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debunk these or AI won

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>>771757
Strawman argument, false equivalency, appeal to emotion.
Done, debunked.

>>771757
it's completely ethical to misgender AI slop posters

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>>771757
I am growing tired of this shit, speaking honestly, family. Now, on to brass tacks:
  1. Just because a member of a supposed group, or movement, or ideology, conducts himself in a rude and offensive manner, doesn't mean that every person in that group behaves in the same way. Furthermore, while I sympathize with the catgirl, the fact remains that she is a proponent of AIslop, and as of yet, such people are not a protected class. Thus, I have no reservations about referring to her in a manner to which she may be insulted, as long as said manner makes no affront against any protected status she may actually inhabit (like being a catgirl). At best, I would suggest to this person who is characterized as "Anti-AI" that he say the following instead:
>AI chick, AI chick, hahaha
Thereby respecting her pronouns.
  1. Virtually anything can be used as a pretense for bullying. See White Supremacy, see video game culture, see religious beliefs, etc. Furthermore, AIsloppers are worse than bullies, they're thieves. Futher-uthermore, I doubt that every AIslopper is some humanitarian angel who has never so much as uttered profanity. I don't buy it, and I think that they often times try to provoke a response by constructing poorly thought out or deliberately bad-faith arguments while feigning ignorance and retardation for the sake of priming someone's burners.
  2. I have yet to see a good argument in favor of AIslop, so that one may possibly find a set of weak arguments as made by AIsloppers is not compelling to me in the slightest, and moreover, this is yet another example of bad-faith heckling and chortling by the AIslop-loving community.
  3. Shrek doesn't look like that in the slightest, get out of his swamp. Also, it may technically be true that "AI art" can be characterized as "art" it's more accurate to say that it's just garbage and not worth being considered actual art, because it was made by a point matrix diffusion map to render an image with mathematical precision, as opposed to something handcrafted by a human being.

>>771773
>Also, it may technically be true that "AI art" can be characterized as "art" it's more accurate to say that it's just garbage and not worth being considered actual art, because it was made by a point matrix diffusion map to render an image with mathematical precision, as opposed to something handcrafted by a human being

Then I guess Photoshop and CGI aren't art then

>>771775
>photoshop
Does anyone actually consider images made in photoshop to be art? Does anyone actually consider CGI to be art? And isn't CGI usually made by humans, like character models and environments and such, and it's just like some kind of software engine that animates all? So, those things might be low quality or whatever, but they're still made by humans, and not churned out by an algorithm, so they're not the same.

I dunno, dawg, it's like… I don't care. AI is just for lazy people, at some point it loses its novelty, so I don't see the appeal of making cookie-cutter images when I could git gud at drawing instead. It's like, maybe a drum kit can make good beats, right? And you can use those beats to make tracks to rap over, right? And that's fine and everything because it serves its purpose, but why are we even comparing that to playing drums? They're not even the same thing, so it's like, they shouldn't even be directly compared.

Why are sloppers so desperate to be acknowledged as artists anyway? The barrier to entry is so low, that if you can make it appealing to use AI without any additional effort, like, it just produces exactly what you want with a specific prompt, then suddenly everyone will be an artist and art will lose its economic value, which will shift the "art meta" to something similar to a social media popularity contest, where only the most popular memeshit "art" ever gets noticed, much less consumed by anyone.

So, like, this whole "debate" is fucking gay already. It's like, go ahead and make your slop, I don't care, and really, I never cared, it's just an incredibly dumb conversation at this point, and all so you can, what exactly? Make media at a faster pace and therefore somehow be more competitive? You don't care about art, you just want legitimacy so you can aspire toward a beneficial economic outcome for yourself.

>pay me
<i draw
>don't pay me
<i don't draw

i don't care about AI that much, i just don't wanna do stuff without people paying me because i'm poor

>>771775
CGI is a tool, not art. At that tool is only rarely used for art, at it's most technically proficient (original Jurassic Park. FF:The Spirits Within)
Like other tools it is mostly used to produce commodity.

>>771784
>So, those things might be low quality or whatever, but they're still made by humans, and not churned out by an algorithm, so they're not the same.


The AI churned out by algorithm still requires manual editing.

>>771787
Pro capitalist aren't we

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>>771797
For now, but what the AI companies want is to make an AI that will produce better and more refined output so that it doesn't need editing. Besides, sloppers don't do any editing, they just prompt and prompt and prompt and prompt until they get something that approximates what they want the closest. Besides, the human element might make the resulting image of better quality, in the sense that it's free of visual errors or whatever, but the machine still did the vast majority of the work, and you're just taking the "art" made by a motherfucking appliance and ensuring that people won't immediately vomit at the sight of it. Besides, you can cry all day about how you're a legitimate artist, but I reiterate, you're actually crying about not being able to convince others that the slop you produce is worth being consumed, because what you really what is a return on investment, i.e. money, green, cheddar, dough, ducats, scratch, dubloons, etc. because you want a cushy desk job experience where you sit in a temperature controlled room on a desktop and "work" maybe 4 hours of your day and earn enough to furnish a bourgeois lifestyle with the smallest amount of effort possible.

ragebait award

>>771806
RAGEBAIT?!
WHO'S ANGRY?? I'M NOT ANGRY!
I'M PERFECTLY EMOTIONALLY NEUTRAL RIGHT NOW!
WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT I'M EXPERIENCING ANY TINGE OF ANGER AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME???!!!

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>>771784
This one was made by pouring in a literal mould in a factory

>>771757
Sorry, there are no girls on the internet.

I insists on itself

LLMs are just glorified chatbots that don't actually think at all. And we are nowhere closer to AGI at all. Watch this video.

>>771757
last file is literally me

>>771797
>Pro capitalist aren't we
iPhone argument. Communism is not about personal morals and ethics

>>771823
you don't know anything about fountain do you

>>771848
Enlighten me

cogsuckers get the wall

Ai is for retards

>>771886
So is my penis but your mom isn't complaining!

AI only produced one great gem.
here it is.

If AI can't make art, what is this called?

>>771912
that's what you call omega magatard cope, the equivalent of some kid trying to save face by shouting I'M NOT CRYING I'LL FUCKING SMASH YOU as tears streak down his face

>>771757
there's nothing to debunk. AI art is low status.
the whole debate vaguely avoids this because talking openly about status is freak behavior. (which is why we'll confine it to leftypol.org)

>>771784
the art meta is already a (mostly social media) popularity contest. getting abstract: art is just communication. it can raise or lower the social status of its creator and its consumers. there's already a sliding scale here where people clearly respect 2d artists more than 3d artists. whether AI art constitutes "art" or not is a meaningless debate because it turns into a supply and demand problem: AI slop is oversupplied relative to demand, while competent human art is usually undersupplied. if you want to know why people pay a thousand dollars to commission a specific person, you want to look at the person and not their work.

AI artists think they're mad about art, the commodity, but what they're really mad about is not getting social status. (this is true of most people who identify a certain lack in their life. if only i had a gf, if only i had a better job, a nicer house, a bigger car… unless the commodity you're pining for is insulin, odds are the root of your problem is social rather than physical.)

>>771823
the ultimate proof that it's all a matter of social categorization.
as a social gesture, putting a urinal in a gallery goes a lot further than typing "anime girl, big tits, highest_quality" into perchance.


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