Do you think animal farm is liberal capitalist propaganda?
>>783644No its anarchist propaganda. Socialist infighting.
No, it’s just Trotskyist shitposting disguised as profound critique on Stalinist USSR.
>>783644Every george orwell is against/for your own ideology depending on how you interpret it
>>783644>>783647>>783648>>783649Wrong, it's anti working class propaganda.
Whateve event or ideology it's critiquing, the one undeniable thing is that orwell thinks workers are too retarded to learn to read
>>783651Its literally defending working class from enslavement by stalinoids.
>>783654yet every moment in the book the proletarian characters are displayed as retarded, as expected out of a retard like orwell seething about Stalin from half a europe of distance.
The book itself is unproblematic (unless you are braindead Stalinoid, but those are rarely literate so idk what their complain is) its the fact he wrote it during WW2 that is questionable.
>>783654Defending by painting it as so stupid that it will always get enslaved by the smarter smarmy pigs, thus giving liberals the falacical narrative that every communist revolution will be for communist parties get rich.
but it's to be expected from a Government worker like orwell to publish these hogwash.
>>783661The unstated conclusion is that the retarded working class can't govern itself needs more "humane", kinder rulers
it's a basic allegory arguing specifically against the soviet party-state, in general orwell while a hypocrite in some aspects, didn't confine his criticism to simply the USSR and nazi germany, in fact it should mentioned he just as easily satirized british social democracy in 1984,
>>783671>>783661Is that any different from ML conception of working class?
Probably, I like the 1950s cartoon film though only because it’s cool how dark it is despite being a kids movie
Well, it is an allegory of the Soviet Union, portraying prominent Soviet leaders as pigs, possibly juxtaposing the communist ideology with the notion of pigs as symbols of capitalist greed. As the pigs had learned to walk, smoke cigars and drink beer like humans while the other animals sleep outside, this could point out Orwell's fears of communism descending into oligarchy.
So in conclusion, "Animal Farm" most likely supports capitalist liberal fuckery
>>783660>>783661Orwell was shat on back when he first published the book, by British intelligentsia no less due to how the book was seen as undermining the allied war effort and the British-Soviet alliance during WW2. It only received a warm reception after WW2 paved the way for the Cold War we all know and love and hate.
It should be noted that Orwell himself never set foot in the USSR, and that his opinions on Stalinism were heavily shaped by his experiences in the Spanish civil war.
>>783675Do you have any evidence for the last point? I know it was repeated by lolbergs and contards trying to claim Orwell for themselves despite him being a Dems of, as well as that charlatan of Logo_Daedalus to sound clever, but he never substantiated it. If anything, it seems Orwell opposed to any reading on 1984 as being about the British empire at all:
https://jacobin.com/2023/03/orwell-hayek-nineteen-eighty-four-totalitarianism-capitalism-socialismIn a letter to Francis A Henson, Orwell writes:
https://lesamisdebartleby.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/george-orwell-lettre-a-francis-a-henson/
> The purpose of my latest novel is not to attack socialism or the British Labour Party (which I support), but to denounce the risks of a centralized economy and of which communism and fascism have already partly set an example. I don't believe that the type of society I describe must necessarily happen, but I believe (taking into account, of course, the fact that this book is a satire) that something similar could happen. I also believe that totalitarian ideas have penetrated the mentality of intellectuals everywhere, and I wanted to push these ideas to their logical consequences. I placed this book in Great Britain to show that English-speaking peoples are not by nature better than others, and that totalitarianism, if not fought, can triumph anywhere. It's trotsky sympathist propaganda
>>783644It's vegetarian propaganda according to Orwell himself
>However, the actual details of the story did not come to me for some time until one day (I was then living in a small village) I saw a little boy, perhaps ten years old, driving a huge cart-horse along a narrow path, whipping it whenever it tried to turn. It struck me that if only such animals became aware of their strength we should have no power over them, and that men exploit animals in much the same way as the rich exploit the proletariat.
>I proceeded to analyse Marx's theory from the animals’ point of view. To them it was dear that the concept of a class struggle between humans was pure illusion, since whenever it was necessary to exploit animals, all humans united against them: the true struggle is between animals and humans.https://www.marxists.org/archive/orwell/1947/kolghosp-tvaryn.htm Unique IPs: 16