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I believe in the potential of humanity. I believe in the human ability of compassion and cooperation. We are still essentially in the dark ages, human civilization is only around 12,000 years old. There has been unprecedented rapid technological development in the past 200 years and it takes time as a species to adjust to all of this. Humanity is going through growing pains as things balance out and the fact is that our species is going to live on for thousands of years more and longer. I fully believe that while our current civilization is decaying and receding and war in the near future with societal decay is inevitable, the society that humans have in the far future will seem utopian compared to our standards now. We have the ability to create a fair and just world, societal systems develop as well as technology does. While the current system is unfair and easy to slip through the cracks, its a first step into the whitepill world of tomorrow. I believe, anons. Humanity is going to make it.

Well I won't see any of it. Fuck this stupid bourgeois earth

I believe the exact opposite, I think humanity has reached its peak in technology evolution and the lifestyle of the modern western citizen is highly unsustainable

These mere facts should concern you:
>the majority of the energy produced by society is still obtained from fossil fuels, there is no real alternative
>every year many lands become infertile and are no longer suitable for agricultural production, meaning there is less food every year while the demand keeps growing
>climate change will make life unbearable in the near future, the earth is becoming hotter every year
>it is statistically probable that one day there will be another global pandemic with high mortality rates, like COVID or black plague it may become a recurring event
>space travel is impossible for humans, our physics models do not make it possible for us to create gravity or bend space
>the global population is growing and economic/political instability is rising everywhere, the citizen of the future will own nothing
>pollution is everywhere and cancer is multiplying, we literally live immersed in microplastics, there is no way this planet will be restored
>homelessness is becoming a common thing, the housing market will become unaccessible for the majority of the population due to constant renovations, no more space for building new ones, property taxes, etc…
>crime is also rising in every major city, meaning the distrust and lack of empathy is turning into normality
In the end, the citizen of the future will be poor, unhealthy and nomadic

The future will have more less similar woes as the pastand present

To dismiss the current era woes as "growing pains"and glorifying the prospect of extensive lifespan is selfish

>>779269
Technology has plateaued.
Most tech development nowadays is just more software update of surveillance systems.
I don't think tech has peaked.


Also,there were far more potent industrial pollutants back then.
We used to make clocks with radium on the dials
We used to have mercury for hats

We also had far worse plagues.

There used to be alot more crime in the big cities that went unreported/unsolved

Also "empathy" is thrown around too much as an inverted slur towards people who dont conform to societal expectations of external affect.

>fatalism
Really?

>>779274
just nitpicking without proving anything wrong

>>779269
crime is not "rising in every major city", absolutely ridiculous claim
also the housing crisis has nothing to do with "constant renovations, no more space for building new ones, property taxes"

>>779294
Explain

>>779303
This.

>>779303
Crime is probably going down because it's harder to get away with stuff and also harder to steal stuff. Security cameras everywhere plus stores keep locking more stuff away also less people carrying cash. Maybe if people really are having less sex then less chance for crimes of passion.

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>>779266
You will be reincarnated. You will experience the far future several lifetimes from now.

>>779261
That game was peak

>I believe in the potential of humanity. I believe in the human ability of compassion and cooperation.

Debunked several times throughout history.

>We are still essentially in the dark ages, human civilization is only around 12,000 years old.


Ok, so what? There are other animals older than our species itself and they don't need a civilization.

>There has been unprecedented rapid technological development in the past 200 years and it takes time as a species to adjust to all of this.


Adjust to what, exactly?

>Humanity is going through growing pains as things balance out and the fact is that our species is going to live on for thousands of years more and longer.


This is such copium.

>I fully believe that while our current civilization is decaying and receding and war in the near future with societal decay is inevitable, the society that humans have in the far future will seem utopian compared to our standards now.


Unlikely.

>We have the ability to create a fair and just world, societal systems develop as well as technology does.


"Fair and just" according to what standard? Who controls these systems?

>While the current system is unfair and easy to slip through the cracks, its a first step into the whitepill world of tomorrow. I believe, anons. Humanity is going to make it.


Make what? What are you blabbering on about?

