how can we make imageboards less like this without making them pure clearnet glowie redditslop?
>>781541this is why people use image boards in the first place
>>781543does this spark joy for you?
>>781544i like saying slurs
I mean just ban slurs while still allowing good faith discussion of controversial topics. It's actually not hard, it's just that internet mods are just fucking lazy and either don't police at all, or just lazily ban anything controversial without reading and understanding the actual content.
Unironically, this is where AI might help. The level of discussion on imageboards is so low that an AI can detect and inform mods if a post is bannable or not, beyond just slur detection.
>>781541warn and ban people for being tedious and repetitive. do so even if they have technically not broken any rules.
it really is that easy. make your standard novelty above all else. if someone shows up saying objectionable things but in a novel way, let them stay and have a fun argument. if someone shows up with the same boring shit you've seen a thousand times, punish them.
people get confused about what causes tediousness and imagine it must be censorship or some other high-principled thing that you can prevent with a clear rule, rather than imageboards basically having a metagame and thereby requiring moderation to arbitrarily ban dominant strategies based on their subjective judgement (with their quality as a result being in part a function of the moderators having good taste)
you need to create selective pressure against bad posts in general, not just rule breaking posts. you need to create a situation in which novelty carries evolutionary fitness.
a pragmatic example here: i used to make image based OC instead of just writing long posts, but at some point i gave up because the chances of getting enough good replies to make it feel worth it weren't good enough. i never consciously decided to give up, the time/effort/reward tradeoff just got worse and worse. if i didn't like the sound of my own voice so much, i wouldn't even post. my expectations that anyone takes the point to heart, or even really understands it and responds with something other than cliches about how imageboards are about free speech and censorship is reddit, are very low indeed. >>781543This unfortunately
>>781562More like overage
>>781555Idk f AI can suffice
>>781614That's mathmatical proofs.
>>781626Bad idea, its not like this site suffers from a wave of unintegrated new users, if anything it desperately needs ew blood.
Greater mod accountability would be great, but they made it clear its not happening.
>>781568The conversation in picrel is less productive than the OP
>>781632People on here complain constantly about new fags.
Part of keeping online communities alive is that you will have to accept that there will be new sentiments which will affect the rules
>>781555reminder that this user has been raped
>>781568>This is why the imageboard ideal isn't bait threads being nuked, but anons bullying the OP and sometimes making effortposts in response regardless.it's all bullying and no effortposts. baitposting OPs don't read the effortposts on the rare occasion they are posted, and neither do the audience they brought with them. until we have the tech to beam materialism into babies brains the moment they are born, most people will continue to be willfully ignorant assholes for most of their lives.
>>781639and what does that mean in your mental system
>>781626do you think you have supernatural powers that allow you to tell who is and isn't a twitter user? i've never used that shit in my fucking life, and never will, or bluesky, and yet occasionally people like you will use it as an argument "i bet you came from twitter". what am I supposed to do? deny it? it's a kafka trap. you'll say denial is proof that your accusation is true. none of you can tell who came from twitter, reddit, 4chan, whatever. it's all just vibes. especially these days. it's not 2010 anymore. twitter is basically just /pol/ now.
>>781672He literally admitted to being raped
>>781670To solve the problem of willful ignorance you have to deny autonomy to adults
>>781638>>781626People complain about newfags because they're imageboard retards, the real problem with this site is that it's culturally stagnant and uninteresting.
Moreover: websites shape their users more than vice versa. Oldfags on twitter become twitter users and newfags on /leftypol/ would quickly become normal posters if they actually show up. The idea that it's otherwise is one of the most retarded imageboard cliches.
>>781633No, it succintly shows why vulgar gender abolitionism is anti-materialist.
>>781572>you need to create a situation in which novelty carries evolutionary fitness.Admittedly the wojak menace has become as popular as it is, precisely by being adaptable into nearly everything. As long as it doesn't lead to becoming a bald man with glasses website, these templates have their place as a jumping off point. Though i have noticed pepes especially becoming stale cliches, probably from chat overuse. I also feel like the people, that do end up adapting them, do it not to specifically express something, but instead just want to make wojaks or pepes.
I would argue it ultimately comes down, not only to novelty in itself lacking, but also stagnation within the mode of creation. Most people will no longer make reaction crops of whatever they're watching or "memes" in their purest form of encapsulating a concept solely through a picture. Nowadays it's all genres, references or the kind of cartoons that get made for being posted on reddit.
