i got a vpn and ive now got acess to all the porn sites i used to have (im from the uk if you cant already tell) it honestly feels great, like something ive lost has been brought back to me.
but ive also realised how fucking horrible porn is for you. i now have complete acsess to what ever i want after what has felt like years of the same one hentai site my country decseided not to ban for some reason. ive truly realised how porn efrects people when you have so much of it at your disposal, shit acctually rots your brain, you lose all of your creativity and genuine love for the world when you always look at porn. ive forrgoten how i used to littraly cry that i couldnt get over my porn addictsion.
ive also realised how much capitalism rots the mind and soul. if you watch porn all the time ive realised you kind of think like a capitalistm, you have absolutly no regard for human life what soever and only care about pleasuring yourself all the time and always seeking to corrupt things no matter if harms you or other people.
thats really what capitalism is, capitalism was never about freedom and humanity, capitalism is about being as cruel and degenerate as posible.
i hate how porn is used as a distractsion from the horrors of impreial wars and capitalism, it basiclly only exists to adevertise capitalism to people or make people more misreble and lazy
I love pornography.
What’s with this moral onsersith porn.
Porn is bad but not for the reason you described
Especially since news and entertainment always talks about how dismal everything is.
Nothing is allowed to be happy
Neopuritanism is the ultimate brain rot
It’s the ultimate cope for capitalism
No offense but I’m starting to think a lot of criticism against capitalism seems to be more about life not conforming to personal idealism rather than the actual horrors of said capitalism
just jerk off and be done with it i really dont understand what everybody's problem is
porn isn't evil, the evil thing is irl women being so dull at sex.
>noo dude you don't understand, you can't desire a deepthroat (even tho it feels awesome and women can do it if they wanted to) that is muh soggy knee and violent, you should desire missionary sex with an unatractive woman, porn makes you expect too much out of your sexual partners
Try audio or literaly erotica. Tends to not be as shane i ducing as mainstream pornography.
>>782262Do you think chad has to beg for oral? They are just not into
you.
The issue is porn is simply less degrading and tedious to deal with than most women today, unless you are a very beautiful male.
I also do not buy the misandrist framing around male pervertion, normie women consume atrocious gooner litterature nowaday as the booktok communities on instagram/tiktok/tumblr shows, half of it being rape stuff and the other half being zoophilia. Male don't have a "knot" fetish.
Porn is the ultimate litmus test to see whether you are an actual Materialist because you cannot be anti porn without inevitably yapping about unquantifiable, unscientific and unfalsifiable spooks gems like "love for the world" and creative drive.
OP's confession is literally bars for bars indistinguishable from Evangelical and Islamist youtube confessionals where they said that they used to do the most freaked up diddyloving buttholeinserting babyoilfueled degeneracy but they are secretly le empty until they met God. I cannot take this shit seriously man
>>782346Porn is part of the ideological state apparatus, its very easy to have a materialist and marxist view on it.
Fed post trying to sell us the glories of bourgeois censorship and survillance
>>782354Ok, please elaborate what 'ideological state apparatus' means, how porn serves this (hypothesis 1), what it would take to disprove that (~h1), whether result on the ground confirms h1, and whether you have controlled for other variables.
Let me start with my own position. I define "part of ideological state apparatus" in the sense that the state requires it for ideological justification and reproduction. For example, advertising is part of the capitalist ideological state apparatus, because it justifies capitalist practices (which is served as pro-customer) and because it shapes someone's mind to think in terms of brands and products.
My hypothesis is that Porn is not part of the ideological state apparatus. People do not watch porn and then think that capitalism is normal. People do not watch porn and think that property rights is inalienable or think in terms of commodities instead of labour processes. People do not watch porn and start defending capitalist competitions between nation states.
The most common complain i hear about porn is that it distorts people's view of sexuality. That is a fair complaint. My counterpoint is that romance novels also do the same thing by giving people unrealistic expectations about the other sex, but it would be pretty absurd to label Pride and Prejudice as "part of the ideological state apparatus". This is why it is absurd to import concepts from political economy into interpersonal relationships because the latter is dominated by frankly vibes based, unquantifiable and normative concepts (such as what a proper relationship between the sexes should look like).
