First As Farce, Second As Tragedy
Thread in which we discuss the latest Burger-Taco war
Bro, they're letting you have the spreadsheets. They need you to have the spreadsheets. Because while you're posting charts of GDP PPP and high-speed rail mileage, the bombs are falling on your allies, your markets are getting extracted, and your "civilizational alternative" is busy building ghost cities and politely asking its billionaires not to disappear this week.
"Assraped by China"? Let's audit that LARP:
Militarily: Your navy is a coastal defense force that gets tailed by a single US destroyer and pisses itself. Your "carriers" are floating jokes. Your one ally with nukes just got its program turned into a glass parking lot and you did nothing. Not a sanction. Not a warning shot. Just a strongly worded letter to the UN. So much for "overmatch."
Financially: "Dedollarization" is a meme you tell African debt slaves as you repo their ports. Your currency is a controlled substance, your bonds are collapsing, and your "Belt and Road" is a spaghetti strand of debt traps that makes the IMF look like a charity. The West invented that game. You're just playing it badly, and everyone knows you're the mark.
Culturally: Your "civilizational state" is a TikTok filter over a surveillance panopticon so brittle it censors the word "pig." The "Westoxification" you sneer at is what every one of your elites wants for their kids: Ivy League schools, California real estate, and a passport to anywhere but here. You're not conquering us, you're begging to be let into our clubhouse while pretending you built a better one.
Strategically: You're surrounded. Quad. AUKUS. NATO with a Pacific fetish. Your "wolf warrior" diplomats are a global punchline, and every move you make just tightens the noose. You watched Russia get turned into a gas station with missiles and thought "Yes, this is the model."
So please, keep posting your infographics. Keep measuring your victory in tons of steel and miles of track. Let the dopamine hit of a favorable trade statistic sustain you.
Because while you're staring at the spreadsheet, the drone feeds are being watched elsewhere. The sanctions are being drafted elsewhere. The flight paths of the B-21 Raiders are being plotted elsewhere.
Your "assraping" is a managed decline. A controlled burn. They're letting you win the battles they don't care about, so you don't notice you've already lost the war.
The Multipolar World was a permission slip the Unipolar Hegemon handed out so it could find all the dissidents in one place. Check the address on that slip, tankie. The van is outside.
Get in the van. Historical materialism is driving.
they just walked in and stole the president in 3 hours
what's our response
>Let's kill all the lawyers
<Shakespeare, Henry VI
>inb4 Grug starts throwing shit from armchair again
So what happens now? They got maduro. How important is he? Will venezuela continue or its such a fuck up that basically they will surrender?
Thank God Amerikka intervened again to defend corporate interests yet again, those poor starving CEOs at oil companies were truly suffering. Corpocucked nation
>>742001It's over, maybe some general strikes against the new regime, but thats it
>>742001I didn’t hear no bell
like what was the point? the US dosent really have the authority to impose anybody, at least not yet, what stops the military of Venezuela to just set up a new president?
>>741997BRICS won't learn the right lesson from this. Zelensky will still be walking around thumbing his nose at the Kremlin wimps. China will still be doing 25,000 harmless drills a year around Taiwan that the US doesn't care about.
Sometimes I think that life would be so much better as a Westoid neocon than having to sit around watching weakies and appeasers.
w-w-wait, why isn't vush or hasan or any of my other handsome daddies talking about this?? this is important news….
>>741997there was nothing we could do, trump was a made guy and maduro wasn't
>>742001If the way this played out is Delta Force just walked into Maduro’s residence, arrested him and could escape via airplane, then that suggests there’s forces co-operating with the US at the highest levels of the Venezuelan state. The concurrent bombings were likely to create panic and confusion for any loyalists but since I don’t any evidence that the US planes were ever targeted with AA, I doubt there’s much in the way of loyalists.
Unfortunately, the US’s pitch of offering death OR prosperity has that effect. The promise of death and destruction is believable enough that the slim chance the US *might* be a positive economic force becomes a no brainer to accept. It takes revolutionary fervour to see an third alternative to the US’s offer of death or democracy.
>>2623820
sometimes you need a stalemate so big capital doesn't undo all your progress in a few decades like a kid kicking a sandcastle
Nukes are overrated. It's not like the countries who have them lack the means to wipe out entire countries anyway. International law is retarded.
>>742014Agreed nukes are a paper tiger
>>2623820
lmao, the existance of nukes freezed the progress of history.
>>742008>be russia>have the largest, deadliest, most advanced, most versatile nuclear arsenal on the planet>sit back and watch America target your refineries, your ships, your power plants, your nuclear triad, and even your presidentWhat will nukes achieve, again?
>>741996Total Gringo Rape
>be north korea
>AES paradise
>have nukes
>"capitalist penetration" happens anyway
almost like socialism in one household is anti-materialist or something
>>2623831
do nothing and wait for the international proletariat become self conscious and rebel at the same time, that is !
>>741997if you are in the west, literally what you ever do: nothing.
>not a single american soldier killed
>>742019As if you wouldn’t have counter-revolutionary forces under permanent revolution
>>742019>nukes would stop everything, even other methods of invasionno one said that, but no one is gonna play coy like they did with Libya.
>>742026RT Trumpism is cringe. Russians have zero self-respect. RT may as well be The Moscow Times.
>>742027>>742026>implying is actually RT.yeah, you guys deserve a fell for it award.
>>742029What are you blabbering about?
is this basically the perfect us invasion scenario?
>maduro captured instead of being made a martyr
>no us soldiers killed in massive operation taking out all of vnzl's air defenses
>everything done in a couple of hours
>no oil facilities, sites or infrastructure damaged
>no civs killed
>vp will order new elections as if nothing happaned and corina machado will be elected in a landslide
>>742030illiterate, much?
>>742033It's the official Twitter account for RT, you deadbeat.
>>742034sure, it is. and I am the phantom of the opera.
What will they do with Maduro? What if they executed Maduro?
>>742032>vp will order new elections as if nothing happaned and corina machado will be elected in a landslide Why would they do that?
>>742036supposedly they are going to put him on show trial
>>742035You stupid motherfucker.
RT homepage:
https://www.rt.com/Top-right Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/RT_comkys at once, you dumb fucker
>>742037because they just saw the us spirit out maduro with zero consequences for them while taking out the country's defenses
>>742032There might be further retaliation against invading forces, but otherwise yes. This does not spell well for the rest of LatAm. The dying empire remains unimpeded in its ravenous feasting.
>>742037Because they are already compromised and in on it.
>>742032there's already reported civilian casualties, and there's no indication they actually destroyed all of venezuela's air defense assets
Do you defend Vuvuzela simply in opposition to the US, or do you believe they're a "good country"?
There's a lot of rhetoric on the web about how Marudo good, Marudo bad, venezuela socialist, venezuela not real socialist, but it just seems like bullshit debatebro shit. AFAC, it might as well be any other LATAM country. It's booj infighting, but regardless, denying resources to the US empire is cool.
So tell me… What now? Does US expect whole of venezuela to just cuck out and fold like all the pawns in a chess match when the king is taken? How and who do they expect to have boots on the ground to enforce anything. I feel like the best US scenario here is a civil war in venezuela and the silver lining is that China/Russia can't have it and cuba is left alone. The whole thing feels like a mindless neocon dick waving.
>>2623883
Meant to say "new food" XD Why can't I delete this???
Embarrassing mistake
Fog of war ATM.
>>742045Why does Maduro need to be perfect for me to condemn US imperialism? At least whatever is bad about Venezuela stays in Venezuela.
>>742046>Does US expect whole of venezuela to just cuck out and fold like all the pawns in a chess match when the king is taken? Pretty much
>>742046Maybe I'm just trying to cope but I refuse to believe they'll take this lying down. I hope the Venezuelan military is on high alert and those militias are being mobilized ahead of whatever the pedophile ruling class has planned next.
>>742047Sorry but I have to rape you now
Of course, my name got removed again.
>>742047 Fucking kill me>>741997>what's our responsemine was looking at giraffe penis.
they look much better sheathed.
>Former Venezuelan general Cliver Antonio Alcalá Cordones, currently serving a 21-year prison sentence in the United States, claims in a letter to President Donald Trump that Nicolás Maduro’s regime is effectively run not by the strongman himself but by two of his closest allies: siblings Jorge and Delcy Rodríguez.Delcy is the current VP
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article313527079.html#storylink=cpy >Trump tells Fox News he watched the overnight capture of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife "literally like I was watching a television show".
>"If you would've seen the speed, the violence, it was an amazing thing," Trump says.
So Trump live in… 50 minutes?
>>2623894
:lasagne:
Mexico:
>The Government of Mexico strongly condemns and rejects the military actions carried out unilaterally in recent hours by armed forces of the United States of America against targets in the territory of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, in clear violation of Article 2 of the Charter of the United Nations (UN).Argentina:
>FREEDOM ADVANCES LONG LIVE FREEDOM DAMN IThttps://xcancel.com/JMilei/status/2007385057275805729>>742055decapitation strike that leaves minister of defence and vice president alive, both of whom have immediately declared war on you
>>742046>Does US expect whole of venezuela to just cuck out and fold like all the pawns in a chess match when the king is taken?This is exactly what will happen.