>>781673Most Leftypol users hail from those sites to begin with
>>781555>just ban slursunironically the current leftypol word filters are a much better alternative to this without breaking with "imageboard culture" (4chan used to have some word filters too, haven't been in years so i don't know how that looks now)
>>781568>anons bullying the OP and sometimes making effortposts in response regardlessbut as /siberia/ itself shows, this eventually just selects for people who are so antisocial and deranged that not even this process can get through to them, and those are the exact people who will turn a board into endless narcissistic whining, impenetrable autism and incorrigible stupidity. everyone else gets tired of endless negativity eventually and realizes that hanging out in a community where people are actually chill is not some sin against integrity or free speech.
>>781572I wonder what went wrong with /r9k/ since they tried enforcing novel posting through a technological solution but somehow ended up being one of the most repetitive imageboards of all time.
>>781798they dropped the novelty filter multiple times during its history tbf.
also in the end the filter just forced people to be creative about wording and not make filler posts like "lol". it's not gonna fix the fact that most 4chan users are mediocre people living the same generic lives.
>>781693I'm asking why you think "LOL U GOT RAPED" is an argument rather than just sociopathic behavior
>>781794the word replacements aren't funny. the uyghur shit especially is so 2019. everyone is either on page with the fact that adrian zenz made it up, or they're literal children like tomdatinker who just think we're being mean to uyghurs for no reason (he made a whole thread about it)
>>781808>the word replacements aren't funny. the uyghur shit especially is so 2019the substitutions themselves don't need to be funny, they just need to expose people as idiots or newfags
>they're literal children like tomdatinker who just think we're being mean to uyghurs for no reasonso it works!
>>781715>>781632Getting a blood transfusion from a mummified corpse isn't exactly adding new blood.
The more twitter-like leftypol becomes, the more culturally stagnant it'll become.
>>781841bringing twitter users over doesn't turn the site into twitter. the idea that it does rests on the fallacious idea that the medium cannot shape the message.
twitter takes real life geniuses and makes them post like idiots because twitter is designed in such a way that everyone using it looks like an idiot. imageboards are not designed in the same way. the best possible thing that could happen to this website would be for 10,000 twitter users to flood it at once and for the mods to spend say 3 days straight separating the wheat from the chaff by deleting bad posts, warning bad posters, escalating to short bans for those who don't post better, then longer bans for those who don't get the message. most people learn pretty quick.
>mindbroken by leftcom flag
Kek
>>781841Leftypol is already a mix of T and R
>>781840This justification of wordfilters to discriminate against alleged “wrong think” is another nail in the coffin for imageboards
>>781794This is such copium
>>781808Tom isn’t a literal child tho
He’s just sycophantic.
A virtue signaller
He speaks more like a liberal than a leftist even for this place which is barely leftist by the truest definition of the word
>>781844Can you elaborate further on this?
This whole idea that imageboards are “different” seems like cope
>>781845
what is it supposed to explain, in your estimation
>>781840you're supposed to educate people not just antagonize them. especially young impressionable people.
>>781859>Tom isn’t a literal child thohe said he just turned 18 but his memes look like some shit a 13 year old would make
>>781865>he said he just turned 18 but his memes look like some shit a 13 year old would makeThe kind of memes he makes are commonly made by people older than you think
>>781865There isn’t that much difference between thirteen and eighteen beyond sociolegal expectancy
Maybe we should reintegrate teens into adult culture
>>781864Imageboards love to antagonize young people though
>>781881Where is the word filer when you need it
Obviously I know about it being the nickname for LaSelle
>>781894Even without the context, it's such a ridiculous thing to say to someone, like saying jews did 9/11 before elders of zion became en vogue again. Marx was obviously cooking with that one and how anyone takes it seriously is beyond me.
>>781860it's not that they're different in that they're completely special, it's that every type of site is different. twitter creates a different kind of poster compared to a forum, which is different again to an imageboard, which is different again to facebook, or instagram, or tiktok, or youtube. each one of those encourages a different kind of posting. you *can* cheat and upload static images plus greentexts to youtube, but the site makes that much more annoying than doing it here. you can do the same on forums too, but it rarely takes the same format since images attatch differently.
the main good features of imageboards are that you don't have to register an account (tedious, keeps too permanent a log of your behavior and posts + encourages the kind of psychological investment that makes it more likely you go nuts when banned) although you can still use a name if you like (an imageboard where you need a name - but can change it at any time and can't register it - would be fine, anonymity is a bit of a meme), that threads are ephemeral, that they're all on a single page, and that image uploading is made very easy. it's more like a big semi-anonymous IRC/discord. the whole thing mainly thrives on a high PPH and a sort of sense of anarchy that flows from that. once you cross a certain threshold the appeal becomes the opposite, throwing posts out into the void knowing that you're unlikely to get a reply at all. (but /leftypol/ is ill suited to that because the chance is too high that you'll get a bad reply.)
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