Just got caught up with this show. Everyone on reddit hates Them and all the other individuals and thinks that Carol is absolutely right. This website sides with Them, right? They ended war, crime, poverty, animal abuse, and oppression overnight, and made everyone on Earth extremely happy, compassionate, and superintelligent. Only a rich white American would see this as a downgrade.
I wish I were in that universe and retained my individuality. I could get all the heroin and coke at my doorstep for free. Too bad my femdom/bdsm fetishes might cause them to have a seizure. I wonder if them could fix my Mistress's BPD, alcoholism and meltdowns, tho.
I just watched 3 episodes and this is such a terminally amerikkkan show lmao. Literally epic randian so relateable MC against the evil gommunists and she also gets a perfect GF who she can interact with. It feels like I've read this before tbh.
But fr I wish there was a more realistic take on hive minds that presents it more positively. For example how there will always be contradiction within hive minds with different interests, the mind must be split into colonies due to limitations with the speed of information / light, how it would be a way to achieve immortality, how the society would change over time, if it would even be a 'hive mind' at all.
Nighracion woke,
>>732579Care to expand on this? What did you mean by this comment?
>>732572itd honestly just be some big cluster fuck council except now you all share the same body and thoughts. imagine the splits
its not black and white. the hivemind isnt evil it just has a biological imperative to reproduce. i think the hivemind is genuinely happy and wants to help others to also 'become' happy, but obviously people dont want to be infected
>>732572well you have psycho-pass sybil which is kinda seen as a positive despite what it is,they did make society better.
hive minds are also mostly always assimilators,instead of just being another species that puppet dead humans or something and thus doesn't care about specifically killing/absorbing humans (sentient beings like human aren't obsessed by demographic growth,it's just our material conditions that made our numbers explode after we cured infant mortality,and if a fucking hivemind of humans is still obsessed with their "biological imperatives" then what's the point of merging that many minds to still be spooked as fuck)
and the "I know we are better so we forcefully add you" is kinda overdone.
>>732535>This website sides with Them, right? Of course. Its actually existing full global communism with pacifist characteristics + they have space comrades so Posad would approve this pacifist turn of events.
Also Carol is an insufferable bitch character probably made to mock american celf centered individualism. How can anyone like her is beyond me. Rest of the individuals seem hedonistic with the exception of the South American scientist listening to radio waves.
Happy campers
>>732557>They're also very slowly committing mass-suicide by refusing to kill anything to eat Seems based to me. Population will just adjust to some level + they will develop better technologies to produce food if they want raise population for some unknown reason.
>and have resorted to funerary cannibalism as a means to survive for a little bit more.Seems efficient not to let meat go to waste.
>But sure, tell me how awesome it is to unironically be a worker-droneHive mind with shared thoughts.
>for a malevolent planetary power Seems like benelovent.
>with goals that don't fundamentally align with anything you could call "human".Better than human.
>>732673>>732678i mean its obviously a much better world (other than the fact that most people will starve) but its not really a 'society', its just one singular individual who controls each corpse as a tentacle. you wouldnt want to join because that just means dying
>>732679>that just means dyingNo it doesnt. We would share thoughts and become one.
>>732618Well yeah, I've thought about how democracy on large scales with new technology would link everyone up with internet implants in their brains to vote on everything all the time and that would functionally be a 'hive mind'. And there would still be a level of individuality and plenty of splits its just everyone would know what you're thinking. A hive mind means the best thing for the majority of people, it isn't the loss of agency it is gaining agency.
>>732679It would mean the opposite of dying since your personality would remain even after your body dies. I think that's what Carol in the show doesn't understand. Helen is literally still there.
>>732673>>732535I'm actually against 'Them' but not because of what they are. I'm against Them because it is something external imposed on humanity, it is kind of space imperialism. Societies need to resolve their own internal contradictions themselves in order to form a new system that actually suits them. This is why posadism is rubbish (beyond it being Trotskkkyite), it thinks communism can be imposed on others, when it needs to be fought for by those people. That's why Afghanistan failed for example, because the Social Imperialist Soviet Union tried to impose their own communism, rather than supporting the native communist movement.