Venezuelan communist party status?
>>2623894
they didn't give it for free. don't you have a meeting in langley to hear about your orange clown successful act of war? go clean your butt-butt, you are having diarrheic orgasm all over the place.
>>742060Only people that know spanish know just how reactionary argies are, its genuinely Israel tier except more amoral (I'm serious)
Two Hundred Year American World Order 1945-2145
>>2623913
😲😲😲 the horror 😲😲😲 people who wants fair trade, fair exchange of goods, de-colonizing and de-imperialize deserve commendation.
>>742065all they do is talk about how white and western they are and how everyone else, specially muslims, mexicans and africans are subhumans
>>742060>Long live the freedom of the billionaire class's ability to loot your country and rape your children.Milei getting the ᴉuᴉlossnW treatment will be too kind.
>>742066Too unstable for that. This is just dragging others down with the sinking ship.
>>742061Apparently Delcy Rodríguez is in Moscow rn lol
>>742046>So tell me… What now? Does US expect whole of venezuela to just cuck out and fold like all the pawns in a chess match when the king is taken?yeah thats what trump thinks will happen
basically the burger version of "We only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down"
>>742055>>742061I'm telling you, if Venezuela comes away stronger from this than before somehow, because the Burgers removed an anti-imperialist for a more competent anti-imperialist, it'd be the funniest thing ever.
>>742007That's not what anon asked at all. Try to read other people's comments with more attention and good faith from now on.
>>2623820
Nuclear war is going to be inevitable in the battle for socialism, we just have to prepare for it. Really nuclear strikes aren't as bad as people say. Just turn the soil over and you can still grow things. At the same time tanks can be rolling into the burnt remains of U$ cities, gunning down any remaining resitance.
Nukes would be catastrophic for the Imperialist countries (including Russia China etc.). They will be survivable for socialist ones. Mao understood this.
>>2623913
Your recent posts have been silly. I hope you're aware of that.
The second American Golden Century is here. China can only cope and seethe with their toothless military exercises. Only the US has the balls to take over it's neighbors, all China can do with Taipei is try and "look scary", with their exercises. They will never invade let alone try and even influence their government. How funny that the nation that talked about paper tigers is a paper tiger itself.
>>742072Venezuela will cuck out. They have, there is no military resistance.
>>2623924
no surprise that you have the reading comprehension of a toddler.
denying as in not giving it for free, yes, it was denied.
>>742080The mods have been slacking off like crazy lately. I think there's been like two sharty raids within a week.
>>742078The Imperialists in China are paper tigers. The people are not, and we will soon see how the qualitative progress made in the GPCR will whip its tail around to pierce the imperialist roader headquarters.
>>742078There will be no “golden American century” unless you’re talking about the amount of piss that will be upon its grave. America is doomed to fall whether it likes it or not
>>742072People had this cope about Syria, and next thing you know, the new president of Syria is shaking hands with the president of Russia.
>>742079How can you resist, when the enemy did quick kidnapping and immediately ran off?
If the Venezuelan government doesn't fall, the Burgers will have to invade eventually to get the oil, the main objective.
We know this is the last thing they want to do if they can help it, because there would be a huge chance, they'd end up in a quagmire where they may end up losing anyway.
>>742076I'm saying this btw because I think nuclear war would only happen right at the end of the global war for socialism and at that point the revolutionaries will have far more land, so when the reactionaries nuke everything they won't be able to do as much damage as carpet nuking the U$ and the reactionaries remaining in £urope and possibly East Asia would do. The people have the power. The nuke kills the elite formations, it cannot kill the masses.
>>742079that's factually untrue. in VTV you can litearlly watch, every governor, every mayor, every deputy, all accompanied with the military, commanders, generals, etc. coming out in support of the Bolivarian revolution. they are not backing down.
>>742017>>be russia>>have the largest, deadliest, most advanced, most versatile nuclear arsenal on the planet>>sit back and watch America target your refineries, your ships, your power plants, your nuclear triad, and even your president>What will nukes achieve, again?Anyone? I ask this whenever I hear about the nuke 'solution' and never get a response.
>>742080many have been saying this…
>>742062Why do we have these faggots on this board? This place has never been worth shilling,
>>742073back in venezuela? where are you seeing that?
Somebody post a reliable twitter feed with updates
>Claims to be anti-Venezuelan migration into the US
>Kidnaps Venezuelan citizen and brings him into the country
How will MAGA-tards defend Trump for this blatant betrayal?
trump hinted the same with Mexico:
>The president of Mexico is a good woman, but she's not running the country. The cartels are tunning Mexico. We are going to have to do something about them.
no stopping now, huh.
Trump has announced Erika Kirk will take over as the new President of Venezuela
>>742085You sound very very deluded to believe this.
>>742097Not after this little power high
>>742081>denying someone a thing is when you sell it to themhahahaha
>>742094>>742094find me a credible report that she recently was visiting Moscow. every time she visited, was with a public appearance.
>>742087>How can you resistGo after the Juan Guaidós, and the Corina Machados. Create a culture of fear, and crackdown on the active comprador bourgeois supporters of the united states. Tighten control over the economy, and the mass media, mobilize the masses. That's how Venezuela should respond, and defend itself.
>>742099The feeling is mutual
>>742101Unlimited genocide on first world journalists
reading through argentine twitter is really making me hate thosr people. buenos aires needs to nuked 5 times over.
>>742101Are they implicitly admitting that inciting a government overthrow through kidnapping Maduro failed? Pretty sure they hoped that would trigger some anti-gov revolts.
PISS NO
WAR YES
>>742102what did the US wanted?
free oil.
what they receive?
to pay for oil.
are you stupid?
>>742101>>742108>Are they implicitly admitting that inciting a government overthrow through kidnapping Maduro failed?Good if true.
>>742095Twitter feeds are useless, quite frankly.
Either
1) they're good and focused but slow as fuck on reporting the news…
or
2) they're fast with updates but the Twitter account is run by some chud who spams out chud shit in between updates… or run by someone with a short fuse who spams out bickering with random losers
Can an anon fill me in, i've been busy, first time i'm hearing of any of this. :(
30mn util the press conf
https://tv.leftypol.org/Can someone get on, get the channels up and going? Most MSM are reporting on Venzuela for every hour now.
>>742113US nabbed Maudro and bombed defenses in under three hours
If Maduro is brought to trial he needs to defend himself like Dimitrov at Leipzig
>crackdown now!
The bolivarians had 20 years to destroy the chuds, enslave their bourgeoisie and give the proletariat its dictatorahip, they did nothing because they are sucdems and now they get cucked by fascists like litteraly every other actually existing socdem regime in history
Marxist analysis of upcoming consequences of this insane aggression from the Burgerscum?
the lack of response by the venezuelan military is making me understand gonzalites…
>>742104Good suggestions. I agree. Now is the time to establish communist death squads, and hunt down collaborators and fascists within Venezuela. Maduro alledgedly had loyalists armed before his kidnapping.
Red Terror, NOW! >>742124what are they going to do? tie themselves to an arrow and nuke florida?
The crowning legacy of the pink tide in latam was defanging and depoliticizing the working class.
Another proof that without nuclear weapons you can't even have the faintest of social democracies.
>>742125the problems is the venezuelan regime arent communists
>>742099Seems very deluded to think US will succeed with venezuela beside killing a lot of venezuelans.
>>742131Yeah…
Lets see how things go. Will people be galvanised or cuck out as usual?
>>742134And what burgers are gonna do about this?
Nothing.
A lot of NAFO retards are bitching at Kallas on Twitter for being a US lapdog over this Maduro move, saying that she's given Putin the excuse he needs to "keep violating international laws"…
There's a great opportunity here to whack Zelensky, but of course, it's a BRICS state we're talking about…
>>742136to show presence and to make people understand that the political institutions and persons are there, that the head of state has support of other political actors, and there's no division. it's very clear.
>>742127Can't they take down a ship or something? Allowing burgers to have the initiative all the time is stupid.
>>742140Bruh, he's already started giving the US all the prisoner releases it wants. I don't blame him for doubting the seriousness of Russia and wanting to hedge a little, quite frankly.
>>742121A victory in terms of aesthetics of victory for Trump and the neocons. If Venezuela holds Bolivarian positions will strengthen and shit will spectacularly backfire on the US in terms of prestige. Everybody will trust US less even if this "works out" in the terms of starting a civil war in Venezuela.
>>742142and get the full excuse for a full-scale invasion? yeah, that's a death wish.
When will mamdani declare support for Venezuela
>>742142its been hours, from what we know there's already been damage to us helicopters involved in the raid, and a full military response would take days to plan, especially considering they're simultaneously mobilizing reserves
>>742141I meant wtf was the point of yanking Maduro and leaving the rest of the leadership untouched. Rally around the flag effect is very real, if regime change was the goal
>>742147expect a kaja kallas or pustula con her merde type of declaration.
>>742065Just post 🇧🇷⚽>🇦🇷⚽. Works every time
At some point one have to question if it's less American intelligence and military capabilities that are unbeatable or the axis of resistance being a bunch weaklings as soon as their ennemy isnt some local LGBTQ+ org.