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I agree with the otter.

recently i saw a mother post about her missing daughter on social media. after a couple of weeks she started getting texts from multiple scammers asking for money saying they had kidnapped the girl

so this is what youre putting your faith in

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If ye desire to know the fate of humanity, look no further than Revelations.. Not, that I believe in God. But understand that the rulers of this world, do. Especially an AI God. And they will do anything in their power to bring about a hellworld, for, it is out of necessity for their own power. Look now as Britain enacts digital ID. Look now as Utah enacts Internet laws. Look previously as they block porn. Yes, there will be increased surveillance. Yes, you will own nothing. Yes, they (may have already) will inject a microchip into your hand or forehead to monitor your financial transactions and whatever bodily functions. You WILL be a slave or if not you then your children or your childrens' children will be especially if you desire to have little fleshpets for your own amusement to enter this questionable world. But whether you like it or not this is the inevitable fate of humanity and it is written in stone. It can only be slowed down, but it cannot be stopped.

Thanks for playing.

>>779446
>>I believe in the potential of humanity. I believe in the human ability of compassion and cooperation.
>Debunked several times throughout history.
you consistently manage to be the most retarded poster in every thread, congratulations

>>779457
It's not through compassion and cooperation that humanity binds itself together but, ultimately, by force and coercion. You absolute buffoon.

the future is basically going down two paths.

  1. dystopia techno feudalism where the poor are worse than peasants and the rich are immortal

  2. a communist utopia where the rich pass out thier money to the poor through various taxes, ubi, charties.

>>779460
That was already said by Chris Langan, but I think we've already passed 2

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>>779459
>>779455
>>779446
>>779274
>>779269
"Blackpillers" think a flower blooming is a blackpill because inevitably that flower is going to die, so it might as well have never been planted. That is to say, nobody gives a flying fuck what blackpillers think about anything.

>>779471
I would rather kill global techno Leviathan in its infancy than clumsily experiment with such paths, yes, because humanity simply cannot be trusted

I would rather decelerate immensely and choose no path at all.

Nothing happens, and guess what?

That's a good thing. In the right context.

Acceleration is only good if you know where you're headed

And you don't

I do though

>>779460
>communist utopia
That makes about as much sense as "a dry rain forest" or "a heterosexual Discord user"

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>>779485

true cum-sm has never been tried


AND Marx pretty much was not a fan of revolutions - he expected capitalists to realise they're overproducing so much stuff they might have handed some out to The G-Man in exchange for a safety net of sorts, leading to the world where scarcity is an exception thing and not the norm.

>>779485
there are more cishet discord users tha you think

>>779471
People always complain about blackpillers but then will complain about how the end times are here because "muh AI"

>>779622
Goomba fallacy

>>779622
I'm not the other guy who answered but I genuinely think heading straightforward to the unknown with these technologies is kind of insane, but of course we absolutely must get to the cutting edge or else god forbid some other nationstate is going to outpace everyone else with this, yes such a good idea

While we're at it why don't we just give all thirdworld nations nukes so they can just destroy this dumbass planet anyway

Wow, this is an interesting thread I just found.

First off, hardly anyone wants to really hear what I have to say probably, but…

For one, I think it's a bit ridiculous that humanity has been around for as long as it has, and yet we've hardly ever had any societies that resemble Marxism. Wherein, there is no extreme classism, or inequality and human beings aren't controlled through the threat of force or sophisticated types of what is virtually mind-control and manipulation. Taking this into consideration then, it is highly likely that the problem perceived by Marx is a lot more complicated and nuanced then we are led to believe. It is just more deeply entrenched you could say I guess. What they call "cooperation" and "compassion" can just as easily be guises for more subtle and less overt forms of sublimation and control.


bad things could happen to me for saying some of the things I do, I guess partially it's because you're supposed to pretend you can't see too clearly, hence the blind seer. But really the book of revelations beast system as it is often referred to as does seem to be on the horizon. I am not saying it's going to happen for sure, but it still is something to be aware of. There is another ancient race that used to exist, the reptilians. There used to be a race of bi-pedal upright human sized lizard people, and at some point reptilian DNA got into the human race. And than, when you look at ancient civilizations like Egypt, it is very clear that they worshiped snakes and everything. It is very possible some of the ruling bloodlines in Egypt had reptilian DNA. (it wasn't all of Egypt) and when you study ancient Egypt, it seems like it is very possible there whole society was formed around ancient mechanisms of various types of control.

It is very likely that the end times beast system will be very similar to ancient Egypt from what I have studied. And probably has ancient ties to it or something. It's also likely that ancient bloodlines rule the world. We're always facing off against attempts to assimilate us into some type of Babylonian, ancient Egyptian or Roman type of rule or societal organization and structure.

