Just got caught up with this show. Everyone on reddit hates Them and all the other individuals and thinks that Carol is absolutely right. This website sides with Them, right? They ended war, crime, poverty, animal abuse, and oppression overnight, and made everyone on Earth extremely happy, compassionate, and superintelligent. Only a rich white American would see this as a downgrade.
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>>732811Some level of individuality clearly exists, you can see it in differences in mannerism of individual hive members, but they all act according to single will.
>>732813The show made it clear their "rules" are more like sets of competing priorities. They wont pluck an apple to feed an individual, but they will kill 800 million people to preserve the collective.
>>732761>Smoking weed>Watching cartoons>It's badWhy is weed and cartoons still stigmatized?
Booze and televised sports are still encouraged.
>>732843I love weed. I'm not too into cartoons though as an adult. I still catch the Simpsons sometimes. Those Ghibli movies are okay once in a while if I'm in a very specific mood.
Never understood the whole anime obsession thing though. Seems like very strange people are into all that.
>>732866If you cannot understand the "anime obsession" and think only "weirdos" are into it, then explain why so many adults obsess over western cartoons like Looney Toons, South Park, etc
>>732867>so many adults obsess over western cartoons like Looney Toonslol fucking where. are you 80
>>732869You're being solipsistic rn and I don't have time to argue with you
Carol called Stalin a mass murderer. She deserves to suffer.
>>732867Looney Tunes is legitimately funny
>>732816They won't pluck an apple but they will maintain and provide nuclear weapons to an individual bent on using them.
>>732572>It feels like I've read this before tbh. It was an episode of rick and morty.
>>732813>>732816i dont think theres individuality because so far there hasnt been any evidence of it, and it doesnt look like vince is taking the show in that direction
as for the hiveminds internal rules, i think theyre pretty consistent, even if they make no sense to a human
>>732874Yea I know but that anon was getting a stuck up against anime.
Anyways, if you had to choose between Looney Tunes or Disney classic cartoons?
>>732877Maybe the real reason a hive mind such as that is so efficient is because it rids itself of the contradictions that individuality brings and therefore doesn't make sense to us
>>732867I don't understand those people either. But there aren't fetishes associated with those other things. What's to obsess over? Beyond watching South Park as a sitcom and appreciating Looney Tunes, I don't think there are many people like that. I bet Disney is more popular. And those people, if adults, are weirdos too. But they probably aren't isolated sexual deviants. Anime just has that taint to it. And you all know why.
>>732886If you think anime is the only cartoon medium with sexual deviants you're willfully naive.
>>732877What doesnt make sense to you about its rules?
>>732572> For example how there will always be contradiction within hive minds with different interests, the mind must be split into colonies due to limitations with the speed of information / lightI think a planet size hivemind would be able to work around the physical limits of information transfer, sort of like how we are able to work around it and play games online despite latency through literal tricknology
>>732891well, the fruit shit. its consistent given its rule that it cant harm any life, but it doesnt make sense from our perspective
Comparing the free association of producers aka communism to a hivemind is such a retarded thing to do, whether you're in favor of it or not.
>>732572>there will always be contradiction within hive minds with different interests, the mind must be split into coloniesPretty much how human society currently works.
>>732896It does make sense, it is pre-programmed instinctual drive, no different from instincts of any other organism.
People here will support hive mind until you thank them for the gold kind stranger
>>732881Looney Tunes hands down
>>732691least obvious SEELE glowie shilling Human instrumentality
>>732962Human instrumentality means the rejection of the evil man-god and return to the Earth godess who was traditionally enslaved through marriage. That's why its based.
The only issue with human instrumentality (and the reason I wouldn't support it) is that the LCL sea does not have the capacity to build industry, meaning it is limited. If the LCL sea could act like a slime monster building space ships and drones and dyson spheres and incorporating aliens into the soul merge and then expanding like a grey goo until all of the universe is alive and all of the universe is one, that would be really based.
>>732572Star Trek TNG tackled concepts like that with some of their Borg episodes.
