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In 2024, American Communist Party (ACP) top figure Haz Al-Din made the point that a man was being raped by a trans woman if the latter didn’t disclose their gender transition status beforehand, which some leftists found to be controversial: https://xcancel.com/secondbyfarce/status/1852772181073445357

Some here may find Haz’s position to be disconcerting and triggering, but within the context of consent in sexual intimacy, he is right since he is merely applying the logic of rape-as-lack-of-consent to its logical conclusion.

Because let’s face it: Consent, as pointed out by figures such as Harry Hay and Michel Foucault, is just liberal contract theory as applied to sex, and a contract is made void if you enter under it under false pretenses, and let’s not pretend that contracts are made in a vacuum, as whether a contract is or isn’t valid isn’t a neutral judgement made by an impartial figure, as much as being done by the powers that be (e.g., the state) under dominant or bourgeois cultural diktats.

So unless you think consent shouldn’t be absolute when it comes to sexual relations, then a trans woman having sex with a cishet man without disclosing “her” pre-transition gender is rape as much as sex by deception is rape, and neither are criminalised even in the most feminist countries like Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, the USA, Canada, Australia, the UK, and France. So what does it say about consent theory if not even the most feminist countries on Earth criminalised sex by deception as rape?

Then of course, there’s the issue of the AoC, a draconian and absolutist bourgeois piece of legislation used by the capitalist bourgeoisie to morally discipline the working class into anti-proletarian bourgeois morality since the days of William T Stead’s infamous yellow press journalism. In this case, a person under the magic age line cannot (legally) consent to sex with someone above the magic age line. Common idealist talking points often allude to an inconsistent and arbitrary notion of “mental maturity” that is heavily subjective depending on who uses it, whilst obfuscating the meat of the issue: It’s not that people below the magic age line are incapable of being willing sexual and/or romantic partners, it’s just that the state decided that the magic age line makes the willingness of the person below the magic age line (ranging from 12 in Cuba to 21 in Bahrain) to be void, ergo it’s “statutory rape”. But if it’s “statutory rape”, how come the person below the magic age line was a willing partner? Idealist copes range from thought-terminating cliches like “grooming” (a.k.a., seduction and attraction) to elaborate myth-making on the supposed neurological nature of the brain, but all of them ignore that culturally-contingent reasons and deep money interests are the main drivers as much of today’s censorship and prison industrial complex depend on the stigma caused by the AoC. This shows how not only is “statutory rape” and “CSA” legal fiction, but also that what determines which contract is void or not isn’t determined by an impartial entity such as the modern bourgeois state, and the same goes for who is and isn’t allowed to sign a contract.

In fact, going back to transwomen, while one could argue that the cishet men who refuse to have sex with them are transphobic and merry react violently due to them seeing it as an affront on their sexuality, that still wouldn’t address the issue of entering a contract under false pretenses in the case of transwomen lying about being AFAB to have sex with cishet men, nor the fact that the pain of rape is primarily psychological as opposed to being physical (moreso for people in their 20s to their 40s) which makes the dismissal pf cishet men’s concerns here inconsistent unless you think sex by deception isn’t rape. Same goes with the Weinstein scandal, where one can only deem ol’ Harvey a “rapist” if you think withdrawing from a contract after the deal is done makes the contract void, considering how many of those actresses did sexual favors for movie roles even if they could have refused and had may choices at the time and only deemed it as rape years after the events. Even in this case, unless you treat consent as the absolute yardstick for which is and isn’t rape, then Weinstein technically is no “rapist” under the public understanding as he never sexually forced himself on anyone per court evidence.

This ultimately goes to the issue of treating a context-dependent and simple activity like sex as a contractual affair, as well as how normies here and beyond this board haven’t really thought through the implications of rape as being lack of consent. If every heterosexual relationship can be deemed as rape on the basis of one of the partners rejecting or withdrawing from the contract altogether, if some technicality deemed by one or all of the partners as being trivial is seen as being a factor for making the contract void by the state, what does it say about liberal contract theory as a way to regulate sexuality, heterosexual or not?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Pedophilia and other mental illnesses are idpol.

>>785203
False. Pedophilia is merely a sexual orientation per the DSM-V, and besides biological realities in and of themselves aren’t idpol anymore than being a straight white male is idpol. Actually address OP’s point instead of being a /pol/tard.

