/siberia/ - Off-topic

The world is generally a terrible place.

what do people do outside?

there's nothing around me but industrial plants, i have to take a bus to get to the nearest "people's place" and the best thing to do there without money is sit or see shit you can't afford and just stare at it wondering if you'd get away with shoplifting it.
(yuo wouldn't)

>>762096
>shoplifting
Damn I miss this

i would never tell you to go outside anon. stay inside and talk to me, the only friend you'll ever need <3

I go outside all the time but I never waste it with other people. I prefer nature parks.
People are so dull.
I've noticed this since elementary school.

Society pressures young people to "socialist" for the sake of conformity.

Never mind that this is why peer pressure is so common

>>762092
Okay…?
So you hate people but are also optimistic? I Am very confused OP

>>762092
This is why I don't do friends unless it's for sex or some kind of ideological goal

There are birds outside.

What does any of that have to do with going outside? When people say to go outside, they're saying you're being oversocialized and need to take some time to process everything unprocessed in your head.

Go take a notebook to a park bench and write stuff until you can achieve mental quiet for more than 5 minutes.

when people say this kind of thing, there a memory in their minds, a sort of cultural residue of a time when you could be open and just say whatever was on your mind with your co-workers or your classmates, or whoever you came across on your daily routine. im not that old, but the older people reading this likely know what i’m talking about. for the younger generation, do you ever notice how older boomers and stuff are more likely to just make conversation out of nowhere even though you’re just trying to get somewhere? it’s weird right? you wonder “why is this person talking to me?” well, before we all retreated to the internet, you had to actually go outside if you wanted to talk to people, and since mostly everybody understood this and was used to this, it wasn’t considered strange at all to make a friend out on the street or in the line at the grocery store. now it’s considered absolutely bizarre and borderline dangerous. this cultural touchstone of “go outside” is so pervasive and ingrained that even young people who have never experienced this phenomenon tell this to each other, even though they all spend inordinate amounts of time on the internet and really only socialize with a few close friends in person.

so when we tell each other “go outside”, we are referring to a social dynamic that doesn’t exist anymore, save for a few places, maybe local bars because people get chatty after having a few drinks, and even then it’s mostly older people who have nobody to talk to or nothing much to do. the other part of “go outside” is the conception that one is spending too much time on the internet talking to strangers. this again is another cultural memory, probably originating sometime in the early 2000s when chatrooms first became big, and someone you knew would start talking about all these strange ideas they encountered while chatting on the internet. you would tell them “you need to go outside” in the sense of “you need to talk to healthy well-adjusted people, and not shut-ins who may have mental health issues”.

well, fast forward to today. the majority of people spend all their free time indoors, playing video games, watching youtube videos or instagram reels, and of course talking to other people on the internet. “touch grass” no longer refers to any kind of reality, but rather has just become an insult, a roundabout way of calling you and your arguments something foolish and out of touch. is there a solution? probably not, the way things are going. parents are just as much victims to this new lifestyle as their children, and children can only grow up and imitate the world around them. there will be people who are still brave enough to ignore all of this and follow their natural instincts, but by and large they are getting harder and harder to find, even if you are one of them.

>>762241
i have a golden retriever who’s very friendly, and every time i take him somewhere, you know what kinds of people are most likely to come up to me and ask me about him? older people. i do get some people my age or younger, but it’s like 80% older people who are willing to approach me and start a conversation. they’re also the ones who like to keep it going, and not just pet my dog and leave. there are a few women around my neighborhood who love saying hi to my dog, but find it incredibly awkward to talk to me, even though i’m just trying to be nice. young people aren’t even sociable at events anymore, they just walk around in little groups and keep to themselves. i’m someone who who likes to go to concerts and events pretty often, i can’t stand talking to people on the internet, and everywhere i go the patterns are pretty much the same.

>Also it’s not the Internet that caused a socialization, but rather stranger danger
young people do this to each other now. all they do is talk shit about other people. just look at this thread. the internet makes it easy to think that everyone is stupid and that it’s better to just isolate yourself. i’ve never once had a younger person chat me up like you’re trying to assert, even when we have something to talk about.

>>762096
I used to go to the mall and window shop a lot, I would just vacantly stare at all the commerce products and wonder to myself "is there anything else, is there nothing more" it was this serious issue I had, I would just go and linger around and mutter "fuck consumerism and capitalism" under my breathe and one time somebody noticed. There was this guy in a suit, and he was visibly angry at me, it was kind of funny.