My ~h1 would be simple: if someone can demonstrate that watching porn leads to internalization of the capitalist logic then my theory would be wrong. I am pretty confident that i am not wrong though, otherwise we would not have so many porn threads in siberia
>>782365>My hypothesis is that Porn is not part of the ideological state apparatus. People do not watch porn and then think that capitalism is normal. People do not watch porn and think that property rights is inalienable or think in terms of commodities instead of labour processes. People do not watch porn and start defending capitalist competitions between nation states.Wrong, any mental production produced within a state (literally anything media related, this includes porn) is beholden to the states laws and curated and censored accordingly. Look at the UK anti-porn laws, it bans shit like face sitting.
>Ok, please elaborate what 'ideological state apparatus' meansIts the arm of the state that reproduces the dominant ideology, this includes the schools, media, mental production in what is allowed with art - this all works in tandem to produce the reproduction of the dominant ideology.
>>782365>My ~h1 would be simple: if someone can demonstrate that watching porn leads to internalization of the capitalist logic then my theory would be wrong. I am pretty confident that i am not wrong though, otherwise we would not have so many porn threads in siberiaAlso porn is just straight up illegal in the UK without age verification, you can skirt the law, but leftypol isnt influencing mass culture within the UK, its too niche, the porn laws are.
>>782369>Its the arm of the state that reproduces the dominant ideology, this includes the schools, media, mental production in what is allowed with artOk bro you are just not being serious here. The schools also teach you basic etiquettes like "don't beat up random people" through Ethics classes. Does that mean basic etiquettes is part of the ideological apparatus and you can't be a Marxist unless you beat random people up? We are straying from cultural analysis into ontological nihilism
>>782260a christian upbringing is the problem
>>782372Have you went to school? In all history books the USSR is portrayed as evil, they speak about "low, middle, high" classes (at least in the one I had)
Also, in my country you can choose a non-religious subjects which is called "Values" where they teach liberal values
I wish my gf were into porn. She wans to record us having sex so I guess she kinda is, but I want her to be a gooner.
>>782497Record and post here for research
>>782503Least fascist parent
>>782532From a heterosexual male perspective and for the foreseeable future, the conservative dad and the radical feminists are to be considered like the old hollywood peplum depiction of the eunuch guarding the harem.
>>782503rare conservative W. fuck that sex pest
>>782673We are taking your daughter
>>782827
>all porn is rape
Big, if true
>>782827
The only one getting raped are the men giving their money and time to pornstars
>>782831
I feel like the majority of porn actually consumed is amateur, or maybe that's just my social circle, even if it's in a studio, you could say that's rape but only in the same sense as working a job is slavery, ie. only in a rhetorical sense
You know, im no "dworkinite" or a "missadrist radfem" by any means but i've had a hard time finding many satisfying counterpoints and arguments from the "sex positive" side towards some "sex skeptics" regarding many a assertion, such as widespread abuse and trafficking in the sex industry and sites, with pornhub coming to mind, the perhaps problematic influences of bdsm and other similar fetishes (some folks apparently gooned to uncle toms cabin☠️) , the in my opinion not too uncommon susness of the word "sex worker" and some accompanying sw rights groups and leaders such as margo st. james (connections to paul krassner who himself was on good terms with epstein and other connections) and the arrest of a prominent member of a quite influential sex worker rights group in mexico on the charge of trafficking, organized crime involvement in production during the "golden age of porn, and films such as the 1972 porn film deeptroat being basically the filmed rape of its actress, linda lovelace, or hugh hefner of playboy fame basically being epstein 1.0, or just the consequences of commodification of the human body, the experiance of younger people in the specific way it has been normalized in our society and sexist and patriarchal attitudes having a large infulunce, certainly I do not find many "sex negative" arguments from supposed radfems to be very convincing, with all the overt moralism, reactionary arguments, inability to account for drawn or written smut, or amateurs, ingorance of the dynamics of lgbt people and erotica/porn and often than not naive (or perhaps purposeful) willingness to defer authority and surveillance to the state itself and, dare I say, puritanical logic, but it seems for me at least that the "positive" side doesn't fare much better, with a lot of it being reduced to weak liberal talking points and moralism that often just devolves into libertarianism (after all a lot of the men in the porn industry such as pimps or owners of sites are often right libertarians), as well as naivety or just denial, hand waveing some of the things i just listed away, and that is if it doesn't just devolve into toxic name calling and SOME OF them if im being entirely honest, often being the quite unsavory types with questionable motives / attitudes themselves. I guess what im saying is that I'm kind of confused, and I wonder what others here might have to say, so "sex positives", what are the stance and refutation on the things that i just listed / the points raised by op and "sex negatives / skeptics", how do you prevent yourself from falling for reactionary attitudes?