>>785197
In 2024, American Communist Party (ACP) top figure Haz Al-Din made the point that a jaywalker running on a highway was being murdered by a driver if the latter was speeding, which some leftists found to be controversial:

Some here may find Haz’s position to be disconcerting and triggering, but within the context of responsability in the road, he is right since he is merely applying the logic of accident-as-lack-of-care to its logical conclusion.

Because let’s face it: driving laws, as pointed out by figures such as Harry Hay and Michel Foucault, is just liberal contract theory as applied to driving, and a contract is made void if you enter under it under false pretenses, and let’s not pretend that contracts are made in a vacuum, as whether a contract is or isn’t valid isn’t a neutral judgement made by an impartial figure, as much as being done by the powers that be (e.g., the state) under dominant or bourgeois cultural diktats.

So unless you think driving laws shouldn’t be absolute when it comes to driving relations, then a driver having an accident with a jaywalker without being sober is as as killing by intentionally speeding on the boardwalk, and neither are criminalised even in the most pro-car countries like Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, the USA, Canada, Australia, the UK, and France. So what does it say about driving theory if not even the most feminist countries on Earth criminalised speeding as murder?

Then of course, there’s the issue of the Drunk driving laws, a draconian and absolutist bourgeois piece of legislation used by the capitalist bourgeoisie to morally discipline the working class into anti-proletarian bourgeois morality since the days of Dr. Justin Edwards’s infamous American temperance society. In this case, a person above the magic drinking line cannot (legally) consent to driving with a car. Common idealist talking points often allude to an inconsistent and arbitrary notion of “mental maturity” that is heavily subjective depending on who uses it, whilst obfuscating the meat of the issue: It’s not that people above the magic driving line line are incapable of being willing drivers, it’s just that the state decided that the magic drinking line makes the willingness of the person above the magic drinking line (ranging from 00.0 in Ukraine to 0.08 in England) to be void, ergo it’s “dangerous driving”. But if it’s “dangerous driving”, how come the person above the magic drinking line was a willing partner? Idealist copes range from thought-terminating cliches like “speeding” (a.k.a., not slowing down for slow people) to elaborate myth-making on the supposed neurological nature of the brain, but all of them ignore that culturally-contingent reasons and deep money interests are the main drivers as much of today’s censorship and prison industrial complex depend on the stigma caused by the drunk driving laws. This shows how not only is “speeding” and “drunk driving” legal fiction, but also that what determines which contract is void or not isn’t determined by an impartial entity such as the modern bourgeois state, and the same goes for who is and isn’t allowed to sign a contract.

In fact, going back to speeding drivers, while one could argue that the Jaywalkers who put themselves in the highway are suicidal and merry react violently due to them seeing it as an affront on their walking paths, that still wouldn’t address the issue of entering a contract under false pretenses in the case of speeding lying about being under the speed limit to have get home faster, nor the fact that the pain of being ran over is primarily psychological as opposed to being physical (moreso for people in their 20s to their 40s) which makes the dismissal of Jaywalking men’s concerns here inconsistent unless you think driving over jaywalkers isn’t rape. Same goes with the Caitlyn Jenner scandal, where one can only deem ol’ Caitlyn a “murdere” if you think walking from a highway after the cars were driving is done makes the driving dangerous, considering how many of those jaywalkers did waking to get faster even if they could have refused and had may choices at the time and only deemed it as dangerous years after the events. Even in this case, unless you treat driving laws as the absolute yardstick for which is and isn’t dangerous, then Jenner technically is no “murderer” under the public understanding as she never forced her car on anyone per court evidence.

This ultimately goes to the issue of treating a context-dependent and simple activity like driving as a contractual affair, as well as how normies here and beyond this board haven’t really thought through the implications of dangerous driving as being lack of care. If every driving can be deemed as dangerous on the basis of one of the jaywalkers walking or running in front of the car altogether, if some technicality deemed by one or all of those on the road as being trivial is seen as being a factor for making the contract void by the state, what does it say about liberal contract theory as a way to regulate driving, drunk or not?

>>785205
So what if it's a mental illness?
Sometimes there's only solution for the mentally ill.

>>785211
>Muh speed limit

Where’s the registry for speed limit violators that inflicts double jeopardy on the offenders on the top of subjecting them to the status of second-class citizens the way the SOR does to MAPs? Can you name one that is currently enforced in any western country?