Like, ugh.

This is another issue with ancient Egypt. They worshiped the sun essentially, but also the sun represented different things in Egypt. The reason a snake is often in front of the representation of the sun is because many lizards have types of pineal glands on their foreheads and thus the sun roughly stands for or signifies the ancient Egyptians spirituality. Well, I guess you're not supposed to explain it because it's hard to do, but there's lots of different ancient artifacts from different parts of the world, many of whom have some type of focus or significance with the forehead and some type of third eye. There's lots of different beliefs all surrounding the third eye that can even be found in new ageism, but it all originates from ancient Egypt.

I think the sun represented some type of energy, you were like considered spiritually enlightened if you had a third eye and the energy from it is shown as the sun. But from my own experiences, what I really think the whole thing with the sun and the snake and pineal gland is that basically it makes some people prone to almost seeming like they have a bug type of antennas. Basically for sure, when you're getting along with people and you're sharing happiness or joy with one another, it's not your brain for sure. But with these people, it probably is something to do with their brains.

It honestly feels like they have some type of light or beam of energy emanating from their foreheads and they expect or want (it almost seems like they crave it) for you to do it back. Well, due to mass immigration, globalism, and tourism, it started to become this weird thing in my country. It started to feel like I was encountering these 'forehead' people on a regular basis, they would get angry at me all the time and stare at my forehead, and the back of my head (but like the top of my skull where my brain was) because for all intensive purposes, I don't think I have a pineal gland or I'm not a sun whatever it is. I even asked one of them about it and they confirmed, that's what it was pretty much. Now this is often what ends up being what collectivism is. There's different types of collectivism I think, but for some reason more than not often times this ends up being the dominant form of collectivism. A lot of people won't believe me and they'll call me "schizo" and get super pissed (I'm certifiably sane) but whatever, there's tons of evidence that exists which more or less prove this.

But it's just another really shitty fucked up thing that exists out there in the world that most people have absolutely no idea about. I would say I yearn to be a collectivist, but for many reasons (like the above aforementioned) I have to consider myself a staunch individualist.


I just felt like throwing that out there.

I like the idea of a white pill though, I should try to be more positive but I don't know. I don't know if it's really a case of being positive or not exactly, I just see it as realism or a fact of life.

oh and here's the sun again but with a bug this time, just to prove that it is almost like having some type of antennae or something *shivers*

>>779261
Things have already improved a lot. Human life was so much worse in all previous times. Advances in medicine really are magical if you remember that for so many, like Karl Marx's family, life was simply defined by sickness, pain and death. Even for people who weren't particularly sickly, half of their children died before adulthood, almost all for no reason other than "fuck you". This is the number one reason why I never get people who whine about nature. It's a status quo of eternal pain and suffering, even worse for other species. We invented nursing runt of the litter puppies and kittens. They are abandoned to die by their parents in nature.
And then there is the social aspect. While there is still so much barbarism and sadism, especially from americans, zionists and their allies, things did get better in everyday life. I personally witnessed how working class people basically stopped using their fists on each other over stupid disagreements. The powerful also used to be a lot more unrestrained before the october revolution, even if that part got worse since the 70s.

>>780337
The stuff you’re saying is typical conspiracy theory crap.
Also, the reptilian conspiracy makes no sense because where are the genetic markers to prove it?

And why have we not seen any actual reptilians?

>>780346
This. I keep saying that the past has a lot more problems but people wanna act like the past was automatically better/virtuous.

The problem we have is more a lack of economic/industrial autonomy and rampant idealism

Humans really, desperately need to come to terms with the fact of how unique, weird, special, rare we are. And anyone with a consciousness should work towards eliminating suffering, and securing many more millenia of human development.

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Everything is connected
The universe as a whole is alive, and intelligent

>>784157
proof???

>>784157
All paths lead to the grave.

>>784158
Engels (pbuh) said so

>>779385
Reincarnation is real; just not in the way Buddhists or Hindus put forward. It is real on a secular, materialist level. If an arbitrary subset of the universe’s matter can fall into a configuration allowing for a self-aware feedback loop known as consciousness (this configuration is usually a brain, in our experience), and this self-aware feedback loop continues until death, then that means the very same arbitrary subset of matter can fall into that configuration again. However it is difficult to keep track of that arbitrary subset of matter once it disperses and recycles through the environment after its conscious configuration decays (“dies”). Furthermore, each “atom” is not indivisible, but is made of subatomic particles, which themselves have differentiated components, some discovered, some still undiscovered.

