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>ruins the reputation of communism in the minds of normies forever

Yeah, blame one of the most successful socialist projects who industrialised a semifeudal country and liberated millions and ended nazi germany and indirectly gave social welfare to the normies you talk about and don't blame the bourgeois anticommunist propaganda machine who would've worked the same way without the USSR

more like pseudebria

>>777815
>don't blame the bourgeois anticommunist propaganda machine
IT'S DA CAPITALIST/CIA/MOSSAD NOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENED IN THE USSR

>>777815
If revolution had actually taken place in the first world as well during the 1910s-1940s would the USSR have made it? Did they fail because of having to go against the most powerful country in the world, or was trying to skip the line into socialism without the full development of the productive forces of capitalism the fatal flaw? (Genuine question)

>>777815
go back to reddit

>>777817
Not what I said, there were some bad things in the USSR, just like in any other country, but why there isn't a visceral hate for France and capitalism as there is for the USSR?
>>777822
First, the second didn't happened

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>>777815
You know who else industrialized a semifeudal country? Every bourgeois country in the world through the capitalist mode of production.

You know who else "liberated millions" and ended nazi germany? Every bourgeois allied power.

You know who else gave social welfare to normies? Every bourgeois socialdemocrat.

>>777827
Ehh the USSR killed an order of magnitude more nazis than the other allies. sure, the us was important in the pacific theatre, but of negligible impact against the nazis.

>>777827
>You know who else "liberated millions" and ended nazi germany? Every bourgeois allied power.
Not without the USSR lol. The other points are right but this is braindead.

>>777828
>Ehh the USSR killed an order of magnitude more nazis than the other allies.
You know who killed the most nazis? The bourgeois third reich which sent them to die.

>>777827
>You know who else gave social welfare to normies? >Every bourgeois socialdemocrat.
These concessions were only allowed to happen due to the USSR and other popular republics. The bourgeoisie knew there would be revolutions if they did not give welfare to the proletariat. Now that the USSR doesn't exist anymore see how the welfare state is decaying everywhere in Europe, even in countries ruled by the socialdemocrats
>You know who else "liberated millions" and ended nazi germany? Every bourgeois allied power.
The bourgeoisie didn't liberate proletariat from their rule and fascism couldn't have been beaten without the USSR
>You know who else industrialized a semifeudal country? Every bourgeois country in the world through the capitalist mode of production.
Well yeah? 100-200 years ago? They haven't industrialized much in Africa anyways (I wonder why?)

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>>777831
>Well yeah? 100-200 years ago? They haven't industrialized much in Africa anyways
Uyghurs are retarded.

>>777831
>These concessions were only allowed to happen due to the USSR and other popular republics.
>The bourgeoisie knew there would be revolutions if they did not give welfare to the proletariat.
That's why they abolished the monarchy themselves and tried to form a parliamentary style bourgeois democracy right before the october revolution, backed by the mensheviks.
You know who else likes social welfare? The mensheviks.

>The bourgeoisie didn't liberate proletariat from their rule and fascism couldn't have been beaten without the USSR
The USSR didn't liberate the proletariat either, they made a retreat into bourgeois liberal democracy. The proletariat can only be liberated by the end of class society and the self-abolition of the proletariat as a class.

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>>777831
I can tell you watch Second Thought and Hakim, uyghurfaggot. Yes, the USSR had social welfare, that doesn't make it communism.

>>777833
>The proletariat can only be liberated by the end of class society and the self-abolition of the proletariat as a class.
Well,.okay… I meant liberating them from the bourgeois dictatorships…
>>777834
I didn't (I don't watch youtube) but I admit that I have only read the manifesto and online discussions of people who have probably watched

>>777835
The manifesto is toilet paper bro, if reading Capital is too boring or difficult read the simplified version of anarchist-communist Carlo Cafiero which was approved by Marx himself with a letter of thanks
https://www.marxists.org/archive/cafiero/1879/summary-of-capital.htm
its only a synthesis of the first volume, but its a good summary

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>>777836
And this was after the split of the first international

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>>777835
Then you need to read more. Everything you're saying is retarded, it's all the same tired "THE SOVIET UNION RAPIDLY INDUSTRIALIZED" reddit ML shit we've seen time and time again.
No, the Soviet Union did not liberate workers from bourgeois dictatorship. The working class was still very much dispossessed of the means of production, still was subject to wage labour, and this is obvious if you read Capital or look into the Soviet Union's economy.
Please do read more, because right now you're adding nothing of value to online leftist discourse.

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>>777838 NTA
Online "leftist" (left wing of capital) discourse is full of bullshit anyway, you can hardly ever have a productive discussion online, go talk in person or send a delegate from org to org.
Midwits waiting for the bordigy think they know everything when I know them better than they know themselves.

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>>777839
Yeah, you're right. Admittedly I'm not a Marxist or a communist (I'm an egoist/anarchist), I just enjoy reading Marx and shitposting online about it. Message boards are not a means of organizing for socialists, and that's how it should be I think, it's all for fun in the end.

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>>777836
Okay I will thank you for the recommendation
>>777838
>because right now you're adding nothing of value to online leftist discourse
I don't really care

>>777817
Name one bad thing they did, liberast fag

>>777854
They didn't immidiately abolish commodity production

>>777840
>Admittedly I'm not a Marxist or a communist
We can tell

>>777857
Why would you sage my thread

>>777856
Why do you hate NEP? Why do you defy Lenin? Every decision approved by Lenin is a part of in variance.

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>>777860
Obligatory

>>777862
What were this guys credentials again

>>777863
He had the funnies

>>777863
He used to be conservative but then got a leftist girlfriend who left him after she raped her and this triggered him and started posting these comics

>>777862

that MLL thing seems pretty cool how can I sign up?

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>>777862
You believe Marx was in contradiction with Lenin? You are a denier, falsifier even.


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