/siberia/ - Off-topic

how is israel in any way an example of a healthy society to you

>>779413
Steal Palestinian houses

>Material explanation for all of this?
There isn't one, it's a superstructural and historically unique phenomenon born out of extremely specific circumstances. (There is a material basis – obviously they couldn't do this if they were fucked economically – but not one that suffices as an explanation.)
>Something tells me it’s a lot more complicated than just “they’re welfare queens living off US tax dollars”.
Of course not, typical welfare states don't have particularly high birthrates and neither does the US itself.
>How can we replicate the same conditions so we have more stable families and high birthrates like this?
Be a small ethnic group with supremacist dreams of subjugating all the other ethnic groups in your region as your sole guiding ideology.

Israelis are poor and poor people breed more so that can enslave their children. That is why the best way to combat zionism is to give more money to Israel, that way they will breed less and in a few generations that will have to replace their aging population with arabs reverting decades of palestinian displacement.
https://www.jnf.org/

>>779418
>Be a small ethnic group with supremacist dreams of subjugating all the other ethnic groups in your region as your sole guiding ideology.
How does that affect marriage and birthrates?

It's actually rather poor for the average guy while being a cultural wasteland with nothing else to do but marry and they correct gender realtions + generous social security.

How much of that birth rate is related to the Haredi Jews ?

>>779413
Israelis meet young in the idf and fall for each other after they kill 50 babies

>>779431
This, it's the NEET Jews studying the Torah who have like 9 children by family, the secular Jews have a birth rate similar to most developed countries, someone posted a infographic about this in another thread.

>>779421
shit if i knew the state is working hard to give me all i want and any kid i birth is somehow superior in genes and intelligence to all those pesky arabs, i'd go to work popping 10 zionist kids for the state, knowing each already has a secure home somewhere in future lands

>>779437
i've been hearing hard since 2019 there is a supposed crisis because the orthodox communities do no want to fight at all in the IDF, not ideologically against killing just want to neet, and since their community grows it'll be a future problem unless they're convinced

>>779421
Because you cannot accomplish that goal if you let yourself get outbred by the other groups. Think a little.

>>779437
i agree but i would also add that in the past 10 years right-wing nationalist zionism has also gone way more mainstream and they strongly encourage large families.

>>779449
What makes you think Israelis are motivated by what you’re describing?

>>779481
>says "israeli" rather than zionist
you glow moshe

>>779451
>not ideologically against killing just want to neet
They are actually ideologically against it and the existence of Israel, as paradoxical as it may sound.
They believe the purpose of Jews is to be wandering people, and that it's against the word of Yahweh to try to create paradise on Earth. They also point out Jews lived rather fine with Muslims in Palestine before the creation of Israel, even if they had second-class citizen status like…everywhere else. That said, I imagine they have material benefits to stay in Israel, since they can get NEET shekels to study the Torah.

>>779543
>They are
are you from 1940? It's 2026, most are Zionist now.

>>779413
Israel is a highly collectivist society. Marriage and family are still staples of everyday life there. Jews tend to be more communal in general.

>>779667
They also have free healthcare and a lot of government planning + the kibbutz but ultras will say it's not real socialism