Your false equivalence shows the level of intellectual dishonesty at play here.

>>785216
I sincerely hope you die painfully soon

>>785214
Where are the drunk drivers elected to the higest seat of governance ? In fact speed drivers are more likely to go to jail then pedophiles.

>>785219
you're typing a lot of words but tbh all i can read from your posts is "im a pedo who wants to rape kids pleaseeeee abolish the age of consent" which is totally disgusting and you will ne liquidated during the revolution as the bourgeos pervert that you are.

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THIS IS NOW A BIONCLE THREAD

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>>785224
Their driving licence being removed, humiliated in front of the public.

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>>785227
>>785228
SHUTUP Jewish nigger THIS IS A BIONCLE THREAD

>>785229
See, question the Bush ordained orthodoxing of sober drivers and they'll call you racial slurs.

>>785238
Name one man who wasn't allowed to drive because he was a pedophile ?
You cannot. Yes it's worst to have you licence removed, you can't drive anymore, some people litterally die from it, SOR just means people know you're a weirdo. Not comparable, Hence why drunk drivers don't get high political office, unlike pedophiles.

>>785250
Blabantly wrong, drunk drivers are more imprisonned and for longer then child rapists, again, all you have to see is who is at the head of governements, it is drunk drivers or pedophiles ? Was Jeffrey Epstein a drunk driver or a pedophile ? Was Prince Andrew ? Is Donald Trump ? In fact, when you drunk drive you a litteral campaign founded by George W Bush to bash you down, to eliminate you, only among the working class will you find people more sympathetic to drunk drivers, only among the bourgeoisie will you find people sympathetic to pedophiles.

>>785257
Drunk drivers get too much sympathy
They kill children, pregnant women, and elderly.

They don’t get as heavy imprisonment as you think
And even then they get more public sympathy

>>785260
No, idiot jaywalkers kill themselves by jumping in the middle of the road.

>>785260
If you don't want drunk drivers build public transit. l

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daily reminder that being anti pedophilia is enough for a politician to get his entire career sabotaged. you are not anti system, you just support whatever ideology epstein picked out for you like a good goy

>>785269
Colleen Ballinger, Kevin Spacey, Roman Polanski, Jimmy Saville, Michael Jackson, Gary Glitter, Harvey Weinstein, R Kelly, Diddy Kong, Mark Justin Roiland, Krys Tyson, Julia Vickerman and many more had their careers and posthumous legacies be tarnished over alleged or minor sexual misconducts, with their careers being definitively destroyed by bourgeois sexual dogma.

The good goy in this case is you, who supports one bourgeois moralism whilst attacking another because you’re too cowardly to criticise the sacred cow of MeToo. Stop projecting.

And Thomas Massie wouldn’t have lost if he was a full-time Trump-sucker. Everyone since 2024 knows that you’ll never get far as a republican politician in the US without sucking Zion Don’s cock 24/7

>>785274
the president is a pedophile my ngga.
whys it that terminally online leftoids call everything they dislike bourgeois. no, people dont hate pedophilia because theyre bourgeois, they hate it because youre a gross faggot and no one will ever love you

>>785276
Ok boomercon

>>785197
idc about this retarded nonsense but strictly speaking about the pic yeah dicaprio is creepy but acting like the other part doesnt benefit in any way from it is so funny

>>785276
The problem is, pedophilia is being extended to include having sex with 18-24 yos

>>785261
Sometimes you have to jaywalks because there’s no crosswalks unless there’s an intersecting street and highways tend to have long distances between intersections

>>785264
Tell that to urban planners.
And get support from the public
Uber/Lyft are not always convenient especially since they’re only accessible via app and current availability in the area

>retards discover morals are arbitrary

The solution is simple. Reject morality as an idealist construction.

Most people dont like adults fucking 13 year olds. So we ban it. It's really as simple as that. Of course there will always be people who will cry about it and scream for its legalization, but its likely that these people will fail and be ostracized as well.

>>785298
Most adults don’t like transgender people around kids and that’s banned as well
Yet you call this reactionary

>>785304
source: your retarded ass

most people dont have strong opinions about trans people, especially non-ameritards

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So glad I don't have the "spend all day arguing about age and for pedophilia on niche imageboards" flavor of autism.