>>742149aaah, well. here comes an analysis I've been brewing for some minutes now:
1) The US want a bargain chip.
2) The US wants a threat chip (look what we did to the previous leader).
3) The US wants to scare other leaders in the LatAm region.
>>742152More the latter with a tiny smidge of the former. Also, unconventional warfare works better than conventional warfare against US forces.
>>742154yeah was thinking the same thing
>>742153There's like two non reactionary leaders in all of Latam. Chile and Argentina alone are an actual nazi and a pedo ancap, so I don't think its option 3.
>BBC commentator saying the world shifting back to spheres of influence.
Welcome back 19th century diplomacy!
Celebrations in the streets of Venezuela after the overthrow of Maduro lol. If you wasn’t black pilled before, you should be now.
>>742159>Thinking clocks go backwardsNo my friend, time travels in one direction
>>742161I always imagine an "I did that!" sticker next to that quote.
>>742152fgs, it's a 30 million people country, colonialized 500 hundreds years, ago, with little progression after its independence.
of course they can pull this off. not that they can
invade it (though they might try it again) without getting some serious shit a la Afghanistan and Vietnam.
fuck im in latam i dont want even more petit bourgeois venezuelans fleeing to neighboring countries
>>742162History rhymes my friend. Unipolar american global hegemony was a historical anomaly, we are simply returning to how things always were
>>742121China & Russia will cuck out as usual.
It's all in the hands of our Venezuelan comrades now. Will they use this opportunity to crush local reactionaries once and for all, and face a future, inevitable US invasion that they can succeen in resisting against, or will they buckle and collapse, ushering in a new age of deepest reaction, plunder and enslavement of Venezuela?
Should Venezuela fall, Cuba could be in trouble too, losing a vital ally.
>>742168when the tide recedes, new things have washed up onto the shore. it appears the water is going back, but the conditions are still new
>>742160those are videos from chile
>>742166Venezuela can be occupied, unlike Afghanistan, you’d hilariously see Venezuelans flying both their flag and the American flag while American soldiers patrol their streets.
>>742143>Bruh, he's already started giving the US all the prisoner releases it wants. I don't blame him for doubting the seriousness of Russia and wanting to hedge a little, quite frankly.Lukashenko is just doing muti vector foreign policy. Looking at Lukashenko's decisions on foreign policy historically, he doesn't want to be a puppet of any bloc. He is a sort of a Soviet/eurosaian in geopolitical views, but he's ultimately looks out for Belarus first. So despite perception that Lukashenko is "Putin's puppet" shouted by the NAFO/Atlantic types, he's actually more independent, than the average NATO/AUKUS country.
>>742171Now this is some serious cope.
>>742152>or the axis of resistance being a bunch weaklings It's this. What else could it be?
China and Russia have many military advantages over the US, especially on home turf, yet what do we see? China: final warnings to stop arming Taiwan + limp naval drills. Russia: does nothing in response to US attacks + grovels before Trump + lets the US puppet conduct terror attacks and assassination missions.
tfw not even one burger ship sunk :/
I have the feeling the Venezuela military gave up Maduro easily. He wasn't particularly a strong leader, lmao.
>>742178Very likely. Very foolish for them to trust the pedo cabal though.
So much for the multipolar “pink tide”. So much for BRICS.
>>7421414. "Holy shit I need a way to divert attention away from the epstein files." t. Donald Trump
>>742172Assuming the US can resist comitting horrid warcrimes that galvanise the Venezuelan populace against the occupation. You know how US armies operate.
They're too bloodthirstily racist to resist the temptation to murder brown people.
Just see how they treated Venezuelan migrants, mostly gusanos, since Trump took power.
>>742169>China & Russia will cuck out as usual.Perfect window of opportunity to make a move on Taiwan or eliminate the UkroNazi government, but they won't do shit.
can i get the video of the fake president saying stuff venezuela is a 100 million dollar investment
TRUMP PRESS CONFERENCE
cytu.be/r/classwar
>cytu.be/r/classwar
cytu.be/r/classwar
>cytu.be/r/classwar
GET IN HERE
>>742186I disagree on attacking Taiwan now, but Ukronazi decapitation should have happened years ago.
What's the point of watching the press conf? I'm not a sports guy anymore, but I never once enjoyed listening to the victory speech when my team lost.
>>742189glowie cytube, mods are harvesting your IPs
Maduro allowed himself to be kidnapped so that the people could see a taste of torment under Machado just so that resolve in the Bolivarian cause will strengthen.
Obviously no one can do shit about us warmongering given how cucked Russia and China are. But what goes around comes around, so there's always hope.
>>742197Trump gonna catch that big C it seems
>>742185That would largely depend if they hire mercenaries, which they probably would do to bolster their occupation forces. It’s the mercs that would act with impunity as a degree of separation to bring fear to the population that they can be assaulted at any point without recourse.
>>742194bardella (local chud party candidate) will win france's election in 2027
>>742191Damn, they really expected Venezuela to collapse immediately. They wouldn't risk harming "assets" they expected to take over soon, right?
Are things not over yet? My gosh, I'm experiencing a terrible feeling right now: hope…
Address is starting
>>742199>But what goes around comes aroundDoubtful. I hit on people all the time, and nobody hits on me.
I think Maduro is a useless socdem who hasn't done anything for socialism. Having said that, I think this is gonna backfire somehow for the US.
>Bush
<We need regime change war because muh freedums never forget WMDs!
>"Dissident right"
<Heh, maybe the neocons will fall for that, but I'm not so easily manipulated!
>Trump
<OK, same deal as that guy, but about gommunism instead
>Dissident right
<OMG le epic based /ourguy/!!!!
>>742186It is the perfect time for China to invade Taiwan but they won’t. They have no real interest in taking Taiwan, Taiwan is a convenient negotiating chip, if China were to invade and take it over, they’d lose a major negotiating chip with the US. Taiwan is a tool of both the US and China in order to maintain a “balance of power”. This is why Taiwan isn’t a real nation.
What will happen to Cuba considering that their oil supply is done for now
What a fucking nothingburger. Just pure Call of Duty slop for the MAGA crowd.
If Venezuelan cartel really were there, they’d attack oil infrastructure, that would be the real WMD to bring the US to its knees.
>>742208this is offensively stupid
>>742210Maybe this will be the impetus for importing the solar panels China's been trying to flood them with for some time now
>>742214Okay Taiwanese dick rider
why did the us refrain from the usual wanton killing of civilians that happens whenever they conduct foreign operations? propaganda points across latin america?
before this us rhetoric regarding cartels reminded everyone of how many innocent people have been killed in places like afghanistan, somalia and yemen but now that trump captured maduro bloodlessly and the useless fat retard will confess to being a drug trafficker in ny local right wing politicians across latin america (thinking about mexico specially since i'm from there) will point to how effective and amazing the us is at taking out the bad guys unlike our governments whose operartions against cartel heads usually result in civs being killed
>>742213Not even Iraq bothered to go scorched earth and do that. Somehow the US turns everyone into a bunch of cucks, from the browbeaten to a rival nuclear superpower. It's insane. Makes me want to revisit my teen conspiratard years with all the mind-control plots and whatnot.
>>742215Cuba should invest in a nuclear reactor, if they have a working nuclear plant they’d basically be in great shape. Of course a nuclear reactor is far above their gdp but it’s a worthwhile investment.
>>742209no, trump was very clear:
>FOX & FRIENDS: What do you think is next for the Venezuelan people now that you have removed Maduro so he can face American justice?
>TRUMP: Well, we're making that decision now. We can't take a chance on letting somebody else run it, just take over where he left off. So we're making that decision now >>742218Capitalism is naturally monopolistic. In essense, it's a better to invest in USA than into your own country under capitalism, hence the unlimited supply of cucks, hence the self-hating kind of racism of gusanos
>>742221of course, they want full destruction of the country.
>>742219kind of a dumb idea if no native uranium reserves exist on the island bc of the embargo
>>742222I wonder if full on annexation is on the table. Trump has been in an expansionist mood this presidency.
>>742220I wonder why liberals use so much marxist jargon when they haven't read a single page of his in their lives
>>742222Yeah, I have a suspicion that Maduro surrendered, thinking that this would somehow save Venezuela from invasion or coup.
>>742218It’s because most nations are too retarded to diversify their capital exports or main commodity exports. Bless Chavez but he was a retard that made his nation into a primary oil exporter and nothing else. This is literally national wealth building 101. You start with a primary export and use the proceeds to diversify and invest in more than one export. Because oil is the main export they would not threaten to harm their only wealth generator even to stop an enemy from getting a hold of it.
>>742228no, it wasn't a surrendering:
Trump:
>"I think we had nobody killed, I have to say, because a couple guys were hit … it's a war" BRICS is fucking dumb. It's like squeezing blood from a rock just to get China and India to realize they're better off as allies than divided. Same with a lot of the sectarian nonsense in the Middle East.
This is what happens when you recklessly extend BRICS right up to America’s borders and ignore America’s legitimate security concerns.
>>742230 (me)
also, you can actually set up the case that trump, in his own words, started a war without the congress: 'it's a war'.
