There is no way that you can justify something like this, they were willing to work out a peace treaty before then, America just wanted to flex its imperial might.
Social chauvinists really reveal their ugly face when they virtue signal about the massacres of Japanese workers by western imperialists but celebrate those same massacres against German ones in Dresden
Vea Victus Germania
>>777425Are referring to Dresden? Because with Dresden it was a bit overkill but there was a strategic military goal with it, when it comes to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki it was just to punish the civilians.
>>777428Liberal say use the same cope with Hiroshima and their claim is just as valid considering there were military installations there
Liberals and socdems are two sides of them coin
>>777440
This but for the bombs I dropped on your mom's ass xd
>>777424https://akarlin.com/nuclear-altruism/
>The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is honestly one of the single most effectively altruistic actions in all of human history.
>By helping persuade the Japanese to surrender (they were open to doing that with preconditions, but that was hilariously at odds with the military balance by mid-1945), the Americans helped make the world a much better place.
>(1) Military death estimates for the invasion of Japan ran into the hundreds of thousands, which would have been equivalent to America's military deaths for the entirety of World War II. The US was under no obligation to sacrifice masses of its troops to spare citizens of a country that had underhandedly initiated war against them.
>People who are against nuking the Japanese hate Americans.
>(2) The USSR would have lost tens of thousands of soldiers occupying Hokkaido and perhaps northern Honshu (only to lose said Hokkaido People's Republic in c.1991 anyway).
>People who are against nuking the Japanese hate Russians.
>(3) Japanese troops were still occupying Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, and large parts of China. Japanese occupation was not nice. A timely Japanese surrender saved many Allied troops and third country civilians.
>People who are against nuking the Japanese hate Chinese and other East Asians.
>(4) Previous fire bombings killed more Japanese than the two atomic bombs.
>So what even makes nukes so revolting to many people? They're just more efficient at their job.
>(5) An Allied invasion of the home islands would have killed millions of Japanese civilians, or an order of magnitude more than were killed by the atomic bombs.
>People who are against nuking the Japanese hate the Japanese.
>(6) Showboating American nuclear capabilities to Stalin made the Soviet dictator warier of taking more liberties with the Western Allies in Europe. Since the postwar USSR was a depopulated wreck, while the much wealthier and reinvigorated US was accumulating dozens of nukes per year (thousands from the late 1940s), this must have reduced the risks of a Russian atomic genocide, which quite a few American generals were calling for.
>People are who against nuking the Japanese really, really hate Russians.
>Moreover, all of this truly psychopathic hatred comes wrapped up in supercilious moralization.
>But I for one would like to take a moment of my day to thank the brave American aviators who nuked the Japanese. Glory to Atom!
>PS. It is now commonly accepted that the Soviet invasion of Manchuria - or more precisely, the Japanese losing any hopes of the USSR intermediating a more favorable peace with the Americans - played no less a significant role in prompting the Japanese to accept unconditional surrender. However, the nuclear bombing did help things along - Japan's civilian leaders were truly demoralized by it - and in any case, the American perspective that nukes could force the Japanese to peace was a perfect reasonable one. leftists will say shit like "nuke tel aviv" then treat the genocidal rape empire that was imperial japan as poor widdle victims, literally just because of anime
>When USA firebombs cities :|
<When USA uses a small nuclear weapon on a city >:O
>>777428>Hiroshima and Nagasaki it was just to punish the civilians.Wrong. Hiroshima was a staging and logistics hub for 2nd army that defended entire southern Japan from invasion and Nagasaki was military-industrial hub with a deepwater port. Imperial Japan could have saved these civilians by surrendering or by not launching an imperialist war against most of Pacific countries.
I dont care anymore. I used to find americans disgusting the way they gloat about nuking japan but now seeing that Japs still deny or try to clean their barbarism during Ww2 well they can just go fuck themselves
>>777463>russian guy who moves to AmericaIt's almost always gusano types that are the most fanatic american exceptionalists
Liberal individualists don't like collective punishment because they see everyone as an atom in the vacuum. Collectivists understand we all contribute to society. If that society is harmful, we're responsible. If the victorious Chinese communists decided I had to be sent to a human experiment lab then I'd have no basis to disagree.
>>777467Nobody on the left is serious about nuking Tel Aviv, and they justifying the crimes of imperial Japan, America covered up those too, the truth is that civilians are not collectively responsible for the actions of the State, and said state already offered a peace treaty before anyway.