The specifics of our universe are not so important. Leave that to the physicists. What’s important for the purposes of this discussion is that matter has a dual nature. Any given material can be described both as distinct (specific, particular) entities which are the sum of their constituent parts and non-distinct (vague, non-particular) entities which are mere fluctuations in a field. This shows that everything which can be described according to its observable physical characteristics and constituent components is subject to the “Ship of Theseus” paradox. I will not describe that paradox because most are familiar with it. It is widely discussed. Moving on: If a brain decays and dies, its component material disperses into the environment. But eventually, on a long-enough time line, a brain made of the same material could re-emerge as a new conscious configuration. However, none of the “memories” of the “past life” would be in-tact. Moreover, there is no metaphysical “karma” system in place. It is entirely random and chance-based. This is quite frightening, because it means that “you” could “come back” as someone with a much more miserable and painful life than you, and there would be nothing “you” could do in this life to prevent this from happening to “you.” This is all very dissatisfying, but there you have it. Secular reincarnation.

The possibility of becoming conscious again in the future, as a different creature, in a different life, puts forward a strong individualist argument in favor of instituting some kind of collective social change to make the average or median life much less miserable. An argument in favor of socialism. No longer are you merely fighting to save future generations, who you will never live to see, from the pain and misery of capitalism. You are fighting to save “you,” in a future life, when “you” “come back.” A doctrine of secular materialist reincarnation, based on the self-aware feedback loop (consciousness) generated in arbitrary, self-aware, configurations of physical matter, therefore can inform scientific socialism by providing an incentive that goes beyond our current lives, and beyond even our own class interests, since, after all, an individual who is bourgeois now may reincarnate as a prole in the future. It also provides an alternative to afterlife doctrines put forward by the organized Abrahamic religions, which hold that the world is merely an illusion, and our real life begins after we die, and our entire life should be dedicated not towards improving the world, but to serving God, and accepting the world for the cruel simulation that it is. A doctrine of secular reincarnation can wed itself to Marxism, and overcome the incentives provided both by Western and Eastern religions, while not at all contradicting historical materialism. After all, if you are conscious now, you can become conscious again, even if you have no memory of your past life, you still suffered through it, and could potentially live future lives as well. This is all the incentive one needs to improve the world, since the world is what gives rise to consciousness. Rather than an immortal “soul” that goes beyond matter, you have simply your material self, which is a subset of the physical universe, and a strong incentive to improve the physical universe towards making life less miserable for your self and your peers, who are stuck in the same situation as you.

This all might sound spooky, anti-materialist, religious, or idealist, but I assure you it is none of those things. It does not in any way contradict what we already know. After all, if a brain becomes damaged, there are observable changes in behavior and personality. Therefore the material basis of consciousness is established. If consciousness comes and goes with self-aware configurations of matter, and such configurations of matter arise from “dead” configurations, then rebirth is demonstrable. It is based not upon the “soul” which is unfalsifiable, and non-material, but upon the characteristics of matter itself, which are not yet fully understood, but nevertheless observable. Having reservations about all this is understandable, but I think there’s a strong incentive to move towards a doctrine of secular reincarnation, both as an incentive towards socialism, and as an incentive away from short-term avarice. Capital’s strangehold over our global economy is largely based on the perverse incentive structures it has built upon the foundational assumption that we only live once, and that in our lives we should accumulate, accumulate, accumulate, without any sort of care for what comes after we die. Indeed, the only reason the ancient religions have stayed relevant for so long is because only they are providing an answer against this incentive, it is simply that their answers are anti-materialist. We must provide a materialist alternative. The doctrine of secular reincarnation achieves precisely that.

Marx said that religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the opium of the masses. The doctrine of secular reincarnation is the opposite. It is a rallying cry to fight with all your might against capitalism in this life, so that when you are born again in the future, without any choice in the matter, you will perhaps not have to fight against it again. It is a rallying cry to overcome the selfish incentives of the competing doctrines of “You Only Live Once,” “Afterlife,” and “Karma-Based/Soul-Based Reincarnation.”


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