This is obvious in the show where this imposed hivemind is actually very ill suited to surviving on Earth. This is on top of the obvious issues with individual agency. I think this one is likely a form of imperialism, because this is not what help from socialist aliens would look like. A real hivemind would be voluntary (it would literally have to be or otherwise you would be bringing in a dangerous element into the shared consciousness) and wouldn't have these weird rules.
>>732723>It is kind of space imperialismJesus christ space comrades giving humanity god like technology is imperialism to you? Posad is rolling in his grave.
>>732723>Social Imperialist Soviet Union Oh youre one of those people.
>>732724Because it doesn't work! Aliens could definitely help by giving resources to existing socialist factions, but you can't just impose it from outside, wiping out the existing contradictions.
>>732725peep the flag
I really dont think you should treat this show as a hard sci-fi. It is a character study drama about a woman alienated from rest of humanity.
>>732691>>732723the hivemind is one singular individual. it has one personality and all its vessels act more like a body part. the way that i see it, if you get absorbed your old memories and thoughts would be copied into the hivemind's 'database', but you would essentially die.
it hasnt been revealed yet, but maybe the absorbed people *could* still be 'alive', as in, they are still sentient and can feel things, but that would make it even more terrifying, as you are alive but cant do anything and are being controlled by this foreign agent forcing you to cannibalise other people
>>732726The virus is HUMAN made and space comrades only gave us the instructions. It was up to us to use and study it and when a retard gets bitten by a mouse its humanitys fault.
>>732735>but you would essentially die.Completely idealist take on hiveminds.
>>732735Also the hivemind members refer to themselves as we and not I.
>>732738>>732739how is it idealist? thats just how it works in the show. everytime the hivemind refers to a specific connected person, like the undersecretary, it says
>this individual used to be [name]implying that they arent anymore, because they died. if the vessels were still alive, theyd still be able to talk, yet that hasnt happened. the hivemind never went to the indian lady 'oh, your son is trying to say something', because the son died and his body is just a body part of one singular entity
>>732742>implying that they arent anymore, Individuals
>because they died.Not being individual =/= youre literally dead.
>>732743if they were still alive they would be able to act, think or speak. the hivemind only has access to peoples memories *prior* to the joining.
>>732744>if they were still alive they would be able to act, think or speak.People asleep are dead now too?
>the hivemind only has access to peoples memories *prior* to the joining.Source?
>>732746its just how it works in the show man. if you think its stupid or unrealistic take it up with vince gilligan not me
>>732749>it just is broNot an argument.
>>732679>>732735This.
I can see arguing for the Them collective as a thought experiment devil's advocate thing, but I don't know how anyone could possibly actually want to join it. I don't understand that about the characters in the show who do either. But that just goes to show how I see the world. I have a hard time believing people can think so differently than me when it would mean they are wrong. To want to be absorbed into the pluribus is to not want to be human. And I just cannot relate to that. So I tend not to believe it. But there are people out there who want illogical things. And they think I'M wrong.
The world is complicated.
>>732754>is to not want to be human.Finally you get it. Humans are primitive hairless apes. Pluribus is an upgrade to this sad existence.
>>732755Yes, I don't want to be more than an animal. It fuels my desires and creativity and what I do. Who guides the Pluribus? What's the goal beyond some vague "happiness" and surviving without doing any apples harm?
I don't believe you. I don't think you'd join it no matter how miserable you think you are now. You'd just cease to be yourself. The individual is gone and you're part of something bigger, but not "greater". I go my own way. Enjoy that giddy acceptance as you're being enveloped because it's the last thought you'll ever have as an individual with a perspective. You're essentially telling me you'd rather be dead right now.
Do it, faggot.
>>732755contrarians here because 4chan is down.
>>732756>Who guides the Pluribus?Collective wisdom and experience.
>What's the goal beyond some vague "happiness" This would be beyond our primitive brains but probably something bigger and more marvelous than smoking weed and rotting on a sofa watching cartoons.
>and surviving without doing any apples harm?One of their noble attributes.
>>732757I prefer the term dialectician. Also not a big fan of 4cuck.
>>732755>>732756You're bringing it to the extremes. Everyone is still alive, if you watched the show you would see that. All the other 'survivors' interact with their family like normal because they are still there. It isn't inhuman at all, they are just organising the economy more efficiently by abandoning private property (an objectively based thing).
