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People want to fuck the hello kitty mascot characters?
>>774165i wish i could look like a cute sanrio character so girls would give me lots of attention
>>774166Which Sanrio character would you be? Personally, I think I would be Cinnamoroll.
What is the materialist explanation for this?
>>774181Good character design and mass exposure.
>>774169Whichever one is most frequently printed on girls' panties
>>774165there are people who don't?
^__^ very cute images itt
>>774617It was a mistake to look whats inside.
>>776603
Explain
>>776603>>776606It's because they're obviously
hairless.
>>776611Obviously what?
I’ve been seeing the P word thrown around for chibi/kawaii characters far too much
>>776611>hairless ness means child therefore pedoI’m starting to think the fear of “pedophilia” is really just jealousy/hatred of youthful beauty
>>776606>>776611They have toddler proportions and are generally child coded
Normal men are attracted to prime pamela anderssen and sasha grey
>>776630Nah humans are way lankier than that even when young.
>>776630bruh, they dont have child proprtions. this is chibi.
there are adult midgeys whom have this physique
>>776591this is the same question one could ask of furries and sexual anthropomorphism of machines
>>776665furries tend to overemphasize sexual characteristics, if anything they're the opposite of being pedophiles.
>>776630>They have toddler proportions not even close. toddlers have significantly different head size to body ratios and look weird af. These bunnies' heads are literally the same size as their bodies, it's a body type that's impossible in real life, and they got chunky bodies and are caked up. Not to mention that their eyes occupy 70% of their heads
>are generally child codedcute =/= child coded
>>776684thank you for this.
the whole pedo hysteria is driven mainly by witnessing cutesy characters rather than chomos.
>>777214
By that logic, furry is just bestiality
>>777245Japanese adulthood is overworking.
Why is it so bad for people accept some moe?
It’s not the fear/hate of adulthood itself.
Irony is, America promotes more an anti-maturational sentiment.
>>777245This accusation of moe/kawaii promoting infantilism is a popular urban myth promoted by spooked people.
>>777259Escapism is reactionary and plays into the hands of the bourgeoisie.
Art should be aspirational, not escapist.
>>777271>Look at this extremely niche subculture within a subculture that up until recently was also quite niche compared to the overall demographic of people that watch animation from / inspired by Japan and surrounding countries.Tor abuser once again failing to say anything relevant due to twitter poisoning.
>>777273>Art should be aspirational, not escapistEscapism is bad but this is extremely retarded as a thesis. There is nothing that art "should" be, because art is just a broad collection of forms of communication. You are engaging in a form of art by typing words onto the screen.
Also you two were the ones to bring up moe. Moe does not encompass all cute things, not even in the context of anime.
>>777276Manga and especially anime have heavily pandered to otakus since at least the 2000s, because most of their revenue is generated by "whales", who buy physical media and other collector's items at inflated prices.
https://web-japan.org/trends/business/bus050830.html >>777271I’m saying that you’re exaggerating that kawaii/moe being the buggest obsession of otakus.
Those examples you listed are outliers.
That’s liking saying that all patrons of Disney media are Disney Adults.
>>777273Irony is, this sentiment you have is exactly how a lot of people end up in bourgeois hands.
This obsession with wanting to “change the world” this hatred of art for the sake of leisure.
Everything has to be aspirational. No one is allowed to be utilitarian.
And yet, the same people that want art to be aspirational often have poor cognition of practical affairs
>>777273Irony is most aspirational art is escapist.
Aspiration is the most active form of escapism because it substitutes meatspace for mindspace for praxis.
A lot of of aspiration ends up as reactionary praxis such as the QAnon cult
>>777281Some, yeah. Full blown otakus are usually whales as you say, especially neetakus.
But that's
some, not all, since anyone can make a manga, and anime gets made of what catches a studio's interests (taking several factors into consideration, not just what whales like)
>>777281The same could be said about western comics with superheroes
>>777283Moe is pervasive enough throughout every post-2000 anime in artstyle alone. Slice of life, ecchi/harem, other seinen, effectively every genre marketed towards an older male audience usually feature significant moe in one form or another. There is a for reason /jp/ hailing Kanon as the genesis of modern otaku culture.
>>777290You mean western comics also have copious sexualization/fanservice and frequently feature the perspectives of a comic-obsessed manchildren? I don't remember reading that as a child.
>>777311>demon slayer>stein's gate>whatever anime Megumin came from idkThat's not even moe that's just characters you personally find cute. Like if you mean the authors have probably watched moe stuff or they're handled by the same animation studios that make moe stuff then sure, I can see that. Otherwise I think you're overscoping your thesis here.
>>777314I just picked these off a "30 most moe characters of all time" listing, but i'm willing to defend all of them:
>demon slayerI think the artstyle and plot speak for themselves. She's an imouto, that needs to be "protected" and i seem to remember they have her stumble around like a puppy at some point.
