Most of the "historical gay guy" category is full of bullshit based on liberal academia fanfictions from the 1990s. They are often as delusional as "Curt Cobain was trans guyz!!" but you have to take it seriously for some reason. Picrel being an example, the only gay adjacent thing he did was to publicly kiss a female looking eunuch as part of some political court intrigue.
It is particularly ubristic because there are actual historical gay guys like Frederik II whose homosexuality is hard to deny since there are actual proof backing it and not purposefuly mistranslated bullshit by homo fudanshi romantics from the 1920s or more contemporary obfuscations to push an agenda.
>Picrel being an example, the only gay adjacent thing he did was to publicly kiss a female looking eunuch
So does this mean it's not gay to kiss femboys?
>>790579about as gay as a girl kissing a very masculine girl
>>790581So fem/butch lesbian couples aren't gay?
>>790579The very feminine eunuchs of the past would map more with current day trans women. Though not all eunuchs had their genitals altered or crushed unlike what many people think, it was more of a cast for the feminine male born groomed into becoming bureaucrats, scribes, counselors, courtisans or prostitutes, oftentime several of these things.
And not to get into a deep sexology debate but most men that are attracted to those female looking femboys and trans women are very rarely gay guys, if ever, from what i gathered asking my homosexual relatives at least.
David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Bryan Ferry, Salvador Dali, Berlusconi all had sex with plenty of transwomen but none of them were gay for a few example.
gay people are rare nowadays even in accepting societies. why wouldnt they be rare in the past too
>>790584Idk about the rest but David Bowie was bisexual.
king james was definitely gay tho
>>790584Femboys and trans women dont aim for gay dudes as often anyway
>>790584Oh, so they’re basically bisexuals. I guess Kinsey was right in stating most humans are varying degrees of bisexuals.
>>790576>Having marched his armies into Balochistan, Alexander stopped to rest in Gedrosia where, one evening, he watched a play in the theatre. As the aulos players emerged on the stage, Alexander took his seat in marble at the very front of the audience. The king looked on expectantly at the stage, at its exquisitely painted back-drop, depicting the wild, untameable sea of Troy. A young man hurried into the seat directly next to Alexander. Alexander leaned in to kiss him, and the entire crowd cheered and applauded. The lover’s name was Bagoas, and he was far from the only man Alexander ever kissed. The most famous of his lovers, a man Alexander had known since he was a young teenager under the tutelage of Aristotle, was Hephaestion.
>When Alexander took the ancient and hallowed city of Troy, his army set up camp. In the early evening, the waning sun gilded that fabled grassy plain where Achilles and Hector struggled and died. Alexander and Hephaestion, accompanied by a small procession, set out on foot for a small tomb outside the ancient citadel. They knelt before the tomb, placing their interlocked hands upon it. It was believed to be the burial ground of the warriors Achilles and Patroclus, the two great lovers of the Trojan War. Alexander placed a crown of flowers on Achilles’ side of the tomb, and Hephaestion did the same on Patroclus’.
<and they were roommates! >>790671men can't have strong friendships anymore without it being seen as gay by big fujoshi
>>790668All hot except for the fat guy too many chins
>>790674he literally wanted to have Hephaestion made into a god when he died
>>790671>>790674men can't be friends; sooner or later they want to have sex with each other. male friendship is just long drawn out foreplay
>>790576Do "two-spirits" next.
>>790576Trajan, Hadrian, and Elagabalus definitely.
Julian the Apostate joked about it with Trajan.
>>790705Elagabalus was trans
>>790671How the hell is that gay you mongoloid faghag. That's what i meant in the OP: pure fanfiction and pruposeful obfuscation by playing dumb.
Historical guy was an incel? Gay.
Historical guy had male friends? Gay.
Historical guy litteraly had a wife and kids and have no records of homosexuality wathsoever? Also gay.
It's all nonsense headcanons taken VERY SERIOUSLY by liberal academias and popular culture despite being completely made up in post-WW2.
>>790698No one beside woke fat women in 2016 ever cared about this so it's non issue.
>>790840They literally went to the tomb of two famous gay warrior lovers, danced around it naked and revelled, and Alexander laid a tribute at the tomb of the top, and Hephaestion laid a tribute at the tomb of the bottom, how much more evidence do you need
yes Alexander married and had kids because he had to, that's what most gay men all through history have done (especially if they need to have a line of succession etc). He was possibly/probably bisexual but definitely seemed to prefer men.
>>790841>They literally went to the tomb of two famous gay warrior lovers, danced around it naked and revelled, and Alexander laid a tribute at the tomb of the top, and Hephaestion laid a tribute at the tomb of the bottomjust guy things
>>790698Two spirits was such a racist concept, generalising thousands of cultures, you wouldn't hear the same kind of term for Europe.
>>790840Most historians don't take these claims very seriously, as it's often propaganda made up by the ennemies, or a false interpretation of ancient rituals.
Ultimatly its impossible to really know the sexuality of people hundred or thousands of years ago.
Those sort of claims are either made by non-historians academics, or just polemics.
>>790745>He<When Aurelius addressed her with the usual salutation ‘my lord emperor, hail!’ [Elagabalus] bent her neck so as to assume a ravishing feminine pose, and turning her eyes upon him with a melting gaze, answered without any hesitation: ‘call me not lord, for I am a lady’Report for misgendering
>>790869Syrians were seen by the romans as being feminine and weak, therefore when criticism Syrian emperors, they claimed they wanted to be women.