>>732763They don't interact with their family as normal at all.
The shut-in dude in South America said his mom was a bitch. It's not the real person, it's the plurb's representative. It's all a scam. Why can't you see that?
>>732761You must be a fruitarian. How hilarious.
>>732770>It's all a scam.Your lack of faith disturbs me.
>>732763the show made it clear that its not the actual family, like how carol points out that the indian boy also happens to be a perfect gynecologist because its just the hivemind using his body
>>732773also, the level of coordination that the hivemind has would be simply impossible if it were multiple connected humans. some people would disagree with an order and would not comply, some people would be slower and less coordinated, people would move in different ways that makes it clear that each one is a distinct individual, but everytime we see the hivemind focusing on one activity, it moves as one entity
>>732763Over 800 million eaters died during the drone invasion. And more of them dies when someone freaks out. Not that it is a bad thing tho.
>>732557I will admit it lowered my opinion of Them a lot when They revealed They won't "kill" plants. Not killing animals or fish or bugs is kind of based but you won't even harvest some god damn wheat? The cannibalism is fine since that's just efficient. Still, scientists in the real world have already created butter out of nothing but air and sunlight, so I feel like a seven billion person hivemind could invent a synthetic food source for everyone given ten years, given that they have a practically unlimited supply of skilled labor-power to dedicate to the task. But it's definitely a huge point against Them that They won't kill plants. Not even jainism forbids that.
>>732735The other individuals said they all asked Them what it felt like to be part of the hivemind, and They said it felt "wonderful". We know They never lie, so it's canonically true that it's not secretly awful to be joined into the hivemind.
>>732797It's not very logical. I suspect something is not as it seems. Just because they can't lie doesn't mean there's something they don't yet know. Whatever the beam was and wherever it came from, there may be more to be revealed. I'm sure of it.
Wouldn't it be cool if Vince gave us an unhappy ending where they all just get absorbed? And maybe Carol will be trapped in there all alone, still separately conscious. Like in Being John Malkovich.
That would fucking suck.
The main character is intensely unlikeable and just kinda shitty. I think her girlfriend self terminated after joining the hive mind just to escape her and her relentless bitching.
>>732804Her being a schizo trying to uncover a NWO conspiracy which doesnt exists is actually great.
>>732801Carol being alone and miserable forever would be a happy ending because it's exactly what she wants.
i cant believe this back and forth even exists. this isnt a philosophical debate, you guys are just misinterpreting the shows mechanics
>>732811The shows mechanics are inconsistent anyways, the hive used subterfuge and coercion during their conquest but suddenly they care about muh human rights and can't lie. Sure buddy
>>732811Some level of individuality clearly exists, you can see it in differences in mannerism of individual hive members, but they all act according to single will.
>>732813The show made it clear their "rules" are more like sets of competing priorities. They wont pluck an apple to feed an individual, but they will kill 800 million people to preserve the collective.
>>732761>Smoking weed>Watching cartoons>It's badWhy is weed and cartoons still stigmatized?
Booze and televised sports are still encouraged.
>>732843I love weed. I'm not too into cartoons though as an adult. I still catch the Simpsons sometimes. Those Ghibli movies are okay once in a while if I'm in a very specific mood.
Never understood the whole anime obsession thing though. Seems like very strange people are into all that.
>>732866If you cannot understand the "anime obsession" and think only "weirdos" are into it, then explain why so many adults obsess over western cartoons like Looney Toons, South Park, etc
>>732867>so many adults obsess over western cartoons like Looney Toonslol fucking where. are you 80
>>732869You're being solipsistic rn and I don't have time to argue with you
Carol called Stalin a mass murderer. She deserves to suffer.
>>732867Looney Tunes is legitimately funny
>>732816They won't pluck an apple but they will maintain and provide nuclear weapons to an individual bent on using them.
>>732572>It feels like I've read this before tbh. It was an episode of rick and morty.
>>732813>>732816i dont think theres individuality because so far there hasnt been any evidence of it, and it doesnt look like vince is taking the show in that direction
as for the hiveminds internal rules, i think theyre pretty consistent, even if they make no sense to a human
>>732874Yea I know but that anon was getting a stuck up against anime.
