Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?

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Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR? Tomdatinker 18-01-26 04:40:35 No.747524

Did Gorbachev cause the fall of the USSR?
I live in the United States and we were always taught that he did but it was somehow a good thing. I understand that Gorbachev wasn't the one who collapsed it and that it was Yeltsin who did, Gorbachev's reforms just caused it to happen because it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up, but I still think he is somewhat responsible. It was reckless and stupid to abandon Marxism-Leninism for Social Democracy and it was also reckless to let the eastern bloc have elections knowing that the CIA would mess with them which they did. I understand that stagnation was a problem but he should of listened to Deng's advice rather than allow so much nationalist sentiment to brew up and illegally dismantle your country, I understand that the USSR kind of sucked domestically but foreign-policy wise it was the most moral superpower to ever exist, and the bar is very low.

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Anonymous 18-01-26 05:21:58 No.747526

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>>747524
>it caused so much nationalist sentiment to brew up
Nationalist statements were around before Gorby, but they were kept quiet.
>it was also reckless to let the eastern
The eastern bloc was completely fucked up by debt. The USSR couldn't pay its loans, so it let them go.
>CIA
Why CIA? Imho, jews did this, uknow. These guys do a lot of conspiracy things.
>listened to Deng's advice
You mean China-style reforms? Well, Andropov started doing reforms like that. When Gorby came to power he kept going with that kind of reform. It was called 'Uskorenie'… and it fucked up too.

Anonymous 18-01-26 05:35:14 No.747527

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The USSR was always a shithole with negative selection, where the most loyal, not the adequate, got places in the government.

Tomdatinker 18-01-26 05:36:51 No.747528

>>747526
>Nationalist statements were around before Gorby, but they were kept quiet.
Yeah he probably should of kept the quiet
>The eastern bloc was completely fucked up by debt. The USSR couldn't pay its loans, so it let them go.
These countries were sanctioned by the west so much just for having socialist economies to the point that they could not generate enough capital to pay back the west when they borrowed shit. Im not saying that life was "good" in the eastern bloc, I wasn't born yet and my family didn't live there but there has to be a better way then comply or die
>Why CIA? Imho, jews did this, uknow. These guys do a lot of conspiracy things.
Are you joking?!?!?! What kind of ACP bullshit is this?!?!?! I can't tell if you are joking or not but if you aren't then get a life.
>You mean China-style reforms? Well, Andropov started doing reforms like that. When Gorby came to power he kept going with that kind of reform. It was called 'Uskorenie'… and it fucked up too.
Yeah I probably should have been more aquatinted with the information before I made that take.

Tomdatinker 18-01-26 05:38:44 No.747529

>>747527
>The USSR was always a shithole with negative selection, where the most loyal, not the adequate, got places in the government.
MAOIST DETECTED! OPINON REJECTED!
Okay but for real that is kinda true, in fact it I also like the in current Russia and America.

Anonymous 18-01-26 05:45:39 No.747531

>>747524
>muh great man theory

Anonymous 18-01-26 06:02:36 No.747538

>>747527
This one is right. The pic is also edgy and correct. I think jannies will delete your post soon.

>>747528
>These countries were sanctioned by the west so much just for having socialist economies to the point that they could not generate enough capital to pay back the west when they borrowed shit

Nope. They just fucked up with their uskorenie-style reforms. Investments didn't give that amount of income that party expected, so there was no money to pay back the loans.
Also, the eastern block regimes were more like market socialism even before the 80s. I don't think any tankie would call that socialism.

>Are you joking?!?!?!
Yup. The conspiracy theories about the CIA and conspiracy theories about jews are the same thing tho.

Anonymous 18-01-26 06:06:43 No.747539

De-Stalinization caused the fall of the USSR. Gorbachev was only the final stage of that choice.

Anonymous 18-01-26 06:14:59 No.747542

Stalinization caused the fall of the USSR. Gorbachev was only the final stage of that choice.

Anonymous 18-01-26 08:28:56 No.747569

>>747524
He was just extremely incompetent in handling the situation.

Anonymous 18-01-26 08:53:01 No.747577

>>747528
>better way than comply and die
yes,there is always the nuclear option (no not nukes) : finally admit le west wants you dead and they always will,and then you just wipe your debt off and no longer care about the US dollar

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