>>742219You nukecels are delusional as usual, not only nuclear is the most expensive way to produce electricity but they would depend on a foreign power for maintenance, fuel etc which didn't turn out well when the USSR collapsed and the one npp they were building was iced and became a stranded asset. They would also expose themselves to US bombing and sabotage. Solar PVS are a much more pertinent solution for Cuba.
>>742225Not really. They just have to use one where they can reuse recycled nuclear fuel rods. Over time it pays for itself. You don’t need to mine uranium forever as nuclear fuel is very efficient and even more so if the nuclear plant is designed for nuclear fuel recycling.
>>742232The USA has historically seen South America as its backyard, and the Russians thought they could replace us as its center of development.
>>742235You solar fags don’t understand that solar panels are not worthwhile as a solution for a national base load for energy demand. Nuclear is then future and the biggest hurdle for nuclear is initial investment which is expensive but pays for itself in just 10 years and outpaces oil after that.
>>742238Somewhere between a martyr and a useful straw dummy that ended up reinforcing venezuelas revolution and hastening US decline.
>>742238An idiot who wasted 10 years of relative peace only to get kidnapped by USA after trying to negotiate concessions with USA to avoid an open war
And then the war will happen anyway, because imperialists think that any concession is a welcome sign for an invasion
>>741996>>742243And there is ZERO action of sabotage within the US left against this parasitic terror regime. What are Ameri-"Leftists" doing?
I'm not watching that orange faggot gloat about what a genius he is just because he gets to run the empire on easy mode with no resistance from the cuckernational community.
>>742243yup. all that inaction will get killed/kidnapped Petro, Sheinbaum, Lula, etc.
>>742245HAMAS IS ON MEXICO???? GREEN BANDS ALONGSIDE T*RORRIST OUTFIT?? BOMB NOW TRUMP, ONE TRILLION DOLLARS TO ISRAEL
I wonder if Badempanada is now regretting his endorsement of Trump as better for anti imperialism lol.
>>742238first as tragedy (chavez), then as farce (maduro)
HUGO CHÁVEZ WAS FAR TOO BENEVOLENT TO NOT PURGE THE GUSANOS AND ESTABLISH A BOLIVARIAN GULAG/LAGOAI AT THE RIGHT TIME
>>742245They should go and occupy the capital and call themselves the new de facto military.
>>742241I can see that, out of all of my criticisms I still no way think this intervention was good.
>>742242That’s true, I don’t think you should make concessions.
>>742244Yeah…
>>742252Couldn’t of said it better myself
>>742251He will cope with some bitch ass opinion
>>742246Dealing with car dependency
>>742021is this saying that westoids always do nothing or that whatever westoids do with regards to things like this always amounts to nothing
t. american
>>742246What acts of sabotage are you doing westerner? Posting on leftypol doesn’t count.
>>742260I'm not even a westerner vro
Are visualizations/affirmations compatible with dialectical materialism? In theory, could there be some physicalist basis for them to work? If so, I'm going to visualize and affirm a few decuckifications as I fall asleep…
>>742246Community work
Gardening
Boycotting Israeli products
Volunteering at an animal shelter
Writing fanfiction
Skincare routines
Reading scientific articles about climate change
>>742256Trump has bombed Iran, bombed Nigeria, did piracy on Venezuelan tankers, he’s kidnapped Maduro. BadEmpanada unironically thought Trump was just going to be “mean” domestically lol. Nah Trump is both a domestic menace and imperial menace.
>>742263Oh my god they’re brainwashing him with a audiobook of The Wealth Of Nations
>>742248This but with the logos of various US leftist parties
>>742194>Once the US disregards the law>OnceHas this guy been sleeping under a rock the whole time? Where was he when America was bombing Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc?
>>742272he's just doing his job to create amnesia
>>742267If only BE knew how to read
Did Trump shit his pants or what, when is the fucking press conference
Maduro was a dictator and a cunt, good rinse.
As for how it goes from here I fully expect the Trump admin be go full retard, steal the oil, pay no tax and turn the population against them leading to a violent revolution within the next 10 years.
In recent days, the news has been literally boiling over Venezuela. They are boiling significantly. Left and right are boiling. The politicized public in Venezuela is clearly divided into two camps. Our leftists are shouting "But Pasaran" and swallowing validol, worrying about Mr. Maduro. The right-wing camp hisses maliciously: this is what socialism can bring the country to, rampant inflation and empty shelves.
Now there are also claims against the Russian government, which has invested 17 billion dollars in Caracas. In response, pro-government propagandists point the finger at China, which has "pumped in" $70 billion. And all this may be thrown to the wind under the threat of American expansion, a pro-American coup.
The only difference between Cuba and Venezuela is that Chavez was "a little" late, he started his revolution when the USSR was gone. It was easier for Fidel. You need to know that immediately after the overthrow of the Batista regime, Fidel Castro first rushed to the United States to negotiate further plans for life from the position of an equal partner. It didn't fit in there. The US administration is used to considering Cuba as its colony and has not made concessions to Fidel.
It didn't work out in America- Castro tore towards the USSR. Tell Khrushchev, damn you, that you're building socialism.
Chavez decided to repeat Castro's trick, only with the People's Republic of China. He was received there very kindly and in a friendly manner. As a profitable partner. Moreover, he promised to supply 1 million barrels of oil per day to China by 2012. But immediately, commenting on the visit, the official representative of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Jiang Yu, said that cooperation would be built on a mutually beneficial basis and it was devoid of any ideological basis.
In other words, the Chinese have openly said that we support your liberation movement, but we are not going to fraternize. The ideologies are different.
Chinese investments went to Venezuela. But it was very interesting, and a joint investment fund was created (Joint!) from which all projects were financed, the main of which was the construction of refineries specifically for Venezuelan heavy oil. In particular, enterprises in China itself were financed from this Joint Investment Fund.
By the way, in 2012, Venezuelan Trade Minister Edme Betancourt said that the investment fund had received three loans from China of $4 billion each, the first of which had already been repaid, and the payment of the second loan would be completed in early 2012.
This is how China "pumps" funds into Caracas. Without any ideology, only in a way that is beneficial to the Chinese people. At the same time, you need to know that even with the fall of the Maduro regime, China will not lose anything in Venezuela. It's all about the properties of Venezuelan oil. It's very heavy. For processing in conventional plants, it must either be diluted with light oil, which is expensive, or special plants must be built for its processing. That's what China is doing. And after Maduro, even an American protege will need to trade oil. We will have to trade with China, which can refine this oil, and with the proceeds from the sale of oil, any Venezuelan government will be forced to repay loans to China.
That's not a complicated story with Venezuela at all. We don't know what will happen there in the near future. Everything will depend on the actions of specific individuals in a specific situation.
>>742279So basically US imperialism is still progressive, just not intentionally? That’s convenient lmao
>>742270NY post thinks the city is under sharia law now
Did they taked his wife too? :(
>>742279>Maduro was a dictator and a cuntWhy are these notable things to you?
>France denounces US, claims capture of Maduro violates international law. French government states that Maduro “gravely violated” the rights of Venezuelans, but the military operation that led to him being grabbed “contravenes the principle of non-use of force, which underpins international law
>>742281I'm saying that getting him out was the right thing to do just as it was with Saddam, that doesn't mean I agree with what the US will do now he's out.
>>742246>What are Ameri-"Leftists" doing?developing the voting forces
>>742288>Yes.Okay great, at ease then soldier
The worms in "Delta Force" that took part in this have names and families. I dream someone will find who was involved in this so someone may come to them one day and —- them and their loved ones
>>742288>I'm saying that getting him out was the right thing to do just as it was with Saddam, that doesn't mean I agree with what the USYes it does actually. It aligns with imperialism, and the most comprador bourgeoisie in Venezuela.
>>742288>getting out Saddam was the right thing to doIt destabilize the entire region, Bush administration are still war criminals that the ICC would put in a court and killed over a million people which pales in comparison to what Saddams regime ever did.
>>742288>I'm saying that getting him out was the right thing to do just as it was with SaddamNah. Both retard should have been killed by worker revolutions. Not by the actions of an empire who is gonna loot it.
why did the us refrain from the usual wanton killing of civilians that happens whenever they conduct foreign operations?
>>742218>Not even Iraq bothered to go scorched earth and do thatIraq didn't go 'scorched earth' because, even doe Saddam was high on his hubris, the military command was already setting up for asymmetrical war. The Iraqi insurgency had practically no funding, it survived on secret Ba'athist caches and smuggled cash.
>>742296Because they got one helicopter shot down, allegedly
>>742293Kicking him out didn't destabilize the ME putting in a puppet government destabilized the ME.
In a perfect world dictators would be removed and free elections would be held, in reality dictators are removed and replaced with puppet governments.
>>742296they have killed civilians
>>742091You're a fucking moron
At least the radlibs and Dembots have found their anti-war fervor again, I suppose… I usually check out the front pages of Daily Kos and /r/politics whenever I want to see what Dem messaging is going to be on something.
>>742291>I dream dreaming will get you nowhere.
D.I.Y >>742279>to a violent revolution within the next 10 years.where are they going to get weapons from?