>>782938The online left used to be anti-sex work but around 2008 or thereabouts there was a sudden influx of "sex positives" talking about how great hooking and porn was. I just figured it was some kind libertarian psyop. Anyway, they won.
>>782965Yeah man, nobody liked sex before libertarians psyoped them into it.
>>782967Wow that actually seems like a decent looking msub. What is the pic source?
>>782966i mean not all sex is sex work right? lol
>>782967If it was PIV it still wouldnt be rape
>>782985
Retard
Porn addiction has more to do with your religious upbringing than any actual effect of the pron itself.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201808/science-stopped-believing-in-porn-addiction-you-should-tooTL;DR; Stop feeling shame over enjoying porn and stop being a bunch of moralist neo-puritans. Besides I like cartoon porn of Anthropomorphic Animals.
>@
This isn't reddit
>>783020also i forgot
>obligatory comment that shows that im talking about something entirely diffrent from what my opps were talking about >>782938>widespread abuse and trafficking in the sex industry and sites (e.g. pornhub)I'm sure it happens, but I don't have statistics to just pull out of my ass. be that as it may, I think that it'd continue to happen in the absence of a codified "sex industry" but for more rich and powerful clientele who are better equipped to absorb whatever black market risk would arise out of such circumstances.
>the perhaps problematic influences of bdsm and other similar fetishesI believe that fetishes aren't merely the product of exposure but of some psycho-sexual perception on the part of the viewer. you could never show me enough scat porn to afflict me with a scat fetish. I suppose I shouldn't say that it would never happen because maybe there is a scenario, such as if brainwashed against my will, in which I'd succumb to such torture, but the keyword there is TORTURE. no one is being forced to consume content which they find unpalatable, sex addicts notwithstanding. most people have limits and don't need some nanny to ensure those limits get respects. which is to say, you have an appetite for porn that you self regulate.
>the questionable nature of the word "sex worker" and some accompanying sw rights groups and leaders, such as margo st. james and the arrest of a prominent member of a quite influential sex worker rights group in mexico on the charge of traffickingbad people can sometimes get mixed up on good causes, unless you're trying to imply that everyone who might run in the same circles as a sex work rights advocacy group is predisposed to being a predator, but that's equally as irrational as saying that everyone who is transgendered is a sexual deviant/rapist or other unsavory individual. the brush strokes are too broad.
>organized crime involvement in production during the "golden age of porn", and films such as the 1972 porn film deeptroat being basically the filmed rape of linda lovelacea lack of regulation, either at the federal level or as imposed by some self regulatory governing body, is responsible for the depravity that unbridled freedom can produce.
>hugh hefner of playboy fame basically being epstein 1.0huh? I don't know the story on this one, but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised.
>the consequences of commodification of the human bodythere's a certain dehumanization that occurs when a person is reduced to a sexual object, true. however, that commodification isn't exclusive to sexual material, and is sort of embedded in the fabric of any given human culture, as it is true that any society is going to have cultural underpinnings that value a certain set of physical traits that are considered to be ideal. we must wait for the next stage of evolution, for an enlightenment, before such instinctual biases are eroded by intellectualism.