>>785298
You’re still engaging in idealism by engaging in appeals to popularity and disgust. By your logic, we should ban homosexuality since most people are disgusted by it: https://www.psypost.org/large-study-indicates-disgust-sensitivity-is-linked-to-prejudice-toward-gay-men-and-lesbian-women/

There’s also the fact that your logic would justify bans on communist party since most westerners have a negative opinion of it + there’s no communist party in the history of mass suffrage democracy that has ever won a landslide at the ballot.

>>785315
I wish this were true

>>785354
Don’t rely on this place for consistency in logic

>>785315
Your opinion is increasingly outdated: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/poll-shows-anti-trans-sentiment-114741532.html

https://apnews.com/article/pew-lgbtq-poll-transgender-acceptance-trump-a2971bdc2731f88ceacd64d7614d6152

So yeah, you don’t get to dictate on what’s valid or not based on the ever-shifting relativistic public opinion, especially as:

> "For example, Johnston and Franklin (1993) had subjects "evolve" a beautiful female face over iterated generations on a computer program designed to simulate natural selection. In the end, the most attractive versions of females' faces had proportions typical of girls aged 11-14. Braun, Gruendl, Marberger, and Scherber (2001) used morphing software to vary female characteristics and found that facial shapes of girls of about 14-years-old, with smooth, pure skin, produced the highest attraction ratings. They found that even the most attractive mature female faces could be made more attractive by morphing into them greater and greater degrees of immaturity. […] The foregoing considerations suggest a range of female ages, which most typically are capable of producing adaptive attraction responses in mature males with respect to reproduction. This range extends from puberty, when reproductive value is maximal, into the 20s, when fertility is greatest, and beyond while fertility lasts. Within this range, male preferences may typically peak, for example, at female ages of 17 or 18, a compromise of highest reproductive value (ages 12 or 13) and fertility (ages 22 or 23) (cf. Williams, 1975). Depending on local social and cultural conditions, this peak may be shifted (i.e., recalibrated) to younger or older female ages (Buss, 1989)."

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382

> More adolescents with no history of gender dysphoria—predominantly birth registered females2—are presenting at gender clinics. A recent analysis of insurance claims by Komodo Health found that nearly 18 000 US minors began taking puberty blockers or hormones from 2017 to 2021, the number rising each year.34 Surveys aiming to measure prevalence have found that about 2% of high school aged teens identify as “transgender.”5 These young people are also more likely than their cisgender peers to have concurrent mental health and neurodiverse conditions including depression, anxiety, attention deficit disorders, and autism.6 In the US, although Medicaid coverage varies by state and by treatment, the Biden administration has warned states that not covering care is in violation of federal law prohibiting discrimination.7 Meanwhile, the number of private clinics that focus on providing hormones and surgeries has grown from just a few a decade ago to more than 100 today.4

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This thread is an anti-lolicon false flag.

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Force feed BBC to poltard pedos

>>785369
Irony is, some poltards probably did diddle some black boys out of bbc obsession

>>785197
>In 2024, American Communist Party (ACP) top figure Haz Al-Din made the point that a man was being raped by a trans woman if the latter didn’t disclose their gender transition status beforehand, which some leftists found to be controversial

is this an issue like at all ?

>>785372
For trans rights activists yes, since not wanting to have sex with trans people is deemed by them to be transphobic. And calling them rapist if they lie about their gender transition status to have sex with uninformed cishet people is deemed sacrilegious.

I support trans rights, but even this is too far. No wonder there has been a massive rollback in trans rights after 2024.

>>785363
https://x.com/YouGov/status/1889235863361421420
Dios mio, people are so cruel. I hope this is all a lie and a fabrication.

>>785378
> I support trans rights, but
didn't read further.

>>785381
and you wonder why trans right support has been declining.

>>785398
Don’t expect any logical consistency in this place

>>785398
I understand everything, but if a trans woman doesn't say she's trans, that's NOT RAPE; it doesn't even come close to defining the term.
Rape is now a buzzword for subhumans who want to portray themselves as victims

>transgender discourse
>pedophilia/AoC
>ACP

The holy trinity of leftypol ragebait, lmao.

>>785205
False, it is a paraphilia antisocial sexual disorder.

>>785417
I don't think it fits my definition of rape, but its still a disgusting behavior to do to someone, as is anyone who lies to sleep with anyone really.


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