>>777471It is true that the fire bombing of Tokyo was more deadly but almost every bombing afterwords has not amounted to the nukes, more people have been killed in one day in Hiroshima than the entire Gaza genocide so far.
>>777472It is true that Japan should not have launched the war in the first place but they did and they offered a peace treaty before anyway so it was completely unnecessary to nuke them.
>>777478Japan should acknowledge their crimes, I agree! But that doesn’t justify Americas actions, and the government of Japan is an American vassal anyways and America helped Japan cover up their crimes too so America plays a role in this.
>>777479You are insane get help
>How can anyone possibly justify the Atomic Bombing of Japan?
Easely.
t. liberal from 1789
The nukings of Japan were entirely superfluous. Japan was going to surrender anyways with no islands left besides the main island, and their last holdings in the mainland taken by the Soviets.
The Soviet's entry into the Japanese front was the end for them, the firebombing of Tokyo was devastating. It was joever for Japan before the idea of dropping nuclear weapons even crossed America's mind.
>>777424Everyone should have cyanide and drugs to not become an ant walker in the case of a nuclear bombing or a burn victim / radiation sick survivor
Everyone should have a right to suicide for such a situation or have the drugs to be able to bear the pain if they wish to live
>>777485A personal lethal dose of cyanide, opium or heroin and any recreational substances to do with the mental trauma.
People being forced to remain alive with radiation sickness and burns is an indescribable cruelty, look at what happened to Hisashi Ouchi, he suffered arguably the most painful death in all of human history, all because he was denied adequate drugs or to be able to choose to end his own life.
>>777486I would argue the case of Hisashi Ouchi is the highest form of human rights abuse and torture.
And with the very real possibility of nuclear weapons being used - it could happen to anyone that survives such an event.
>>777486And anyone trying to cover up the fact by saying "he wished to remain alive with his family" - that is a blatant lie, his last verbal words literally being "I can’t take it anymore, I am not a guinea pig".
>>777487>>777486Nukes are less radioactive and more precise nowadays. Even if they weren't, nobody would die like Ouchi. In the Goiania Acident, where people ate radioactive material, the most affected people were exposed to 6 Sv, during the Hiroshima bombing, survivors of the initial blast received 7 Sv. Ouchi was in the middle of a nuclear fission and was exposed to 17 Sv, more than three times the lethal dose of radiation.
Man socdem (liberal) cruelty and imperialism apology never ceases to amaze
>>777492Can you guarantee that in the advent of nuclear war that there would be no suffering survivors? I feel like that's purely speculative at this point. Not even talking about the billionaires in big bunkers, but the common people.
>>777480>Nobody on the left is serious about nuking Tel Avivthey should be
>>777521They were on the brink of surrender but they never announced it so I guess you could say that America wouldn’t have known before the first one, America could of at least warned them to see if they would stop first because all they did was vaguely tell them to surrender or face “prompt and utter destruction” however Japan did offer a conditional surrender after the first Nuke so it was 100% unjustified to do it a second time, especially because America literally kept the Emperor anyways!
>>777429Not comparable at all. Don't be a dishonest little bitch.
>>777463No, this is extreme cope at best, and US imperialist propaganda at worst. They were already going to surrender. The bombs were civilian massacres and nothing else, just like the overwhelming majority of bombing campaigns by the US.
>>777537>Japan did offer a conditional surrender after the first NukeIt did not.
>America literally kept the EmperorHe had to denounce his divinity.
>>777485Ant Walkers are fake as fuck dumbass. Jap propaganda.
>>777541>It did not.Yes they literally fucking did.
>He had to denounce his divinity.He should of been punished for his crimes.
>>777424The nukings are entirely unjustifiable. But the more important question is why many (not all) but too many Asians see themselves as white adjacent despite whitey finding new insane ways to kills them so often.
>>777617Show us. If they really did, why don't you just show us in a history book or something? It should be so very easy to show that they did. But they did not. They only offered a conditional surrender on the 10th of August, a day after Nagasaki.
>He should of been punished for his crimes.Guess what some of the conditions were.
>>777647Oh wait you were right, my bad I got it wrong, the conditional surrender was on the 10th which was after both of them. They still should of warned Japan about the first one.
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