/siberia/ - Off-topic

Jews and Muslims are unironically more charitable to the homeless than christians.

Why do people not have the same sympathy for schools?
Compulsory law for schooling is coercive and unfortunately, not all kids are cut out for public schooling.

Especially with the increase in developmental disorders and other liability laws

Ryo is so cool

>The thing is that not every individual wants to work. Usually it's coercive. I consider coerciveness as unjust. Voooovwsh's coconut analogy is an example of this.
I think that it could be solved by UBI. A person with UBI has no coerciveness in this regard. If you don't want to work here, you don't like the circumstances of the occupation, you can always quit without risk of dying on a cold street.


If you apply the same for schooling then I’m on board

>>788961
Oh I didnt read your shit thread. I think you'll enjoy Henry George's writings more. He more or less argued that taxing away land rent (urban and rural) is essential to securing higher wages for workers while driving down the cost of living. I think Thomas Paine wanted some kind of proto UBI system for America where it's guaranteed by taxing land rent.

>>788966
>>788964
Someone is being bullied in school lol

Well, children don't have full legal capacity. They can't choose whether schooling is all right or not.

>>788971
I think it would be better to do away with rent altogether.
Taxing away rent sounds like it will just cause more problems. It may not even go back into the workers pockets

Domicile costs should only be for utilities

>>788974
Yet you wanna allow adults the option to not work and still get paid?
How is that logical

Also:
>someone is getting bullied at school

You downplay and dismiss the cesspool that is public schooling.

>>788961
Sounds like someone is a lazy ass who wants things handed to them

There’s a difference between struggling to find proper work and not wanting to work

>>788961
>It is not just, because it lessens the opportunity of choosing an occupation for a market agent (i.e. a working class prole).
But it increases the chance that those who do find work are guaranteed actual quality work, while those who can't find work can and should be helped by the state. This is much better than everyone having a job (which is impossible btw) but it's a shitty job that doesn't guarantee a decent standard of living.
>The thing is that not every individual wants to work
Not true even if we take coercion into account.
>I consider coerciveness as unjust
Coercion is a part of literally every society, and getting rid of it, if it's even possible, would require a much more fundamental reworking of society than just UBI+no labor laws.
>A person with UBI has no coerciveness in this regard
A person with UBI has "less" coerciveness because they can survive without a job, but realistically unless the UBI is very high they'll still want the minimum amount of money required to maintain community/family, to go to places and events, to participate in culture, to be given respect and dignity by peers and strangers, and a bunch of other things that nearly every modern human being engages in. Not only is this still a form of coercion, but in practice competition in the labor market will barely have been reduced.

>>788974
Yet you want adults to choose whether or not work is good for them or not?
Even animals have to work to survive.
This thread you’re making is counter productive to what leftism is all about

>>788980
This board is anti labor.
Lots of pro-NEET threads on here

>>788976
I didn't say compulsory schooling has to exist.
It's also fully logically consistent due to:
>children don't have full legal capacity
They shouldn't be regarded as their parents or another adult.

It rather depends on the will of parents of the kid, the existence of free public schooling. Parents have some opportunity to choose whether their child gets an education or not. If a jurisdiction has laws about schooling and provides the opportunity to enforce them (free public schooling), then it should exist out there.

>>788981
I don't give a fuck about animals. Deontology for humans, utilitarianism for animals (as Nozick said, idk?)

>>788980
>but realistically unless the UBI is very high they'll still want the minimum amount of money required to maintain community/family
This is an empirical observation which is yet to be verified.
>Not true even if we take coercion into account.
I'm an individual, I don't want to work. Hence, not every individual wants to work. Are you being serious, dude?
>But it increases the chance that those who do find work are guaranteed actual quality work
On the contrary, labor legislation is what makes full employment impossible. You know the point of Milton Friedman, don't you?
>Coercion is a part of literally every society
Still, my project is less coercive than the status quo and it's also more realistic than communism or another communism-like kind of post-capitalism.

>>788964
>i was bullied in school therefore schooling is universally bad
i swear to god

>>788990
>They shouldn't be regarded as their parents or another adult.

They’re not. But they’re regarded as pets or alter egos of their parents
Historically, children were punished for their parents crimes.



>It rather depends on the will of parents of the kid, the existence of free public schooling. Parents have some opportunity to choose whether their child gets an education or not. If a jurisdiction has laws about schooling and provides the opportunity to enforce them (free public schooling), then it should exist out there.

Compulsory law for schooling is enforced by the state.
And you isn’t g the word “should” here makes me leery.
Maybe work should be enforced for adults just the same way school is enforced for kids

Also, schooling is often more or less some shallow socialization experience that could be finished in a fraction of the time.

Labor is far more consequential for society than schools. It was labor that built society.
School came more or less as corollary to help make potential workers more efficient.

Nowadays, people treat school as some mandatory social labor, with willful disregard for how the workers world operates

>>788998
Never said that.
But ok, by your logic, why is it ok to slander work as inherently bad just because some people end up in shitty customer service jobs?

Why is it ok to condemn work but it’s wrong to criticize public schooling?

>>788990
>I don't give a fuck about animals. Deontology for humans, utilitarianism for animals (as Nozick said, idk?)

You’re deflecting.
If humans were to choose en masse to stop working and NEET, society will fall apart.

Utilitarianism exists for animals too

>pic
Fake news

>>788961
severely limited working hours. all other labor regulations are redundant.

>>789004
>But they’re regarded as pets or alter egos of their parents
Some ancaps may think that children are the property of their parents, but I don't think so. The lack of legal capacity of children doesn't mean parents have absolute power over their children. This conclusion just isn't the only one and necessary.

>Compulsory law for schooling is enforced by the state.
I don't mind the existence of the state, if it's a proper liberal democracy or if it has another kind of democratic self-governance. Let the people decide, c'mon.

>>789006
>If humans were to choose en masse to stop working and NEET, society will fall apart.
Not everyone would stop working. People who want to work or people who want to live better than the minimum ensured by UBI would work
Society would change, but would not fall apart.

Btw, is my shitty esl English understandable enough?

>>789005
both are normal aspects of life

>>789015
> Not everyone would stop working. People who want to work or people who want to live better than the minimum ensured by UBI would work
Society would change, but would not fall apart.

Maybe it would be better if all labor was divided into seasonal shifts.

>>789015
> Not everyone would stop working. People who want to work or people who want to live better than the minimum ensured by UBI would work
Society would change, but would not fall apart.

Maybe it would be better if all labor was divided into seasonal shifts.

> Some ancaps may think that children are the property of their parents, but I don't think so. The lack of legal capacity of children doesn't mean parents have absolute power over their children. This conclusion just isn't the only one and necessary

The state has legal authority but I’m talking about moral/ethical/developmental authority.

Society assumes that parents are the only adult party needed to watch over children
And oftentimes that leads to disaster.

There’s a reason why we have the saying “It takes a village to raise a child”.
Parents by themselves are usually incompetent.