Anyways, if you had to choose between Looney Tunes or Disney classic cartoons?
>>732877Maybe the real reason a hive mind such as that is so efficient is because it rids itself of the contradictions that individuality brings and therefore doesn't make sense to us
>>732867I don't understand those people either. But there aren't fetishes associated with those other things. What's to obsess over? Beyond watching South Park as a sitcom and appreciating Looney Tunes, I don't think there are many people like that. I bet Disney is more popular. And those people, if adults, are weirdos too. But they probably aren't isolated sexual deviants. Anime just has that taint to it. And you all know why.
>>732886If you think anime is the only cartoon medium with sexual deviants you're willfully naive.
>>732877What doesnt make sense to you about its rules?
>>732572> For example how there will always be contradiction within hive minds with different interests, the mind must be split into colonies due to limitations with the speed of information / lightI think a planet size hivemind would be able to work around the physical limits of information transfer, sort of like how we are able to work around it and play games online despite latency through literal tricknology
>>732891well, the fruit shit. its consistent given its rule that it cant harm any life, but it doesnt make sense from our perspective
Comparing the free association of producers aka communism to a hivemind is such a retarded thing to do, whether you're in favor of it or not.
>>732572>there will always be contradiction within hive minds with different interests, the mind must be split into coloniesPretty much how human society currently works.
>>732896It does make sense, it is pre-programmed instinctual drive, no different from instincts of any other organism.
People here will support hive mind until you thank them for the gold kind stranger
>>732881Looney Tunes hands down
>>732691least obvious SEELE glowie shilling Human instrumentality
>>732962Human instrumentality means the rejection of the evil man-god and return to the Earth godess who was traditionally enslaved through marriage. That's why its based.
The only issue with human instrumentality (and the reason I wouldn't support it) is that the LCL sea does not have the capacity to build industry, meaning it is limited. If the LCL sea could act like a slime monster building space ships and drones and dyson spheres and incorporating aliens into the soul merge and then expanding like a grey goo until all of the universe is alive and all of the universe is one, that would be really based.
>>732572Star Trek TNG tackled concepts like that with some of their Borg episodes.
>>732731>I really dont think you should treat this show as a hard sci-fi. It is a character study drama about a woman alienated from rest of humanity.So far you are right but I think it could be salvaged if the show did the following:
<The alien DNA broadcast is acting as a safety beacon, a first line of defense against other civilizations developing to a point they could pose a threat<The virus is there to peacefully eradicate an entire civilization >>732986I dont see how making the show more clique would be an improvement.
FUCK CAROL
FUCK INDIVIDUALIST HUMANITY
LONG LIVE THEM
Pluribus might just be the most logistics efficient society, its a shame its just a movie
>>732982The Borg are a stand-in for yuppie capitalists though.
being in a hivemind would he sort of like being in an extremely shitty internet. people could peep in on you at all times and vice versa. itd be exactly like serial experiments lain. if you wanted any semblance of privacy youd have to do what internet nazis do just flood the thought space q obscene shit so no one bothers you. at the same time maybe thered be an actual chance of real connection w someone. maybe thatd be worth it. no alienation for just a moment
>>733260No you don't get it, when you're in a hivemind all consciousness becomes one and all differences are sorted out.
>>733260Privacy would lose all its meaning as everyone else would be as exposed as you. You would have to knowledge and experience of all the wisest minds to help you deal with any sort of anxiety related to this.
>>733307Yes, I get it. And I still think it's bad. You're dumb.
>>733310There's no longer a you to have anxiety. We can't even really understand how it would work. But it's a fundamental change to humanity and I am not for that. I know most of you are just trolling but it's still concerning that anyone would even pretend that they'd want to be absorbed with everyone else and just move about like an ant with no distinct thoughts or personality.
You must already lack those things. Or maybe you find thinking too hard and just don't want to do it anymore.
>>733623>it's still concerning that anyone would even pretend that they'd want to be absorbed with everyone elseWould mean the end of intimacy (with yourself, with your loved one, with your "God", etc.)
>>733623You know, this criticism you have about reminding is how religion operates.