>konosubaShe literally collapses regularly from mana exhaustion and is helpless while needing to be carried.
>bakemonogatariI don't know about this one, but the show has a vampire loli needing to be fed, so still case in point.
>mayuriHer status as a moeblob is contested, yet the narrative about saving her, her exagerrated emotions and her uncoditional affection to the point of looking like neurodivergence clearly push her into this younger sister role.
>k-onAverage seinen slife-of-life.
>toradoraThe conflict of the show comes mainly from her clumsiness and inability to take care of herself.
>>777377It sounds like the crux of moe is squandering the potential of a character, but using the fact that they're cute to distract the audience from the fact that they could've done more.
Like the cute character (usually being female) is robbed of the opportunity to aura farm the way a male character might be afforded.
>>777470They're cute/moe precisely *because* of their lack of agency.
>>777322This demonic yakubian witch is *not* cute, she probably participated in lynching picnics in her youth
>>777278>le art is just whatever dude it's just like, ih words and pictures and shit maaaangAll speech is political, including art and philosophy, therefore it is possible for art to have correct or incorrect politics
Read lenin
>>777514Then say that. That escapism is an ultimately incorrect conclusion and that aspriation is better. Saying "[medium] should have one message and not the other" buries it under so many layers of abstraction it's nonsensical.
And people on this board say that the nuclear bombs were unjustified.
>>777514anyone who thinks that art is inseparable from politics are not artists and cannot be taken seriously. This sentiment is to art what Lysenkoism is to science
>>780490to elaborate further: it is extremely annoying when philosophers try to retroject their abstracted philosophy into other field of human endeavor. It is annoying when Hegel did it (on anthropology), it is annoying when Marx did it on the arts and it is annoying when Nietzsche via Deleuze did it on fluid dynamics. Philosophers need to develop epistemic humility and stop assuming that they have discovered the grand unifying theory lest they end up being like religious scholars
>>780490Art's gonna have some politics attached, but not every political interpretation of a work automatically holds water simply for being political.
You might not be able to squeeze a commentary about global apartheid out of a doodle of a rabbit, but the fact that it's a doodle of a rabbit vs some other rodent like a hyrax might say something about what animals an author thinks about regularly, which is geographical usually.
>>780491If you are expressing your worldview via art, which all art expressing a narrative must do, you are engaging in politics. Of course Kirby getting fellatio on his 12 foot cock has no meaningful expression of higher values.
>>780492when leftoids say that all art is political they don't mean " all artistic expression will inevitably reflect the thrown-ness of the artist, including their class composition"
no, they literally meant that unless your movie is not ended with the characters staring at the screen for 10 minutes and sermonizing left wing virtues then it is worthless. This is what anons like
>>777273 meant when they said that art should be aspirational. This is why Bertold Brecht is the most unsubtle motherfucker ever and why he got triggered when his viewers developed their independent interpretation of his works, like when Germans viewed Mutter Courage as a strong feminist character and not as a parody of Germany's warmongering petit bourgeoisie
>>780497it is also this view of art as political which created the whole problematic art discourse. When art becomes nothing more than a pedagogical mechanism it is not enough to ban artistic works with the wrong political/spiritual message, you must actively hunt any artistic works that
can be interpreted wrongly. This is why Leftists (or just terminally online political activists in general) keeps crashing out at innocuous media slop. Think of right winger crashing out whenever they see a black actor on screen, or why leftoids keep crashing out at any depiction of tits online. Don't laugh, art is very srs business
>>780501>leftoids keep crashing out at any depiction of tits online.The rest of your points are fair but I've never seen this happen, not even on twitter. It's only ever rightoids compaining about boobs. That said, early 2014 tumblr had a lot of examples of the left trying to overcorrect, like "don't call it dreadlocks" discourse.
>>777311> moe is pervasive in all animeI find this kinda hard to believe.
May as well complain about power scaling and roided out villians
>You mean western comics also have copious sexualization/fanservice and frequently feature the perspectives of a comic-obsessed manchildren? I don't remember reading that as a child.I take it you don’t know about Betty Boop or MLP and a lot of the skimpier outfits of superheroines
>>777311> crashing out over youthful looks>>780501This is so true except for you complaining about leftists getting triggered over boobs.
That’s the right
But the. Again, the left has also whined about fanservice
>>777377This is isn’t really much of phenomenon though in shonen
It’s more slice of life
Also you assuming that Demon Slayer is moe just because of artstyle alone is laughable
>>780497This.
The people who politicize art are often the same people who miss the most points about art
>>777497Wrong
There’s a lot of characters who lack agency that are hated
>>780540I disliked how oversexualized and pornographic Western culture became, but I just blamed men because they're the ones who want it.
>>780975>muh porn and sexualizationMillennials and Gen Z have become even more reactionary towards sexthsn boomers
I think stranger danger and me too has fried their brain making them deprived of sexual/romantic prospects making them into miserable bastards
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