>>742305Your lack of confidence in winning the argument noted
>>742306Don’t depend on that. They have flipped like a switch in the past, and they will do it again.
>>742307I'm not American, I live far away. So there's nothing I can do. May one brave Burgeranon do it instead
>>742308Erythritol tetranitrate can be produced with common precursors by anyone that did HS chem and drone parts cost nothing from China.
>>742282I wish it was at this point
Thats a joke >>742312God what a faggot
>>742312Has lil Lindsey stopped raping boys yet?
>>742301Did this fucker just say "we will run the country"
Yeah there's going to be a follow up war is fucking coming
>>2624245
Imagine thinking we should give our support and solidarity behind (what you personally think are) the best bets like opportunist faggots.
>>742312Currently that coward faggot Xi is once again circling Taiwan, making the media show “concern”, but we know Xi is a bitch.
>>742319Lmao no way that wasn't him misspeaking. Casually announcing an occupation like that is insane
>>2624245
China is also a dead end for the Left so its rich you making the claim that LatAm is dead for the left.
Trump saying the US will occupy Venezuela until a transition of power is possible
>>742309There is no argument. You're brain damaged.
>>742324It wasn't him misspeaking, he repeated "we will run the country" like 8 times
maduro will come to new york and americans will do nothing, only hope of civil unrest is when the ai bubble bursts
SECOND WAVE
What the fuck, anons?!
>>742326Yeah, not gonna happen
trump looks so low energy. he looks like he might drop any second
>>742316My question is that what is in Mexico that the US needs? They’re not a major oil country, do they have lithium? I don’t know.
>>742299>Kicking him out didn't destabilize the ME putting in a puppet government destabilized the ME.That is nonsense. What government other than a puppet government would you put in Iraq? Saddams government is what held the country together and prevented the worse essences of sectarian fighting. You have to read what you wrote because overthrowing the government destabilized the region because there was no alternative, no workers movement or anything of the source
>>742326Hope every single American occupying Venezuela is glassed
>>742334Mexico has profits and real economic growth. Basically, what Japan had back in the day
>>742334Mexico has a nationalized oil industry, it is the southern border and other natural resources are there.
>>742326Of course this admin is being as stupid as possible right off the bat, they just need to is put González in but of course they want a puppet government and civil unrest.
>>742326Proofs? And if true how the fuck?
>>742334manufacturing and slave population workforce
trump and chuds also probably simply hate the government is socially liberal and crows about being independent
>>742340Ah okay so it’s only a matter of time before Trump invades Mexico.
Hope the entire Nobel committee get their due justice.
>>742344They also have manufacturing as well, so definitely
>>742342He said a second wave of military operations are prepared if necessary.
>>742345The Greatest Peace President with his Peace Bombs and Peace Bullets and Peace Invasion.
>>742235> not only nuclear is the most expensive way to produce electricityit's not, what's been expensive is figuring out how to deal with public relations over safety, far more than even the safety issue itself.
>>742348So the plan really was to nab their president. Hope that scares everybody and hope they cuck out… or else.
>>742350i would say these claims are bunk, but noriega accusations are true since he worked with the cia
>>742352Too soon to see if it worked.
>>742343>manufacturing and slave population workforceIt's called the american re-industrialisation plan, anon.
Maduro supposedly had a VERY large detail of Wagner forces. Did they sell out to a higher bidder? I imagine there are furious calls out of Moscow.
>>742352>So the plan really was to nab their president.Yes, he wasn't going to do Putin's dumb approach.
He sounds extremely drugged up
>>742355J.Sakai vindicated
>>742344Russia and China will watch. At this point Latin America left is on high alert from Cuba, Nicaragua to Mexico and Colombia
>>742324>>742319>Trump accuses Maduro of waging a campaign of "terror" against the United Statesimagine that. I didn't know Venezuelans were terrorizing Americans.
>>742337I hope every single american is glassed regardless of where they currently are.
>>2624301
cool story bro, back to Hearts of Iron.
>>742355It's a very similar attitude that many Russians have for the same reason
>sure oligarchs steal the nations wealth while the people suffer>but at least we have military strength DONROE DOCTRINE
Is there any chance Maduro could win in the courts? I mean, the Dems have a hard-on for screwing Trump over in the courts, and they seem to want him to fail on this.
>>742368This shit is goofy
>>742367they can't even beat Ukraine
how much of an effect do you think drone warfare affects the willingness of people to take up arms against the us and israel?
>>2624324
Creation of Plurinationalist regime in Bolivia has to count 4 something
>>2624301
>the image of the Left.
SNCA
>>742374Depends on the locale
>>742326Well, on the bright side a new generation of crippled vets is about to be born.
>>742350>>742323They are going to use the Classified Information Procedures Act to block all the information, even to his defense, and rely only on declarations of people to build the case.
>>742363The LatAm Left is powerless period. From the left to the liberals all they can do is “condemn”, and nothing else. Their own militaries can make deals with the US in the event of an invasion to stop its air defenses and stop any mobilization of its troops. High alert means nothing other than, abandon all hope.
>>2624301
>The Left has not a single "Anti-Imperialist" victory since frankly WW2.
<What is Vietnam
<What is the DPRK
<What is Cuba
Fuck off Trot.
>>741996There's some scenarios
>Vzla submits and Let Corina and Co. Privatize everything and a dark age of argentina with oil starts>Chavistas decide to fight, because they know that a Corina government Will mean a extermination campaign of everything leftist>A civil war breaks, bc chavistas un government don't expect anything good of a comprador government and maybe thia Time they'll work with drug cartels to keep the government >>2624317
It’s only a matter of time before Russia and China lose all their allies. China is already encircled in the SCS. We have an new form of containment that’ll cut off China and Russia from its BRICS trading partners.
>>742372True but they beat Georgia, Transnistria, Tajikistan, Dagestan and Chechnya while the Russian population cheered.
Ukraine has gone so bad because they gave 8 years warning and the commanders brought too many yachts.
>>2624245
But have you considered that Chinese workers will eventually leave the sweatshops en masses, gut you up, slowly disembowel your body then piss on it? I can't wait!
>>742369Nah, they hate AES More than they hate the senile pedophile, there's nothing to do for maduro inside the empire…
>>2624345
>A US lapdog today
Of course the Chinaboo would say that
<@georgegalloway
<The kidnapping of Maduro and his wife by Trump is an illegal act of international piracy and gangsterism. He did it because he could. Because he had procured traitors. Let there be no further talk of law, of order, of rights. It’s a victory for Trump in Venezuela. It’s the end of Ukraine and Taiwan.
So why isn't cuck theory a respectable position among the thinking class? Why are they always so sure of themselves about how bold Russia and China will be, when we down-market folks know perfectly well that Russia and China won't do shit?
>>2624324
No to the pussy ass pink tide, yes to the red tsunami
>>2624361
yeah bro world police rule lmao fuck off fed
>>742369Maduro is done for. Unless the US gets revolutionary Maduro will be stuck in prison for the rest of his life
>>742367This is just how westerners imagine Russians to be, the reality is the 90s was very indicative of what western governance looks like for Russia and quite naturally they don’t want to go through that again.
The
>everyone in Russia suffers and everyone there knows it’s their own oligarchs that make them suffer but they resist western democracy/help/guidance because they’re militaristic chuds and think their army stronk narrative exists because the reality is the west wanted the end of the Cold War to play out like any hot war with massive wealth extraction and that’s why we still have to live under the threat of nuclear war.
>>742393Yeah Putin is probably crying seeing how the US effortlessly just did what Russia tried to do in Feb 22
>>742392another pennyposting banger
>>742294Still has aura. They couldn't take his honour
>>2624345
>What is Cuba
>Another shithole that will collapse eventually.
They're Telling themselves that for More than 60 years
>"If you don't support right wing dictators and corrupt mafia capitalists you're a Trot"
You're a trot for being a retard about socialism
>>742398Yeah Putin is probably crying seeing how the US effortlessly just did what Russia tried to do in Feb 22
The US hasn't taken Venezuela yet.
Hes no corrupt than all the american puppets in latin america, hes just a socialist kys for defended the intervention
>>2624361
>>742393This is a wild guess but both Xi and Putin came on the scene after US meddling from 2001-2013. Gaddafi spurred on Putin and Xi started consolidating and shutting down Zemin clique. They are still heads of each country and the worse of those times seem to be contained since 2012. But 2024-2026 making people realize what is really going on and coping is happening
No próximo ano haverá eleições no Brasil e na Colômbia, a interferência é inevitável
>>742294Seriously, this is worst way they could make him look? Even in his pyjamas he still looks cool. Imagine if this ends up backfiring, and this photo becomes an icon of resistance.
>>2624384
>Again, what has "Anti-Imperialism" done? What are the great victories of the anti-imperialist west? Motherfuckers couldn't even get the Iraq War stopped lmao.
this just sounds like gloating on behalf of the reactionaries tbh
>>742288Kill yourself, lib
>>742412Just put the fries in the bag bro.
>>742294Did they grab him out of his bed?
>>742413>this just sounds like gloating on behalf of the reactionaries tbhYes. Just report it at this point.