"Your will shall be remade into God's"
"You will be given a new body and soul that will agree with all God's actions"
>war, crime, poverty, animal abuse, and oppression
The idea that simply joining a hivemind can solve any of those issues is just an absurd individualist strawman, because it asserts it was individual choice that cause those issues and not material conditions.
>Crime
The overwhelming majority of crime is done out of necessity. Unless you fix someone's material conditions, they either steal the food or starve, break into that house or freeze to death, etc… A hivemind would be on par or worse than a local community internet forum.
>Poverty
What economic system does the show demonstrate them employing? If anything it would either create a "we're all the same guy anyway, so throw bodies at it" mentality, or a "I can feel the pain in your back, work harder for no additional compensation or I'll make sure you can't fix it" mentality.
>Animal abuse
Wikipedia doesn't specify if it's a human only virus, only eludes to that by using the term "humanity," which if the virus isn't exclusive to humans would be non-delineating as other animals would be for-all-intents-and-purposes human as part of the hive.
If it works on other animals. see prior point. If not, then the same economic factors present without the virus would still drive the hive to commit abuse against them.
>oppression
see the point prior to the prior point.
>>733752Shes very pleasant. I suppose shes a Palestinian in the series?
>>733758Zioza is from Morroco actually
>>733736Did you even watch the show?
ok my question is what happens when you join a hivemind and you have a disability.
i.e aphantasia and anauralia
Aphantasia is when you cant visualize anything voluntarily when you close your eyes. Anauralia is the disability to be able to hear sounds in your head. Other examples would include lack of inner dialogue. Obviously the hive mind has some communication but what if the absorbed mine is incapable of hearing the communication due to lack of inner voice. Would it just exist as some tiny part that cant hear inner instructions of the hivemind? for those with hyperphantasia, the ability to visualize voluntarily, but someone who cannot hear inner dialogue, would the hivemind send them instructions via images?
>>733887I guess it would be similar to having a lame leg or a blind eye?
>>733887depends if it's a substituting hivemind,or a compartementalizing one.
in the first one,you are basically dead as an individual,and are a ram stick for the collective,in the second one,your information would be treated,rejected by the consensus,and they would eliminate your side of those informations
>>733760oh yeah i just looked it up and her first scene is in tangier. for some reason i misremembered it as algiers
>>733850Not yet, I've put it in the queue since the premise seems interesting tho.
did you guys watch the last episode? god i feel so bad for carol
>>732535>Everyone on reddit hates Them and all the other individuals and thinks that Carol is absolutely right.i just started watching this and thought theres no way shes not supposed to be a sympathetic character ? right? shes just constantly being a bitch not just to them but even her partner
but if they're cheering her on, its like /pol/ chinletts cheering on batemen killing homless guys in american psycho and thinking he's baseD? and perhaps that says as much about redditors as it does /pol/ chinletts.
>>734521I felt more like this was the episode she is finally letting go of her grief. The ending was very cute. Just married
Wonder what the south american chud will do when he realises the woman who he is traveling across the world to meet is consorting with demons.
is the hivemind supposed to be a representation of AI?
Caroll is a writer of slop novels.
she wants things to go back to the way they were. she cant find a way forwards in this new existence while the others have adapted, or Mr Mauritania is using them for his own business.
they are always friendly like chat bots and deepseek is always trying to please.
When will /leftypol/ finally admit that a hivemind with space comrades is the highest and purest form of communism?
>>734839You seem to be projecting due to AI scare.
>>734862There is only one problem with it so far - they don't want to kill so they are vulnerable. The real movement doesn't stop the killings.
>>734521She was really annoying for most of the episode, with that ending hopefully she learns to be nice to them.
>>734870Why kill when you can infect your opposition and absorb them?
>>734893They can't even pick an apple from a tree because they consider that killing so they're starving themselves to death.
>>734903Most but not all. Dead ones get esten and resorce consumption goes down which is positive for this new society.
>>734905That's not sustainable, their population is plummeting. The entire reason they reached this conclusion is to make up a compromise with the entire species' contradictions of vegans vs carnivores and reached this retarded suicidal pacifism.
>>734914Their diet is wholly scavenger and inorganic produce. The latter of which makes no sense on the perspective of not harming any life since inorganic produce requires machine operations which require releasing harmful output into the atmosphere and consequentially directly harming life. There is also the question of how they handle diseases and all as well as to what scale they value or consider life, since even by living they are killing life on a microorganic scale. Too much bullshit got into their hive.