>the experience of younger people in the specific way it has been normalized in our societyyoung men learn that sexual conquest is social currency; women learn to weaponize their sexuality in exchange for status and control. neither of those things are healthy, but they're a perversion or lack of values that alter how people perceive sexual dynamics. these things can be combated with education to some extent.
>sexist and patriarchal attitudes having a large influencethis is just an archaic toxicity that stems from power dynamics between men and women, but also influenced by the vestiges of the culture of past civilizations. again, something that can be combated through education.
>how do you prevent yourself from falling for reactionary attitudes?as with everything in life, I just try to keep an open mind and a willingness to admit when I may in fact be wrong about something. I don't have some esoteric knowledge, I'm just calling it like I see it senpai.
>>782236Have you ever considered that it's your wider internet habits to blame, not just porn, and you hyperfocus on porn specifically because of the puritan culture you grew up in?
>783030
Neck yourself subanimal goontard rapephile
>>783030>I'm sure it happens, but I don't have statistics to just pull out of my ass. be that as it may, I think that it'd continue to happen in the absence of a codified "sex industry" but for more rich and powerful clientele who are better equipped to absorb whatever black market risk would arise out of such circumstances.Obviously a society™ that would claim to be "pure" and ban anything involving "sexuality" outside of necessary procreation (not that I would ever advocate for that) wouldn't actually be that, and those rich and powerful who would be able to partake in exploitative vices would of course do such, and perhaps have it be even worse now with the absence of any sort of legal "outlet" that might moderate things or the toxic and ultimately reactionary sentiments that would reign in such a society, but I think you're missing the forest of the trees, much, if not the majority, of violence that occurs is often defined and predicated on what society™ would consider "acceptable" enough without it fully breaking any norms that may destabilize things. The commercialization of sexuality as if it were any other product means that morals and boundaries will often be stretched to the limit in favor of monetary benefit, often in the process violating, say, the boundaries of performers who themselves may only be there due to economic coercion or the production being built around toxic dynamics such as "stepdaughter trapped in stepdad's washer" or other such junk, and that if its not just complete criminality just under the often provided guise of legality, such as women being forced to perform under the guise of a modeling interview with the recording being uploaded in a manner that conceals it ilicit nature (not that male performers don't suffer either, of course) if not it just being straight up human trafficking whether in secret or out in public, just hidden in plain sight with, of course, the misogynistic attitudes that are prevalent in society™ resulting in inadequate laws, peer pressure, and derogatory depictions in pornography, the problem isn't erotica in itself but rather the context that it exists in, that being our still highly patriarchal capitalist society™, something that i find many "sex positives" to pay only lips service to and often don't really engage with, the fact is that the industry could be said to be a giant machine with each part reinforcing the other. How could "sex positivity" exist in such a context if a large portion of sexuality in society™ is under such a negative shadow of said machine? Perhaps maybe it ought not be "sex positivity" but rather "sex independence" away from such commercialization and harmful archaic attitudes? But if so how? with those things seemingly being such ingrained elements? This is what i find not being addressed. (i was gonna type more but its gettign late where im at so perhaps ile continue tomorrow lol)
what about watching two famous pornstars that are actually in a relationship together and filming themselves fucking
I find those to be often more wholesome and engaging than standard studio prods
anyway, its a boring canned answer, but as always, capitalism is the main problem with porn, as all others shitty exploitative jobs
>pseuds not understanding the point of 'all sex is rape' is not to be literal, but to instead be the extreme end of a dialectic that makes you think about power dynamics
shiggy diggy
>>782879
>A barista may surrender her labor power 8 hours a day but she isn't threatened with impregnation, STDs, sexual violence and disfunction, social stigma, etc. The mental toll this takes on a person is another beast entirely.
yeah well what if the trade-off is 15 hour days of grueling back-breaking labor in the third world, incidentally where most sex workers are trafficked.
the most trafficked job is hotel housekeeper but no one ever says we should ban hotels
>>783121its shock tactics, it can work even if the message is stupid
>>783525
Did you hear?
Sexual gratification is considered wrong, especially male sexual gratification
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