>>742416no, the de-facto leader is Delcy. 90 days, renewed by the AN under the AN decisions.
>>742392If it makes you feel better, this is looking like it's going to turn into another Iraq/Afghanistan hell it might turn into another Vietnam. So the empire is going to get a bloody nose for this.
>>742415I have no idea what this Amerikkkan metaphor even means. Try harder
>>742410Why even bother with this when we can listen from the horse’s mouth about what this actually is.
>>742421I doubt it, but I to see many, many caskets with the us flag on it.
So what are venezuelans thinking about this? Happy, sad? Anyone that lives there can say something?
>>742425general sentiment is angry.
>>742425They are doing nothing about it
>>742397>the 90s was very indicative of what western governance looks likeWhile he have let neoliberalism destroy the west no western country has come close to the level of 90s Russia denationalization.
>but they resist western democracy/help/guidance because they’re militaristic chudsI don't believe that, I believe that after decades of Putin blatently rigging elections and killing enemies they accept they are in a dictatorship and just keep their heads down.
>massive wealth extractionWithout a doubt, they took full advantage of the forced denationalization to buy infurstructure and assets at a tiny fraction of market vaule and then rapidly increased prices looking for the highest they could charge without civil war.
As for the threat of nuclear war I think every country should be a nuclear power, if Venezuela was we wouldn't be in this thread.
Anyone watching the stream on LeftypolTV? I cant rn, but I saw Thomas Van Linge or whatever was there. What's he saying in the chat?
>>2624384
>Again, what has "Anti-Imperialism" done? What are the great victories of the anti-imperialist west? Motherfuckers couldn't even get the Iraq War stopped lmao.
Usa was in a better moment then, they weren't governed by a senile pedophile and they didn't have an economy in shambles
>Yeah and Cuba is in it's most dire straits these days.
Argentina and usa just needed one year of "free market" to be in a similar position
>"Socialism is when you're a corrupt dictator that does mass carousel fraud on your entire population to the point 1/3rd of the country flees"
The people fleeing was caused more by sanctions and propaganda of how everything was "better" in capitalism than anything made by the chavistas
>Yeah, I don't support corrupt mafia monsters who drape themselves in red flags while the go to Dubai and throw cash around, smoke cigars and do trashy bougie thirdie shit.
Yeah, sure that purism Is appreciated by your local rightoids!
What happened to militias they were showing off on tv?
>>742426>copeThe US objective was to spark a Venezuelan collapse which still hasn't materialised.
Starting:
Day 1 of the "30 Minute Regime Change Operation"With every passing day, this looks worse for the US.
>>2624361
I support total (Chinese) porky death
>>2624427
I know but damn they got this mfer in 3 hours did like no one put up a fight?
>>2624384
>a corrupt dictator
there is 0 proof maduro was either corrupt or a dictator, this is just repeating the imperialist propaganda
>to the point 1/3rd of the country flees
nothing to do with the absolutely crushing sanctions ofc, like with cuba, all socialists are fraudster and thats why people leave
fuck you and kys
>>742433>>2624427It was over too fast for any organized responce, if there is going to be an insurgency it'll start over the next few weeks.
>>742435The US objective was to get a friendly regime. I don't care about grand speeches about resisting imperialism, whatever is left of Chavez' government isn't doing anything, which is pretty much a sign that they bent the knee.
>>742437Not straight up, sure
>>742438America is a Gamer nation. Venezuela is not. Make your own conclussions.
While it may be the unpopular position, remember the communist role is not run defense for states but is to uphold the struggle. The motto is always "No War But Class War."
Basically:
I hope many American soldiers die.
I hope the US invasion fails.
Solidarity with the Venezuelan working class, not its government.
The role of Americans right now is to disrupt and sabotage any war effort.
>>742433why yes, you can see if you ask:
>>742245 >>742441More like corrupt third worldists can't use the russian anti air missiles they were given cause they are lazy AND brown.
So is there anything we can do to help people who are affected by this? Do we need to protest? Sabotage factories? I just wanna know what I can do to help people caught in the crossfire.
>>742442Feel free to cite any sources of Venezuela aggreeing to privatise the oil industry into US corporations, I'll wait.
>>742438>>742433Bro this was just a PR move, a photo op to convince people that Maduro was still in charge while his subordinates where preparing to deliver him to Trump.
>>742430Yeah because neoliberalism is self-inflicted to the benefit of the western bourgeoisie, the “shock therapy” advised in Russia was inflicted against the Russian proletariat to the benefit of the western bourgeoise.
Ultimately you can’t pikachu face about broad Russian support for the current regimes when in living history, western support for regime change was immediately revealed to be a ploy to exploit Russia and its resources.
Once westoids topple their imperial governments, then perhaps other nations can have high ideals like revolution again rather than just the simple practical goal of survival instead.
Why are you guys bothering to argue with the "leftcom" guy? If he's the same poster who made the Rojava/Zapatista thread he doesn't even know what left communism is. It's as productive as arguing with an ancap. You have nothing in common and are not gonna get anywhere.
>>742445Communism ended in 1991. Stop the larp
Kidnap and murder your local usa tourists.
>>2624345
>Thanks to China
That's when you know you know nothing. DPRK nuclear program was designed specifically because China was selling them out not because. Due to the nuclear program, China had to accept the DPRK.
>>742440>US shale oil can't compete against laundered Russian oil>US secures light crude which is much cheaper to refine>this can be processed by US refineries that were processing Canadian oil before Trumps trade warShocking turn of events, who could have seen this coming.
>>742450no, it wasn't. trump admitted that they got people 'hit'.
>>2624455
>Venezuelan speaking
My squigga they speak Spanish
>>742447See Ukraine for how Russian SAMs perform against 40yo NATO weapons, then remember the US just went in with 10yo NATO weapons.
>>2624455
Wtf i love imperialism now
>>742465Damn surrendered for nothing
>>742433They are getting hunted down. They won't be on full display.
>>2624455>Clearly rigged electionsthere's no proof of this. the guy asked to everyone to go to the TSJ (basically, US scotus) to run a complete electoral check. the only ones who didn't go were the comprador opposition figures, like:
>>742269>>742467Either surrended or underground
>>2624455
Hero Of The Proletariat Chairman Trump Has Deposed The Fake Socialist Maduro!
Is having Zelensky walk around freely while conducting terror attacks on Russian soil politically survivable for Putin now?
>>742465>Under a deal discussed between a senior U.S. official and Mr. Maduro’s top aidesso true!
>>742452>the “shock therapy” advised in Russia was inflicted against the Russian proletariat to the benefit of the western bourgeoise.Are there any credible marxists who write about 'shock doctrine', because i read Klein's book, i otherwise cannot stand her, in this book i think she hyper-focouses on some americans to build her case because it makes for a compelling argument, i do not trust the conclusions and think there is every possibility that far from this being some evil plan perhaps americans are just dumb and sincerely believe in le capitalism, and capitalism when implemented in Russia simply did what capitalism does. To me i think she tries to build a grand conspiracy for the gain of these mustache twirling economists where i do not entirely see it, i think they were just dumb and ideologues, feels like the capitalist class being let off the hook for some nerdy american retards. It's been a long time since i've read it, i will say she is a good writer, but my memory is that it was extremely light on any real economics.
>>742465you do love to swallow US propaganda, huh. in no place that article cites what would that agreement represent.
>>2624455
>Even Venezuelan speaking communists online despise him and call him and Chavistas "bastards"
You are bullshitting the last part with Chavistas. Chavez and the movement still has a mixed legacy while Maduro is seen as incompetent
>>742473some american economists*
Seriously I dont think even Iraq was THIS mask off "yeah we're invading your country for oil lol what are you gonna do about it"
Absolutely fucked up. Destroy this rotten country
>>742478Drugs were the WMDs but no one in America believed it so US just said fuck it we are here for the oil
Machado fucking snubbed LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>742354All of this because the democrats didn't allow Bernie to run
>>742483Moronic peoples deserve to get fucked. Völkerabfälle.
>>742477You will die for burgerreich. You will get in ze box.
>>742477Troops won't be necessary with the degree of apathy we saw earlier. They're likely to take whatever new leader Blumpf installs.
>>741996>be maduro>be a democratic socialist>get kidnapped and probably have your entire country get destroyed because you were too niceDemocracy simply doesn't work.
>>742483 malinchismo many such cases
>>742478It doesn't matter, who are you going to vote for that won't overthrow governments at the request of oil corps?
>>742483No, aligning themselves with the US lest they find themselves in Washington DC’s gun sights is common sense.
They’ve played CoD Ghosts, they’ve been warned.
>>742483Americans are by nature anti-imperialists, Latams simply yearn for freedom.
is trump still amassing troops at the Mexican border?
>>742492We're talmbout ordinary people here bro, not foreign policy elites.
>>742483If it's maybe true it is because of the national reactionary and the normalization of xenophobia against venezuelans.
Veneco de mierda, vuelve a tu país ahora que maduro se fue.
Check Spanish internet
>>742465>paywalled articleYou give these motherfuckers money???
>>742485Please understand, the dems would rather a GOP dictator than increasing taxes on their donors.
Venezuelan immigrants across LatAm are reactionary. Don’t feel sorry for them
Us protectorate over Vz.