>>734914They live off milk and windfall. Apple trees and cattle are not going anywhere but consumers are and population stabilizes. Its rather tiresome to explain basic shit like this to you.
>>734927You think the population will stabilize when it gets to a certain point, but one plague or nature-born virus to mess up the crops and they're done for.
>>734934Who even knows what their hippie response to a virus is, since life is never properly quantified, every living organism harms life in some form or another, they are fine with accidently harming life but are like the buddhist retards Mao liberated in Tibet who refused to build structures because they were afraid of harming the worms they believed to be people incarnate.
>>734934I would imagine they a variety of plants to feed from instead of esting just one variety. Cattle could be a problem but even this can be managed with qurantine and fast communication. This is like explaining to a child.
>>734940They're just scavengers handicapping themselves for no reason, you can't explain it since it boils down to moralizing nosense that can't properly quantify life.
>>734927>Its rather tiresome to explain basic shit like this to you.>This is like explaining to a child.ChatGPT or minor?
>>734941Their pacifism just make them more neat and more admirable. Instead of hostile violent takeover they just infect everyone and live peacefully with nature. The previous human population was committing collective suicide by overexploiting non-renewable resources and causing climate change making most of the planet uninhabitable. They dont have this problem as population will adjust to resorces.
>>734945They're definitely better than the previous human population, but they're still not optimally utilitarian. Do they have a directive or its just reckless sustainability until the time comes for them to die along with the Earth? Will they succumb or advance and expand? It doesn't seem like they have a directive other than to fuck around and await death much like the majority of the previous human population. Maybe if they get a directive and prioritize their own survival rather than moralistic sustainability it would be optimal, but they cannot face another sapient threat.
>>734945Glownonymous is right, one bad cyclone or volcanic eruption and tens of millions of them will just die off unnecessarily because they can't adjust to rapid changes in circumstances.
>>734945>letting wolves eat you is admirableFollow your heroes
>>734978They didn't conquer planet earth, they lived on it from the get go.
>>734977The seven hour war would be a seven second war with They's Earth.
>>734977Nuclear bomb vs coughing baby
>>734968Just build a fence dude.
>>734863nah, the hivemind speaks very similarly to a LLM, i think theres some intentionality there
>>735110You have to cut down trees for lunber. Fence is illegal now. Wolf food is mandatory
It was the best of times, it was the plurbst of times.
>>736890Trve, I said based and then we laughed with my gf. It was also funny when Manousos tries to use money and debt to desperately keep the old world ways like a NEPman stumbling onto the anarchist commune.
>>736890Honestly, I would hate to be part of the hivemind but that was kind of cool.
this show turned me off from being a communist
>>736919Join the hive, bitch
>>736906Being part of a hive mind would be cool when you're standing up to bullies or trying to score with a bad bitch.
>>736890Communism in the 21st century is so weak, the anti communist propaganda depicts us as incompetent pacifists. 1984 was a compliment compared to this.
>>736896If your anarcho communes can't survive you have an inferior political ideology.
Slop
>>737047The avatars for capitalism seem equally incompetent tbh.
>>736702He looks like do not redeem saar
>>736906I'd take the combine any time over this wimpy hive
>>736919The combine are communist (the real movement against the present state of things), ((( They ))) are reactionary stagnators wasting precious time and resources not colonizing space and starving out of suicidal pacifism. No true communist ever cared about morals or ethics. Communism is like an infinite genocide on all that stands in the way of real development.
They are fine. The Combine are definitely communist in some capacity but they are also social-imperialist and likely lead by a non-socialist clique. They do not apply proper Maoist strategy to the revolution. They try to impose the revolution from outside, which will never work since the people themselves need to accept the revolution. That is why there was a reactionary rebellion against the combine, because they did not apply dialectial materialism, Marxism, and Maoism correctly. They apply dialectics better.
>>737077The combine needed to do this to every human or they are just leaving contradictions unresolved, that was the major universal union failiure.
I dont know why nerds keep bringing up Half-Life in this thread, Combine doesnt have collective intelligence, they just love showing cybernetics into everything.
