the careers of millions of artists. Do you care?
60 posts and 15 image replies omitted.>>726084learn to code, but wokely
>>726084>>726113its so funny when sheltered autists believe everyone a) cares about their hobby as much as them and b) has enough free time as they do
artists are either extreme corporate bootlickers or apolotical libs so maybe this'll shock them into thinking(spoiler: it has done nothing of the sort)
LLMs and image generators have taken over the word ai such that dumbasses really think game pathing AI and their "ai" slop is the exact same thing and think its a gotcha.
>>725345Communism seeks to abolish wage labor in case you didn't get the memo.
why are most people into furry for the money and not as a hobby
>>726389>(spoiler: it has done nothing of the sort)the downwardly mobile petit bourgeois are historically always the blackest reaction, best example being nazi germany
Once again, I imagine if you were having your fantasy narrative about how professional guitarists who made a living off of playing guitar were being outmoded by suno.ai or whatever kek.
>>727036I mean because you still won't get it:
>It's not that many people>they don't make that much moneyI mean the final point, like I don't really get it, so you found a formulaic way to make a cheap imitation? For what porpoise?
>>727023Twitter culture is hustle culture. Furries outside of twitter are legit just hobbyists / browsers of the fruits of said hobbyists.
Twitter added an SEO aspect to social interaction, such that even those that don't do commissions or anything were still competing in an attention market. Furries were just the most aware and vocally critical of this, but anyone on twitter is very much like that.
>>727040>not REAL furries, le REAL furries have enough money and free time to do it for freelol middle classers are so sad
idk why these threads always focus on twitter shit and never professional artists who work for a wage either
>>727041>idk why these threads always focus on twitter shit and never professional artists who work for a wage eitherGenerally their employer pays for their AI art generation subscription and they recognize slop as a tool. They're not in a race to the bottom competing with stable diffusion on who can draw dog dicks cheapest.
>>727041I see Misato has been hard at work bringing twitter tourists with no clue what middle class means here.
I'm going to simply say that if you live outside of China you're middle class or bourgoise.
Especially if you're homeless.
>>726011It's dead obvious by the way
If you didn't notice that, you're ngmi
>>727047
>I'm going to simply say that if you live outside of China you're middle class or bourgoise. Especially if you're homelessthe chinese glazers have gone schizo and is now spurting out nonsense
please take your meds man
>>727047<bring up money and free time<still get mad about the correct use of middle classeslearn to read dipshit
>twitter tourists with no clue what middle class means herewe have been filled with amerilards who think the only middle classes are the stupidly small section of small business owners and absolutely nobody else, everyone else magically has revolutionary class interests despite owing property and reserves since day 1 :)
>I'm going to simply say that if you live outside of China you're middle class or bourgoise. Especially if you're homeless.only an incredibly disingenuous retard who lives in a bubble and has never interacted with a minimum wage single mom could pretend artists
who dont even need to get paid to pursue their hobbies are anything remotely proletarian and exactly explains why they can only reach milquetoast "anti-capitalist" positions at best like getting mad at artists who take commissions and pretending the furry fandom is a monolith and the typical noble savage view of autists that these shitholes usually take
>>727156leftypol is 99% liberals who can only take one of two positions: 99% of workers are proletarians or some third worldist nonsense about class position depending on nationality lol, no nuance or critical analysis at all, only contrarianism from two equally retarded sides of liberal discourse
>>727163>they can only reach milquetoast "anti-capitalist" positions at bestYuup, lol. Funnily enough despite Marx and Engels being petit-bourgeois themselves, scam artists, idiots doing podcasts and people employed by their own parents, all writing complete gibberish have more in common with Proudhon than them.
>>727040People who say shit like this are just mirroring typical bourgeois ideological views rather than turning it on its head.
>>727040I feel like if you're gonna recognize Twitter as the great satan of the web that it is, you should actually stop using twitter. Furries outside of twitter are broke and often do try to make some money from it. That's not some moral failing and doesn't automataically make them le petbooj–despite what infrareds that Misato brought from twitter would have you believe–that's just what having a hobby looks like under capitalism.
I convince myself that getting 5 hours of sleep and some drawing practice in rather than 7 hours of sleep a couple days per week by saying it'll have a payout later, and that might be the boost I need to finally get to China. It'd be nice if it could be for it's own sake, but that's unreasonable to impose as an ideal.
quoted wrong post >>727203i’ve also seen this happen outside of twitter too tbh thanks to also tumblr and tik tok making an impact on the internet during the pandemic. i feel like as a result of this. the art community lost empathy and will just refuse to “work” with anyone a little weird despite the art community having worse people
slop replaced by slop
>>727530trvke. like am i supposed to believe the swarm of ychs and "o"cs and funneh relatable low effort comics arent just human produced slop
>>727604congratulations, you have replaced the biological slop machines that produces genuinely valuable art like 1-5% of the time with a mechanical slop machine that produces genuinely valuable art 0% of the time.