Doesn't mean this actually happened, do you think Caligula made his horse a senator as well.
(Btw the historian who wrote this didn't use feminine pronouns for him)
>>790873>Syrians were seen by the romans as being feminine and weak, therefore when criticism Syrian emperors, they claimed they wanted to be women.Wrong. If someone was insulted in a similar spirit, then they were portrayed as weak and/or effeminate, but not as transgender.
>Doesn't mean this actually happened, do you think Caligula made his horse a senator as well.Analogy is not an argument.
>(Btw the historian who wrote this didn't use feminine pronouns for him)Yes, but that wasn't the point.
>>790876You're wrong, Julius Ceasar was nicknamed "queen of Bithynia" by his opponents for exemple. It was fairly common to allege that opponents wanted to be women in order to insult them. This doesn't make them transgender.
Again, if you use polemics as a source, then you have to accept sources ot the same value.
Being critical of sources is the basis of the Historian's work.
>>790882> Julius Ceasar was nicknamed "queen of Bithynia" by his opponents for exempleAnd? It's not the same thing, far from the same thing.
> It was fairly common to allege that opponents wanted to be women in order to insult them.You're lying, outright. Only Heliogabalus was subjected to such remarks.
>>790841>They literally went to the tomb of two famous gay warrior loversThe homosexuality of Achilles and Patroclus is debatable and vary a lot depending on the author. They are likely completely fictional character so it doesnt matter much. Wether they were understood as lovers during Alexanders time is also debatable. nothing point at them having such relationship in Homers at least, only in more tardive fictions.
>>790872I do not like christian revisionism around homosexuality and transgenderism either, just to be clear.
No one (important) was gay before 1880 is even more delusional.
>>790843True i am being unfair to them, i had more pop historians with vague academic associations in mind.
>>790884It pretty much is, calling your opponent effeminate as an insult. It was particularly hard on him because he was Syrian and because he actively went against Roman traditions by making his God the main roman God.
Do you also think Michelle Obama is a transgender woman as well ?
>>790905>It pretty much is, calling your opponent effeminate as an insult.So? It's one thing to call someone a bitch, but another to say they wore women's clothing, asked to be gendered as a woman, wanted sex reassignment surgery, and also to ask other people if they had similar experiences (in several sources). Such details can't be accidental; it should have been written about a transhumanist, or at least by a transhumanist as a projection.
>Do you also think Michelle Obama is a transgender woman as well ?An analogy is not an argument, especially THIS one.
>>790918An analogy is an argument you fucking retard.
>>790587>gay people are rare nowadaysOn what planet?
>>790900my final piece of evidence, if any more was needed
>When Alexander and Hephaestion went together to visit the captured Persian royal family, Sisygambis (mother of Darius III) knelt to Hephaestion to plead for their lives, mistaking him for Alexander — Hephaestion was the taller, and both young men were similarly dressed. When she realized her mistake, she was acutely embarrassed, but Alexander reassured her with the words, "You were not mistaken, Mother; this man too is Alexander."more very straight things, if you are not convinced by this you will not be convinced by anything
>>790924in proportion
Bisexual (self-reported) are also like double the size of "true" gays as well
>>790925>source : historian obsessed with seeing alchoolism in everything. Primary sources ? I dunnoI love wikipedia
>>790978He says, basing himself on the work of Christcuck historians
>>790576wasn't alexander's father assassinated by a male loveer
>>790978 man, I hate these kinds of piercings. They look like you've got food stuck on your face or something
>>790576>liberal academia fanfictions from the 1990s. going beyond the gay historical revisionism thing, liberal academics have a large bill to pay for all thr damage and brainwashing they have done.
ah fuck it. Let's ask real question, who was the top? Achilles or Patroclus?
>>791008I'd like to think that those guys are armed because they're defending the school from the chudjak shooter and they killed him and his body is right outside and that guy was the only casualty.
>>790972That's not what the paper says. It says that pederastry is the most common and widespread form of homosexuality. The fact that it was practiced society wide likely indicates that most of the people doing it weren't homosexuals in the modern sense.
>>791059They were “homosexual” insofar that they engaged in homosexual behavior. Whether or not most of them were exclusively homosexual is another question, considering that a pederast is just a gay or bisexual man sexually attracted to pubescent men (12-17).
sexuality isn't real so i don't care
>>791066Sure but the obvious implication the post is trying to make is that modern gay men (in the modern sense of the term of being attracted to adult men) are just pedos. Frankly it seems to me more like proof that most men in general tend towards wanting to fuck teenagers of both genders, since there is evidence that straight men mostly prefer teen girls to actual adult women as well.
>>790576>Most of the "historical gay guy" category is full of bullshit based on liberal academia fanfictions from the 1990s.ok let's say this is true. is there some further conclusion you're trying to make us come to or is that it?
>>790581butchsisters dont look…
>>791032achilles obviously
>>791124So look basicly u was made in 2016 by da jooz smh… dat means u bad af and we structuraly need to return to christianity or sumthin smh fam fr fr
>>791032Neither, they exclusively did hand and mouth stuff plus frotting.
>>790988I'm talking about you, all your takes are just regurgated propaganda from christians historians trying to denounce certain people, Same level as calling Michelle Obama Transgender.
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