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Nobody can actually know what a communist society looks like tbh, all the talks about having "real unmediated human relationship" has more to do with residual Christian norms than any actual observable scientific tendency

The communist future might be one where we all worship an AI god. It might be eugenistic. It might be an unironic 1984 managerial state. It might be a post human utopia where there are hundreds of sentient genetically engineered species that gets into a war once every few years.
Point is if we want to take communism as a serious Wissenschaft we can't go around making all these unscientific moral claims about how pure life is supposed to look life once you got rid of all the funkos

>it might be an imagined society from capitalist culture
wrong.

Have you heard of this guy called Karl Marx? I think he wrote about this topic


are you the same guy who said that only primitive societies are communist

>>782277
This is what i'm talking about man. Do you have any proof that i'm wrong? Any observable historical trend to validate your belief that a communist future will be such a hard break over class society that none of the models we have currently will suffice to describe it? Any way to falsify your model of said communist future?

No, you don't. What you have is belief in this unscientific and unquantifiable concept called Alienation, which will be abolished by the destruction of class society, after which Real human relationships (whatever that means) will continue.

This is not real science. This is Hegelianism. This is theology. You might as well talk about Original Sin and Rapture. In fact, the way Marxists talk about a communist society sounds very close to how Revelations talk about New Jerusalem, where we all live in harmony with nature and the water is sweet and there is no conflict and dispute and Death has finally been destroyed.

In contrast, my projections of the future are all rooted in historical-material and scientifically observed trends. The existence of AI is real. The Managerial state is real and will not be undone unless the trends leading to it (liquid urbanism and specialization of labour) is undone, which we see no sign of. Genetic engineering and manipulation is already on the doorstep which proves that posthumanism and planetary-wide eugenics regime are very feasible.
What is unscientific is believing in withering away of the state (every observable trend points to increasing bureaucratization not less), and "real human relationship" which cannot be measured scientifically in the first place.

What i want to say is that if Communists want to take Marxism as a serious wissenschaft, then treat it like a serious science. Only talk about observable and scientifically measurable variables like tendency of the rate of profit to fall or caloric shift and stop navelgazing about alienation, objectification, or other untenable moral utopian claims

>>782295
I mean metabolic rift, phonecel curse

I actually do know, but I am not telling you.

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>>782295
Yeah whatever, it definitely won't look like 1984 because there is a powerful central state and communism is stateless by definition. Otherwise you're more or less right, but this isn't exactly a groundbreaking take.

>>782272
>Nobody can actually know what a communist society looks like tbh
Communism is definitionally a negation of certain aspects of capitalism, so we know that it's going to be defined by an absence of those, and we can infer a lot of substantial "what is it gonna look like"s from that.

>>782295
>this unscientific and unquantifiable concept called Alienation
What does the concept of alienation lack to be scientific? Why does it need to be quantified and what would quantifying it solve or explain?
>le Marxism is just like a religion because some Marxists talk similarly to some Christians
Is there really anyone over the age of 20 who's impressed by this kind of argument?
>my projections of the future are all rooted in historical-material and scientifically observed trends
You did not make "predictions", saying future society "might" worship an AI god is not a prediction. It also reveals your extremely shallow view of science that you think any linear extrapolation from current trends is automatically "scientific", let alone "historical-material".

Most talks about a communist utopia seem more like a reformed version of capital where willful leeches get rewarded for being losers under the previous system

>>782391
Looks like OP struck a nerve
You people love to talk about scientific rigor but you dismiss anything you don’t like as bourgeois and delve into urban myths.
And yes Marxists do treat their political ideology like a religion, taking offense to disagreements.

>>782295
Leftypol is not the place to talk about communism as a reality

Most people here more more liberal than leftist

Most discussion on here often is about utilizing state power to solve perpetual male virginity or getting privileges without any safeguards or finding ways to mooch off the proletariat without losing their rights

Future society, whatever it may be, will be populated by Chad's and stacies largely. It seems like this is the we're going as women are being more selective and more opportunities for plastic surgery and such things for physical improvement. Also less children being born so more opportunities to put more resources into their development.

>>782481
Nah. The fire will be populated by plain Janes and Joes. There will be more sex toys and sex chatbots as people lose patience and tolerance of others

>>782484
>The fire

*the future

Fixed

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