Xi is still sleeping
Moscow strongly urges Washington to release the legitimately elected President of Venezuela, Maduro, and his wife, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated
LOL, do they not realize they blew all their deterrence by letting all red lines be crossed because "muh doesn't change the conquest of Russian villages in the Donbass"?
>>742465A verbal agreement is an agreement. That oil belongs to America now.
>>742495but I was told by leftcom that Venezuela didn't deny their oil to the US.
lmao, cia propagandists here have it hard with his unfiltered imperialistmonger president.
>>742501VENECOS SHOULD BE OBLITERATED, CHÁVEZ FAILED AT NOT DOING A PROPER PURGE
>>742499At least hes not a pedophile
>>742503I know what it is. Hamsic made the claim, hamsic anon can cite the source properly. I'm not doing his homework. He has the burden of proof.
Fuck off kys.
>>2624515
Instead, he gets fucked
>>2624517
>>2624517
If it even happened at all,
>>2624530
Mods, permaban this man
the US only has around 15,000 total troops in the Caribbean, including over 5,000 sailors and naval aviators (so less than 10,000 actual land troops). in comparison, Desert Storm had 700,000 US troops and tens of thousands more of Saudi and other allied troops. how exactly does trump intend to enforce his transitional government?
Did something happen? Or did nothing happen?
>>742504The king of red tape.
Lmao, at least the sincerity of not giving a shit about being a colonial master is horribly commendable
>>742515am I not allowed to be a doomer?
>>742511the US hasnt had a single protest since maybe the 70s. the american people are absolutely cucked and the ruling class knows this
>>742519doomerism is reactionary you worthless little chudcel
>>742519Mods perman this person NOW!
>>742504They need to capture Zelensky and negotiate if they want a release like that
>>742517I would call this something. Just another L for the Earth.
Nothing happened, didnt it?
Genuinely what the fuck do we do? As Americans what is something we can do right now that has any impact? I'm freaking out here
>>742505In that case NATO expansion against Russia was illegal too, because it was a "verbal agreement" as well. (It wasn't only verbal, but that's beside the point)
>>2624549
He should become more skeptical of his life and pull the trigger
>>742527Mods, ban this man too?
>>742523That limbless, diabetic, incontinent blob just snatched up another countries president and they paid them to do it.
>>742516>and tens of thousands more of Saudi and other allied troopsSaudi Arabia calculated that it would've took Iraq 3 days to reach Yemen before deciding to invite the Americans. The US alone should take credit for the victory, even Europe would've been bogged down there I'm sure.
>>742527My guess is to an protest, donate to rots that help civilians, ect.
>>742516I'm sure a lot of senior military officials just got a very big payday from the CIA, Trump and co will be counting on the Ven military to side with them. We'll see how well that plays out over the coming years.
>>742520in 2020 police stations were being stormed and burned, while trump wanted the military to kill everyone a bunch of generals told him to fuck off. just because liberals and postmodernists coopted everything doesn't mean it didn't show that millions of americans are willing to violently oppose the government.
>>742527purge the dickriders
>>742524Putin is more likely to hand himself over to Zelensky and declare his intention to remain in captivity until Maduro is released.
>waaaaah muh madurooool
Anti imperialism is the worst product of imperialism
>>742537Trumped up charges, witchhunt, lawfare etc. etc.
>>742496So am I, CoD Ghosts was a warning to the LATAM masses and they’ve heeded that warning
>>742534There's massive protests apparently being organized outside the White House that are due to officially start in about 15 minutes, but unless they pull a Jan 6th and storm the building it's not going to do shit
>>742537They're trying to charge him with "possession of machine guns"
>>742526I think kidnapping a head of state counts as a happening even if he's released afterwards, which we don't even know. It looks like a massive unfolding because Trump is currently overcommitting, if they go back they're a paper tiger, if they go forward it'll be a quagmire that lasts years if not a decade
>>742519You should really just kill yourself if you have resigned yourself to the view that there is no hope.
>>742545antifas are cowards they won't do shit tbh
intersectionality has ruined the workers
>>742548Hope for what? Le historical situation is unfavorable
>>742537meaningless word vomit
>>742483>latam polling<doesn't show pollsterwhy even bother, anon?
Le interimperialist conflict just accept it man
Holy fuck its already over wtf why wasnt he protected
>>2624549
Fuentes is a fucking idiot it just means they get all the usual globohomo institutions installed, it doesn't mean the US will be running the day to day shit. Even the oil will just be run by a US oil company it doesn't require major state involvement on the side of the US. It only becomes a problem if the Venezuelans decide they would prefer to burn it all down than let those institutions take over.
>>742555>if you dont like homos ur a tankie heeheeMcNutt yourself cuz
Where is the aaron rupaul poster? We need him now more than ever
>>742458He’s definitely eyeing Canadian oil right now as well
>>742557Backroom deal with military 100%
>>742542Nobody gives a shit about maduro the person. It's all outrage towards america.
>>742559Exactly comrade. The more homos the more antifanister it.
>>742545These protests is more about living in denial and keeping the larp going. It's not going to change anything.
>>742561eastern>>2624602
I doubt it. It's really not that hard for the United States to capture people.
>>742561kys nazi apologist
>>742563I hope they use the military against Canada.
>>742563He can't invade a western country without the US being sanctioned to death by the whole world but I'm sure there is a lot of back room plotting in Canadian halls of power.
>>742483brazillian rightoids fly the flag of the US and Israel instead of the brazillian flag btw. some of our elected representatives are outright anti-brazil, call the country a shithole and say that the US should invade and kill us (im not even exaggerating)
>>742561Hell yeah communists will rob the wealthy.
when is the venezuelan communist party taking over? asking for a friend
>>742561Because they are cucks run by xenopatriots. In case of Baltic state, literal foreign nationals. Russian threat they talked about was a pretext for joining NATO, not a reason for it
>>742529They verbally agreed to expand NATO to the former Warsaw Pact countries.
>>742576When the global revolution happens comrade
>waaah the imperialism is happening waaaah gaahh
>shits himself
>>742561Because they are bourgeois puppet states that don't care about losing up to 30% of the population.
>>2624618
> half the military will just defect
Proofs?
>>742576No more than 14 days
>>2624618
>half the military will just defect
thats not what happened thougbeit the troops seem to have remain loyal while one or more high ranking generals are the only ones who betrayed maduro
>>742579ban this guy already
>>742583Memes write themselves)))))
>>742585Back to the sharty
We should hopefully try and focus on persevering the socialist policies that were set up previously even if Venezuela is now under neoliberal rule.
>>742585at least that what we know so far new info will come out later and we are yet to see what the military does now considering it suffered litle casualties
>>742589take your meds
>>742561Moving the goalpost.
Also, because they are all US vassals. Antagonising your biggest trading partner, Russia, is suicidal, and it shows. Eastern Europe is depopulating, the Baltics being in acute crisis because of that. Not to mention, hundreds of thousands of Cuckrainians are now dead, because they were told, Russians were "subhuman, asiatic orcs."
Kindly, kindly kill yourself NOW!
>>742561Because it was lucrative for their comprador elites. Popular opinion has nothing to do with NATO membership. Out of all NATO countries only like 3 even had a referendum about it
>>742594Sharty reactionary chud
>>2624618
The population and military hating Maduro buys the US a grace period but when the US steals the wealth of the country while denationalizing everything and creating 1990s Russia all over again that good will won't last.
>>742600nothing ever happens
Did Trump really just say that Machado can't lead Venezuela because she doesn't have enough support in the country? Crazy how all the Venezuela propaganda falls apart by itself, who would have thought
>>2624455
>Clearly rigged elections
trump whining about stolen elections dont make it true
>1/3rd of the country flees
they were coming back in recent time actually, as venezuela had started economic recovery. Once you got everything set up to evade sanctions and trade with china, things get easier. The only reason they left in the first place is economic hardship inflicted by the criminal sanctions of the US imperialists waging devastating economic warfare.
>Even Venezuelan speaking communists
lmao you're such a stupid moron
and no, communists do support maduro, they literally had a split over it where the anti maduro guy ended up all alone with 0 support from either the base or cadres, who then formed an alternative communist party allied with maduro
>Dude has bank account worth billions
>that everything against him is just "imperialist propaganda".
<trust me bro, the US propaganda against their enemies is all true!
0 proof
>Maduro ran the economy into the mud
but he didnt. The US economic warfare did. And the fact is they were on the right track to things getting better.
>jumped his entire economy aboard the Crypto train
Im pretty sure you get all your informations from headlines to spout such stupid shit
now kys glowie, we dont want your kind here
>>742591Hahahahahahaha, that's cute.
>>742597I see two US military guys and 1 Venezuelan in handcuffs. Am I supposed to assume the Venezuelan defected against himself?
>>742600The mistake in Afghanistan was attempting to wipe out every Taliban. It would be like trying to wipe out every registered Republican in the US.
NOBODY LIKES OR RESPECTS MACHADO
LMAOOOO
>>2624618
it's not clear any military defected. seems like someone gave a stand down order. It could have been Maduro himself. Some kind of arrangement was clearly made but not clear what/whom.