>>732731>I really dont think you should treat this show as a hard sci-fi. It is a character study drama about a woman alienated from rest of humanity.So far you are right but I think it could be salvaged if the show did the following:
<The alien DNA broadcast is acting as a safety beacon, a first line of defense against other civilizations developing to a point they could pose a threat<The virus is there to peacefully eradicate an entire civilization >>732986I dont see how making the show more clique would be an improvement.
FUCK CAROL
FUCK INDIVIDUALIST HUMANITY
LONG LIVE THEM
Pluribus might just be the most logistics efficient society, its a shame its just a movie
>>732982The Borg are a stand-in for yuppie capitalists though.
being in a hivemind would he sort of like being in an extremely shitty internet. people could peep in on you at all times and vice versa. itd be exactly like serial experiments lain. if you wanted any semblance of privacy youd have to do what internet nazis do just flood the thought space q obscene shit so no one bothers you. at the same time maybe thered be an actual chance of real connection w someone. maybe thatd be worth it. no alienation for just a moment
>>733260No you don't get it, when you're in a hivemind all consciousness becomes one and all differences are sorted out.
>>733260Privacy would lose all its meaning as everyone else would be as exposed as you. You would have to knowledge and experience of all the wisest minds to help you deal with any sort of anxiety related to this.
>>733307Yes, I get it. And I still think it's bad. You're dumb.
>>733310There's no longer a you to have anxiety. We can't even really understand how it would work. But it's a fundamental change to humanity and I am not for that. I know most of you are just trolling but it's still concerning that anyone would even pretend that they'd want to be absorbed with everyone else and just move about like an ant with no distinct thoughts or personality.
You must already lack those things. Or maybe you find thinking too hard and just don't want to do it anymore.
>>733623>it's still concerning that anyone would even pretend that they'd want to be absorbed with everyone elseWould mean the end of intimacy (with yourself, with your loved one, with your "God", etc.)
>>733623You know, this criticism you have about reminding is how religion operates.
"Your will shall be remade into God's"
"You will be given a new body and soul that will agree with all God's actions"
>war, crime, poverty, animal abuse, and oppression
The idea that simply joining a hivemind can solve any of those issues is just an absurd individualist strawman, because it asserts it was individual choice that cause those issues and not material conditions.
>Crime
The overwhelming majority of crime is done out of necessity. Unless you fix someone's material conditions, they either steal the food or starve, break into that house or freeze to death, etc… A hivemind would be on par or worse than a local community internet forum.
>Poverty
What economic system does the show demonstrate them employing? If anything it would either create a "we're all the same guy anyway, so throw bodies at it" mentality, or a "I can feel the pain in your back, work harder for no additional compensation or I'll make sure you can't fix it" mentality.
>Animal abuse
Wikipedia doesn't specify if it's a human only virus, only eludes to that by using the term "humanity," which if the virus isn't exclusive to humans would be non-delineating as other animals would be for-all-intents-and-purposes human as part of the hive.
If it works on other animals. see prior point. If not, then the same economic factors present without the virus would still drive the hive to commit abuse against them.
>oppression
see the point prior to the prior point.
>>733752Shes very pleasant. I suppose shes a Palestinian in the series?
>>733758Zioza is from Morroco actually
>>733736Did you even watch the show?
ok my question is what happens when you join a hivemind and you have a disability.
i.e aphantasia and anauralia
Aphantasia is when you cant visualize anything voluntarily when you close your eyes. Anauralia is the disability to be able to hear sounds in your head. Other examples would include lack of inner dialogue. Obviously the hive mind has some communication but what if the absorbed mine is incapable of hearing the communication due to lack of inner voice. Would it just exist as some tiny part that cant hear inner instructions of the hivemind? for those with hyperphantasia, the ability to visualize voluntarily, but someone who cannot hear inner dialogue, would the hivemind send them instructions via images?
>>733887I guess it would be similar to having a lame leg or a blind eye?
>>733887depends if it's a substituting hivemind,or a compartementalizing one.
in the first one,you are basically dead as an individual,and are a ram stick for the collective,in the second one,your information would be treated,rejected by the consensus,and they would eliminate your side of those informations
>>733760oh yeah i just looked it up and her first scene is in tangier. for some reason i misremembered it as algiers
>>733850Not yet, I've put it in the queue since the premise seems interesting tho.
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