>>727625Absolutely nothing prevents this biomass from competing with AI on "genuinely valuable art".
>>727625They are quite good at more abstract styles
>>727625lol at this hysterical loser. how is ai slop preventing people from making "genuinely valuable art" exactly?
>>727625Even if Real(tm) Art(tm) stopped being made (never gonna happen, btw) we still have centuries of past art to enjoy.
>>727604Slop isn't a quality judgement, it's the non-communicativeness of it and the SEO aspect of it that makes it slop. Even low effort art is still communicative, even if in a small-talk sense.
>>727721even by your stupidly narrow definition that you totally pulled out of your ass the garbage i brought up is still slop
>>727722You just don't like small talk. Art is just language, developmentally and in practice.
>>727724>implying ychs and "o"cs and funneh relatable low effort comics arent SEO-powered bullshitare you genuinely mentally challenged bruh
even the prompt of AI slop has to be typed by a real person
>>727721>>727724It's soo obvious when phil undergrads join a discussion. Literally nobody even uses these definitions.
>>727725But they're still communicative, even if on the level of "how's the weather today."
Also I don't get why you're putting the concept of OCs there. Literally just the concept of non-fanart.
>>727726I've never even been to philidelphia, meds.
Also this is what I'm drawing from, not anything from college:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Lowenfeld >>725364the feverish desperation with which people yearn for the AI bubble bursting is as irrational as the bubble itself. the bubble could burst tomorrow and everything will be the same or worse. google and maybe microsoft would finally claw a monopoly over this shit in the US (which they already kind of do have, they're just letting competitors exist), and image models run on consumer hardware already. nothing would change for you.
>>727845AI image generation existed long before this hype and it meant fuck all for artists other than a cool avenue for pseudo-procgen. Again, the only reason any artists complained is because they fell for the same marketing you did.
It would just take the ankle weights off artists using this shit as an excuse not to lock in and hone their craft.
>>727847i'll reply to your barely relevant post, artists complained because it closed a very profitable avenue, and it absolutely did. i absolutely guarantee 90% of adult commissions are being fulfilled by AI today. whether there was a primitive form of procedural generation is completely irrelevant, why even bring it up? are you stupid and wanted to drop some stupid factoid to look like you know what you're talking about?
>>727859>it closed a very profitable avenueYeah, corpo jobs. I already mentioned those were off the table:
>>725364 Vast majority of artists uneffected, especially uneffected commission artists.
>i absolutely guarantee 90% of adult commissions are being fulfilled by AI today.Source: vibes
Before this people could simply browse boorus. Despite artists attention seeking by claiming they've lost work, none have proven loss of demand, and in fact by complaining they gained more, benefiting from AI as a marketing phenomenon.
>whether there was a primitive form of procedural generation is completely irrelevant, why even bring it upThen you admit nothing really changed, just more marketing was poured into something that already existed.
>are you stupid and wanted to drop some stupid factoid to look like you know what you're talking about?You need to learn to not panic type, adding that really defanged your post.
>>727861>uneffectedspeaking of defanging posts lol
>Before this people could simply browse boorus. >Source: vibesBoorus are currently filled with AI art, like most of it is AI. It's hard to get a good picture of who it displaced because, again, most of it is entirely informal, but if the place where most of this shit ends up is now made up of mostly AI stuff, then it's hard to argue that it isn't the dominant way people are producing this shit
>Then you admit nothing really changedSeriously, are you dumb? They went from making unintelligible crap that barely resembled anything real to really good anime titty generator. Why even bring it up? It's 100% irrelevant. It makes you look stupid each time you mention it.
This whole “muh AI is ruining artists careers” is getting old.
Most of those artists who you complain about are freelance commissions artists who do plain computerized manual drawings of iconic cartoon franchises.
>>725618Wdym?
People made realistic drawings of people before the camera.
The people who are getting upset about “AI” in art are people whom are scarred to more blue-collar fields of work
>>727872>minor spelling errorCope firstie
>>727872>Boorus are currently filled with AI art, like most of it is AI.Gelbooru and e621 seem pretty consistent about zapping it, and there's dedicated AI boorus so people don't bother.
>Seriously, are you dumb? They went from making unintelligible crap that barely resembled anything real to really good anime titty generator.From abstract (fun) to not really passable. I saw one latina pregnant goblin that seemed like it could've passed as a 3D model but it's it, you'd have to have long covid to think this is displacing anything.
>Why even bring it up? It's 100% irrelevant. It makes you look stupid each time you mention it.Bring up what in specific? That this has been around for a while and hasn't improved substantially?
>>727874this or they do adoptables or hybrid anthro ocs for money. kind of like nfts. they also tend to set their commissions prices way too high
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