Also, at least try to hide your elation a little bit mr "anti-campist"
>>742606Notice how no one seems worried about getting shot?
>>742608>probably talking about: >>742269no he's explicitly stating that Machado is out.
>>742590IMAGINE MY SHOCK! /s
>>742615go back to reddit
>>742614If you can't recognize soyjak party dogwhistles it's not my problem, but yours.
>>742499venezuela is more democratic than the usa
>>742573The US is the western world and it will just be letters of condemnation
>>742612>post operation military unafraid of getting shotMakes sense so far, yes
>>742597fake. Maduro is taller, MUCH more taller.
>>2624517
why do you repeat US propaganda?
>>742617I'm sorry I dont let underage schizos live in my head rent free like you do
>>742622Because he is a western crypto-zionist trotskyite revisionist
>>742624Go fuck yourself /pol/lyp.
>>742613give me source, btw.
>>742603He did, a few minutes after claiming Delcy Rodriguez, Maduro's VP already is fully cooperating with the US.
>>742611It is not out of character for Maduro to do a stand down order like that and surrender himself. Say what you will, but he firmly believes that Bolivarian Socialism is grassroots and that he isn't needed to protect Venezuela. He likely sees it as buying time
>>2624517
this is the same administration that is protecting israeli pedophiles btw. anything released by the US should be taken as a lie at this point. if they tell you the sky is blue you should question it
>>742600Iraq killed more US troops in the first 3 years than Afghanistan in 20 while being entirely funded by local networks and ba'athist dissidents
The problem is Iraq is Shia majority so Iran was able to shape the broken people into islamist cucks for the government.
Nothing happened it seems.
>>742631A Sunni terrorist child killer typed this post.
>>742633Cope.
>>742465he was bitchmade first then bitchcouped later, thats why I don't actually care that much he was taken out since he had already surrendered at least now the path is clear for new trvly revolutionary leadership (delussional)
>>742561>Let me antagonize Russia and then cry about it Okay faggot
>"provocation.jpg" Historical illiterate uyghur. The USSR spent months offering huge tracts of land to Finland in return for a much smaller portion of territory near Leningrad, and after each nearly-successful diplomatic meeting Mannerheim shot it down because he was an Anglo-Saxon lap-dog. Get fucked.
>>742638Go fuck yourself legit. All you do is hinder workers worldwide.
>>742639>conspiracy theoryokay so it's true
>>742636wow I sure hope some sort of islamic state totally not funded by israel can destroy these evil reactonaries!1!
>>742644The ones fighting alongside the US against the Iraqi insurgency? Yeah I'm sure Israel is very interested in destroying them.
>>742640why didn't the soviets intervened
Thread's full!
>>742507A hidden truthnuke
>>742509What the fuck are you on about you schizo? You're bitching about their "paywalled article" and how the guy is giving money, when there's an obviously easy way to get around it.
>>742627>give me source, btw.Watch the damn presser. Not to be a dick, but because it's hard to source what i'm watching live, he said something along the lines of:
>>742609 Nothing happened.
>>742645>iraqi insurgency>look inside>uae-saudi-qatari funding>organized from american prisions>only interested in attacking every other muslim country but not the jewish onerlly makes you think
>>742658>leftypol is now actual chudspacking up atp
>>742656Maduro faked the operation to go hang out with trump without the anoying venezuelans bitching about it
>>742647I only heard bad things from Argentinians about these people.
>>742663that water was promised to them 3000 years ago you fucking chud
>>742658now youre trying to delegitimize my claims by turning it into some magical woo bullshit. im referring to a real policy enacted by a real state in the real world, not some race war bullshit. fuck off retard
>>742659Fuck it didn't timestamp it, it's around 1:38 minutes in. He says they didn't contact her and that she doesn't have the support.
>>742604Where does China factor in to all of this given they just met with Maduro? Do you think they sold him out or at least didn't care about what was going to happen?
>>742667>da joos posting in 2026The goyim know like they never have before. There is no shutting it down now.
>>742672youre an actual israeli asset. go kill yourself you retard
>>742667The bourgeois imperialist Zionist state is crushing workers in their own country, murdering hundreds of thousands In Gaza and now searching new ways to mercantilize something as essential as water, happy?
Nta btw.
>>742670Xumas get off Leftypol
>>742672Anti semitism is the most reactionary thing ever and if you can't tell then you are mentally disabled.
Call of Duty mission irl
>>742674obvious samefag is obvious
>>742672Oh my G-d….. social democracy…. on my leftypol????
"The fight against the imperialism is a sham and a humbug"
Lenon, Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism
>>742673>if you can be just a little bit nicer to the people who hate you israel will cease to exist in two more weeks get real
>>742676not an argument
>>742681aaaaand you are a stirnerfag too
are you also gay and french by any chance?
>>742675He does good research unfortunately for you.
I told him to abandon campism before he even had the twitter account, he didn't listen and ended up as a ba'athist chvd joulani dickrider. Oh well
Where is the brazilian FSLN flag poster to tell us to trust the plan now
>>742676yes forget about any of the recent news antisemitism is the true problem not all the genocides, wars, coups, and prole murdering we been seeing
>>742685>jews in government do le bad so all jews are badAre you disabled?
>>742683LOOLLLLL at least ur honest about being a ZOGslave
>>742682Feel free to make a real argument any time.
>>742687>ZOGslaveI'm not an islamocuck like (You) howeverbeit
>ZOGcool it with the social democratic remarks
You guys shouldn't have started with "might makes right" kek, turns out left is pretty damn weak
>>742688Literal /pol/lyp kys.
>>742686No one said all jews are bad, why do you only strawman?
>>742689You are a supporter of ZOG lol. U have no ground to stand on
>>742684Abducted by Posadists ayylmaos, allegedly.
>>742670>complains about islamocucks>glazes "Islamic Army of Iraq"Ok lol
>>742695Like how they paid Jonathan Pollard to betray America?
>>742681notice how everytime someone brings up crimes committed by the state of israel here the thread is spammed by /pol/fags who turn it into a debate about " le magic jews using spiritual powers to make me jerk off to transhumanist porn"?
it is an actual israeli strategy to delegitimise criticism of israel by making its critics look like schizos. you are on tel avivs payroll and if you arent, well im sorry that youre doing their work for free. thats sad
>>742696>islamocuckstranslation: shia groups opposed to israel
>>2624885
you didnt point out shit uyghur. i pointed out israeli plans to destabilise latin american countries and you derailed the conversation by turning it into spiritual woo bullshit, now youre seething because i pointed it out instead of playing your game. back to tel aviv please
>>742704>>742699Oh, also, i know it's easy done but instead of bickering with them just report it. The whole goal is to get you talking about not Venezuela.
>>742699>NOOOOOO you can only criticise Israel in a way that can't be called antisemiticOr, you know, just delegitimise that bad faith label entirely so you can criticise Israel however you feel.
You will always be a slave.
The thread is full
>>742707/pol/shitters have literally never criticised israel once and ive been here since 8chan. try harder
>>742709You're here tone policing criticism of Israel.
>>742659>>742668oh, shi, he did.
>>742710What's funny is i dont think this guy is even a Sunni (let alon a Muslim) or anything, they just uncritically accept sectarian Sunni narratives against Iran for no reason
>>2623938
<the Venezuelean governmetn was never an opposition to the US
>starts a war with them regardless
>>742709They did cause AIPAC funds murica doe
>>742360<So the plan really was to nab their president. Hope that scares everybody and hope they cuck out… or else.>Yes, he wasn't going to do Putin's dumb approach.Decapitation strikes are only smart if they work. Otherwise you still have to fight through the army and enraged populous and and potential insurgency and you also have to face the judgement and political cost of the war of as the aggressor. Decap strikes are popular with the US because they can be sold as a cheap way to gain wins. They fucking never work in anything but the most fragile governments and even then you will still have to do decade long occupation to get what you want and fight an insurgency.
new
>>2624937
>>2624937
>>2624937
>>2624937
>>742713> for no reasonmossad propaganda is effective on the inbred
>>742696>Although it carries an Islamic title, the group combines Sunni Islamism with Iraqi nationalismIt was named Islamist as a cope to ride the Islamist wave that Islamocucks started, some its members are documented to have been drinking, atheist or from other religions.
I'm not glazing it, it was a bourgeois movement carried by the baathist bourgeoise in exile and local national bourgeoise, but if we are talking about groups that killed US soldiers they deserve all the praise unlike the cannon fodder that was Iranian cucks
>>742710>b-b-b-bbbbut one iraqi shia group that famously broke with iran and to this day is despised by them fought the USwow… almost like they did it despite of iran not because of it
shock of maduro is 100x made up by trump repudiating machado
more like muCHUDo
>>742267>>742256>>742251BE immediately regretted it over the fucking ICE deportations which was the thing he thought was going to be based. He's a fucking retard grifter and discussion of him should stay in /isg/.
>>742251Nah he'll just double down and say Trumps good for making america look worse or some shit.
>>742697so proud of our boy. I'm wearing my Roger Waters tour t-shirt rn
>>742724I’m trying to piece together how Delcy Rodriguez got Trump’s endorsement
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