rape rate one of the lowest on this planet so this whole groomer/women only trains discussion is useless because it clearly worked and women and children are save in japan?
>>726693Rape and sexual harassment are underreported over there, just like homicide. And the creepy old men haven't stopped growing teens and young women at all - have you heard of "chikan"?
>>726693Yeah, there can be creepy stalkers in Japan but the only people raping anyone at a huge degree in Japan are US soldiers.
>>726741Sexual assaults will always be underreported sadly since victims are usually dependent on their assaulters. But we do have an independent matrix here: sexual assault against lone female travellers, who are not subject to the same strutural forces as a local woman. And, for an overwhelming majority, it is safe for lone female travellers to be in Japanese trains!
(It is safe to be a female traveller in Afghanistan too, but we're talking about law and order here rather than societal treatment to women)
nothing wrong with women only trains, they also allow children and the elderly of either gender to ride them and they are typically far less crowded so safer for all
>>726741Do they also underreport their murder rate?
I've seen some twitter libs trying to tell me that japan is a dystopia because people dont scream into their phones on the subway and they have a drink after their shift ends. Also they somehow have the highest rape rate because the dark figure is much higher than the official one (copium of the highest degree)
Honestly the only annoying thing about japan is the lack of trashcans, public and private.
>>726873>they somehow have the highest rape rate because the dark figure is much higher than the official oneI mean isn't that a reasonable assumption. Rape and sexual assault historically have a low reporting rate, because of the associated shame. I know that in some Western countries, each effort to make reporting easier and more covert has resulted in a jump in the case rate, so if the case rate in Japan has been consistently low since forever, it is a reasonable assumption that the dark figure must be significantly higher.
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