Anyway, I feel the pacing of the show is improving, in early episodes I ended up skipping through scenes because the show has bad habit of dragging shots too much, but not once in the last one.
People on reddit keep taking about how pluribus is emotionally manipulating Carol, which seems like a very stupid reading of the material, they have been portrayed as sensitive and emotional collective, genuinely wishing to make everyone happy. Like when it talks how great her trashy novel is, that is not a lie, it wants to get closer to Carol, to know her, her thoughs, her writing are interesting to them.
>>737086>I dont know why nerds keep bringing up Half-Life in this thread, Combine doesnt have collective intelligence, they just love showing cybernetics into everything.feel the same way with commies here thinking its a commentary on capitalism v socialism
>People on reddit keep taking about how pluribus is emotionally manipulating Carol, which seems like a very stupid reading of the material, they have been portrayed as sensitive and emotional collective, genuinely wishing to make everyone happy. Like when it talks how great her trashy novel is, that is not a lie, it wants to get closer to Carol, to know her, her thoughs, her writing are interesting to them.agree somewhat, i think the hive is a lot more "innocent" than people assume, as in, it genuinely wants to make Carol happy, but also, it wants to distract her from her goal of finding a cure
>>737087>but also, it wants to distract her from her goal of finding a cureYeah, but wishing for all survivors to join them is not some underhanded deception, but explicit goal they shared openly. Before it turned out they would need to perform invasive operation to gather bone marrow, they did inform Carol they will turn her whether or not she consents.
>>737097Oh they definetly are working on turning her. They already have what they need and are only buying time. In one of the flashbacks Carol makes an offhand comment about having her egg cells frozen.
>no private property
>everyone living communally because its efficient
>everyone sharing thoughts and being happy
<nooo joining them is literally worse than death
Absolute state of humanity chauvinists.
>>737468They aren’t humanitarian chauvinists.
They’re INDIVIDUALISTS.
Huge difference
They wouldn’t spare a second to help out a fellow human being
>>737468But they don't do anything with that new efficiency, no art, no new stories to tell, nothing. It's ultimately a worthless existence.
>>737492Why does everything always have to be about “creating a legacy”?
Do you assume that other species of animals have meaningless existence just because they don’t create art or stories to be passed down for posterity?
>>737501yes, that's why I have no qualms about eating them
>>737492This is exactly example of human chauvinism. Why do you say they have no creativity or purpose when clearly they do. They have goals, do science, try to solve problems of immune individuals, food shortage, figure out how joining actually works, build a giant space transmitter, just to name things explicitely brought up in the show.
>>737523All except one of these actions are related to sustaining and spreading the disease. They wouldn't even have a single thought beyond that, if it weren't for the uninfected.
>>737492They were fascinated by art
slop done by the main Karen. But yes it seems like they are more focused on building the antenna as their grand project. What comes after that is a mystery.
>>737468like 99% of people wouldnt want to join because we just prefer to be individuals. doesnt matter how efficient it is if its all meaningless
>>737548This.
Irony is though, the people who are against hive minds will complain about technology making people more isolated/lonely when people were self-segregated before the first television set
>>738551>it happened to breaking bad, better call saulway to out yourself as a midwit. did you skip the therapy scenes in sopranos too lmao
>>738551Is this about the latest episode that most people hated? Episode had a grieving widow try and fool herself into believing she didn't need human connection to the point she nearly killed herself meanwhile the one person she inspired is trekking through one of the most inhospitable places on earth to see her and apparently that's "boring".
It's kinda funny how much people want this show to be a mystery box a la Severance and miss out on a really moving treatise on grief and the inability to comprehend an ever changing world.
>>738552Think they genuinely cracked the code with Mike in early BCS, watching him do absolutely nothing for minutes on end and somehow make it the most compelling shit ever is some of the most memorable stuff in those earlier seasons.
>>738566>Is this about the latest episode that most people hated?Did they? I saw pretty much exclusively positive reactions.
>>738551>until interest in the show dies down at which point the show will be clumsily concluded. it happened to breaking bad, better call saulYou almost got me with this bait, but you pushed it too far near the end.
its a story about treatlerism but you guys arent ready for that conversation. manousous is a based schizo who can see through the BS
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