That reminds me of something related. It's really similar I think and pretty much the same thing. Nobody ever really told me to just "go outside" that often, but for some reason throughout my life people have told me to "do something" or they ask constantly "what do you do" I even had this little 12 year being a shithead to me and constantly laughing like a little gremlin asking me over and over "what do you do" MY GOD, I worked full time, sometimes 12 hour days, and I went to school on the side, and I did a few other things, what the fuck? why does everyone say this to me? for some reason it never mattered what I did, by default I just "never did nothin' (anything)

I felt like it was some low I.Q. kind of folksy redneck kind of colloquial thing to sputter off and say, it just made absolutely no sense.

Fuck, my mother would always scream this at me. I was literally "doing" all sorts of things in front of her all the time and she just screamed at me "DO SOMETHING" all the time. While where we lived was a really small country town in the middle of nowhere (no, it wasn't like another district that was close to a city, it was literally nowhere)

with hardly any opportunities, jobs or education. Also, there was a huge snowstorm and I was stranded for like most of the winter because of how bad it was. I'm like reading important books, and playing the guitar in front of her, I am actually really productive, but no "DO SOMETHING"

I remember literally studying school work in front of my roommate and he just comes up to me and puts his face over the school work and yells "DO SOMETHING" like wtf? the stupidest fucking thing.

It's like that saying "Get r' done" that used to be really popular.

they wanna cash u outside howbowda

>>762262
it sounds like your typical anti-intellectual mentality, where reading isn’t anything of substance to these people. they probably could only conceive of life as drinking, partying, having sex, etc. also due to capitalist brainwashing, we bully and berate each other into thinking that if you’re not making money, then you’re not doing something “productive”, because in their minds, money only exists to engage in hedonic behaviors, and human beings only exist to satisfy those things, and being “rich” is the vehicle which you should strive for. it reminds me of how americans see housing and food as a privilege. typical slave mentality where you should either be submissive to capital or be the boot that’s keeping people in service to you.

I have some more insights. I had a friend whose mother would scream at him to "go outside" all the time. Like I was there, I witnessed it. He was pretty introverted and like staying home in the basement on his computer all the time, but his mom would come around and just scream "go outside!" and that's practically what he did when he was younger I guess, he used to just wander the street doing random things.

It was a small town though, so I guess it was some kind of tradition really, but it was such a boomer thing to say. It wasn't like that growing up at all, at least for me. I did wander around outside sometimes too, but I had people trying to beat me to death all the time, so it was really dangerous for me. For me it was like growing up in the hood or something, you didn't just wander around or you'd probably get into crime or violence.

A lot of people are really irrational I have learned and don't really make much sense. That's just how irrational and stupid the average person is.

You don't even try to explain things to people. Like I had people yell at me to get a girlfriend all the time too, that's all they would say "go get a girlfriend" but I didn't know how, among other factors. It's like, you try to explain why you want them to go outside, and what to actually do when you go outside, like do constructive things, try to find people playing sports, go and talk to people, make friends. But no, it's just "go outside!!!"

>>762265
well yes, it's obviously pretty anti-intellectual I think. I experienced a lot of behavior like that growing up, where I think the sentiments originate from blindly following traditions, but it's just how much a lot of people don't make much sense.

>>762092
Dude. It's real weird. I'm outside a lot. In the gym frequently, I hit bars that seem "welcoming" to solo guys, Im in places online trying to make friends and my social+romantic life amounts to shit. If society's as ill as a shit hole like USA is I dont think going outside matters. …Or I just smell and Im ugly and if I cant get rich or get tf outta USA, I'll just have to SUI.

>>762265
The thing is, you can make money as a musician, and I did master the guitar among other things, and it can be good to read books. It gives you something to talk about which can help you network with the right people, or just help you understand the world. It's like self educating yourself. I tried explaining that to my mother, but she's the most irrational person I have ever met. The other people, I don't even know, they never listened to me either. I had people saying I didn't do anything growing up all the time, like a lot of friends and such. I see it sort of as a lower class thing to do almost. But it sort of reminds me of how Donald Trumps dad would berate his brother for "driving a bus with wings" (being a air pilot for a living) he probably thought that he didn't "do anything" either. But at least he was intelligible about to it an extent.

Yeah maybe it's being the boot that keeps people in service of you, I don't really know, I just don't understand how I was in school full time or working full time and people still said I didn't do anything.

I have developed other theories on it. It is like a form of slavery for sure, but it's hard to describe, some people are incapable of comprehending any form of individuality and the like, and they almost want you walk around, dance, and jig-around. Like you have to be in literal sync with everyone else, how you talk move, and behave like to the beat of a drum the same as everyone else, or it fails to compute for them.

But I don't know it was definitely a form of conformity either way. That's why I don't think America is actually all that bad. I don't live in America currently, but my experiences with Americans is that they were able to see me as an individual more easily compared to most other people.