So, I've had a friend getting increasingly radicalized into generic white nationalism twitter nonsense and arguing with him just seems pointless. I genuinely tried my best but every time he concedes to something, it's like his factory reset setting turned on the next day. When he admits he knows nothing about a topic it doesn't phase him, because it's clear he WANTS to hate even if he can't rationally justify it. Oftentimes he's not even really arguing with me but with his twitter strawmen or something. Yes, I did bring up economics but you have to understand this is a person that only cares about being bigoted, the culture war, etc. I'm seeing it as a lost cause and that I have to drop him as a friend, honestly.
>>790586Your friend is in a cult considering how white nationalism online often turns into a religion.
Cult deprogramming takes time. Your best bet if you want to stick to it would be to start off with questions in which aim is to make him reconsider his beliefs.
This is a good guide:
https://www.wikihow.com/Deprogram-a-Religious-Cult-Member try killing him
>>790630wtf is that gonna accomplish chekanon?
>>790632it would be funny
>>790586your wasting time trying to talk him out of it with 'facts'. butt why is he becoming radicalised? maybe there is a root reason in his life where something is missing?
maybe just call him a faggot or liberal whenever he acts chuddy
When I got accosted by police several times over stupid stuff that they shouldn't be accosting me for, it turned me very south on the political spectrum and I am very much minarchist nowadays
The thing about white nationalism is that, whites themselves, pretty much decided against it so they're left with very few options
I never was one, but transhumanisting out made me more leftist (although I wouldn't call myself left-wing, at most a centre-left)
people believe in whatever they want to believe in. theres no helping it
>it's clear he WANTS to hate even if he can't rationally justify it
Well, what do you want from us? This is the mindset, even if you groom him into communism, he will still remain a life-denying, sadistic shit.
>>790586If the left can't even convince their friends against white nationalism how are they gonna convince anyone of anything? I guess they can't so they become third worldists.
>>790699as if it was an easy task to convince sub-humanly stupid rural caucasoids that everything they think they know is retarded.
>>790586White nationalism, especially, is an egocentric phenomenon. It isn't just their political views… they see it as a part of their identity, and the loss of this cause as the loss of their own ego.
They see themselves as White.
When people debate, they usually don't change their views that much fundamentally, but a small shift.
Very rarely do candidates move from one side to another side… they're far more interested in taking advantage of the social stratification of people into political parties.
>>790586give him something better to hate, porkies
alternatively, just tell him you find his politics retarded and to simply not talk to you about it
>>790718t. Monarchist Epstein
Not really sure what made me a leftist, I think it started from me hating creationists who thought the earth was 6000 years old and from there I started disliking conservatives in general. Then later when I started working it all clicked and I started reading theory.
Was driven by anger for sure. Most political opinions are first brought by emotion then reasoned about later. I do think some people are beyond saving though I mean you have to be exceptionally stupid to become an unironic racist in 2026, I'm not sure how you come back from that. Even if your buddy became a communist I still wouldn't trust him because at his core he's a deeply retarded person. I would just ditch him, he made his choice.
I was raised conservative, then I became an ancap, then a bit after big T got elected I looked into the history of anarchism and realized I'm an idiot
What are we actually wrong about? The only thing leftists care about is dysgenics and endlessly worsening society for white people. Infinity brownoids, 90% taxes for welfare programs, self-hatred because slavery, deindustrialization because of climate change or whatever, never ever ever ever prosecute wholesome criminals they had a tough life :*((((, chop of your childs genitals, pretentiously thinking you're smart because LARP having read 200 year old books, JUST WANTING HEKIN HEALTHCARE, etc.
Leftists can become right-wing, right-wingers can become apolitical, but no one with self respect joins the left from the right. On the top of my head i could name dozens of former marxist who became fascists (both contemporary and historically). I doubt there is more than one or two cases of the reverse.
I stopped following @TradWest, @EndWokeness, @GigaBasedDad on xitter
>>792829you people physically can't stop lying and its pretty sad
>>792920>you people physically can't stop lying and its pretty sadInb4 "actually everything you said is happening and that's a good thing"
>>792829>chop of your childs genitals, pretentiously thinking you're smart because LARP having read 200 year old books, JUST WANTING HEKIN HEALTHCARE, etc.That's funny because right wingers promote circumcision which is genital mutilation. They promote religious books which are centuries old an are redundant, they wanna deny health care and they wanna make life hell for white people by importing poor ethnics for cheap labor.
>>790586Seriously can we stop with these threads?
So what if your friend chooses some cringe ideology?
Just drop them. Stop trying to reason with people. Let them go on about their bullshit as long it doesn't affect your livelihood
>>792927That's a good critique of conservatism and i agree with it, but not fascism. Apart from the "right-wing" label those two groups are nothing alike. If i had my way circumcision & christianity would be outlawed and healthcare would be free for citizens (not migrants, obviously).
I stopped being rightoid when I reached the age of reason
I stopped being leftoid when I read Marx
I'm currently a communist
>>792931You know what's funny?
Fascism was originally considered a leftist thing
>>792931your tard ideology is just your feelings of sexual inferority given context by the ruling class's propaganda. You're a barely functioning automaton meatshield for billionnaire pedophiles (they're white so it's "based" in your book).
>>792949Yeah i know.
>>792966The pedophile elite is characteristically jewish rather than white and you will never ever ever entertain that thought soley because it's too "icky" for you.
>>793082>characteristically jewishyeah 20% of them are, the rest is your worthless zionist "aryans", frontline meatshield
>>793082Most of those "Jewish" elites aren't even Jewish.
>>793125Why then are most of them lightskinned then? Even having white people phenotypes
>>793148>>793155>Why then are most of them lightskinned then?You mean why do jews appear white but are not? It's because jews have about 13% european ancestry, but genetically they are still a distinct from europeans and other races. This is entirely uncontroversial too. Jews agree they aren't white, culturally, genetically or religiously when asked about it too. They love to pretend to be white publicly though to smear white people as a whole.
>>793172Or maybe Jewry doest exist?
The real Jewish descendants would be more the Palestinians.
These Jews you mentioned are Sephardim and Khazars.
Just pagan tribes that adapted Judainsm.
If you read your Bible, there's been alot of dilution of bloodline with pagan tribes
>>793172> They love to pretend to be white publicly though to smear white people as a whole.So just like you
>>793125See what I mean OP? Right wingers will look at facts and just ignore them to keep believing there cope. This guy just got proven wrong in real time and just will go on about his day like nothing happened. You can't reason with right wingers.
Violence is the only language they understand, everything else is cope.
>>793193>Or maybe Jewry doest exist?Jews don't exist religiously, genetically, politically or culturally? Delusional in all cases. What is Isreal if not Jewry??
>If you read your BibleNo thanks.
>>793229What facts? That there are a lot of shabbos goyim and jews only make up like ~1% of the total population. Yeah, wow, i didn't know thanks for enlightening me. Doesn't make the ruling class any less characteristically un-jewish. Like, what goes through your head when the US declares war on behalf of Isreal in the middle east every couple years, Diplomats and Senators all say they work on behalf of Isreal (rather than on behalf of their own fucking districts),Epstein says he works on behalf of Isreal (and the Jews), every media organization is run by jews, etc. ?
>>793247>shabbos goyimYeah that's what I thought. You have to retreat on your prior point that jews control everything and go "UHHH ACTUALLY THOSE WHITE PEOPLE ARE SECRET JEWS BECAUSE THEY JUST ARE OKAY".
>"THE CHRISTIAN IMPERIALISTS WANT A PROXY IN THE MIDDLE EAST? THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE!!" Actual retard. That's why I say there's no reasoning with people like you. Do you think the US just supports israel for no reason? Do you think they were put under a spell like a video game? Do you actually believe every single politician is being blackmailed by yahu personally? They are both agents of capital and have a mutual interest in halting development of muslim countries.
It's so embarassing that what was common sense in the bush years is now some crazy concept because rightoids can't comprehend any situation that isn't "INSERT ENEMY = BAD, WHITE = GOOD"
it's the final result of rejecting logic and going all in on idpol. You will never become a leftist because you are not a materialist. It's why the concept is so foreign to you. You have no way of analysis that isn't just believing some random guy on /pol/, as a result you can't ever hope to understand us.
>>793247>Jews don't exist religiously, genetically, politically or culturally? Delusional in all cases. What is Isreal if not Jewry??They’ve been diluted to nothing after the diaspora.
They’ve adapted Judaism as a way to cope but once again, due to the fact they have had miscegenated with pagans and adapted some of their practices, the modern Judaism is different from the Bronze Age original
How and why is this uyghur allowed here? And why do you keep engaging with him? Jannies fix this site.
>>793285A shabbos goy is a *non-jew* (typically white) that acts subservient to jews, which describes almost every political representative the west has. I don't deny they're white, but it's dishonest to ignore that the system as a whole is *characteristicly-jewish* . It's not merely white in the way NS germany was white.
>Do you think they were put under a spell like a video game? Do you actually believe every single politician is being blackmailed by yahu personally?Yes to both. The geneology of christianity is undeniably that of a jewish sect running amok. Epstein was a political blackmail ring run by Mossad. You can phrase it in mocking ways, but that doesn't make it any less true. It's actually pathetic how much of a bitch we whites are to jews.
>They are both agents of capital and have a mutual interest in halting development of muslim countries>it's the final result of rejecting logic and going all in on idpolThere is no cosmic law of the universe that entities or people *have* to act in their own interests. The west hasn't been acting in it's interest in a century. How it works is that over time anyone who doesn't act in their interests just dies off. And "dying off" is the what basically defines the era we live in right now, doesn't make every suicidally stupid decision or ethnic grievance some 569D Capital Chess move. Isreal is just full of jews that pathologically hate their neighbours so they lobby/blackmail the West into bombing them to the stone age. The west is full of boomers and shitlibs and cowards that go along with anything. We donate 5 trillion $ to Africa because it gives us nice tingly feelings in our tummy. Climate change shitlibs get off on razing nuclear power plants because… i don't even fucking know why. There is zero self-interest or "Capital" that factor into this collective suicide of ours. By 2100 our civilization will just be dead and east asia will be the main civilizational force simply because they didn't do this stupid shit we did.
>You will never become a leftist because you are not a materialist.Funny because i got kicked out from the left years ago for taking evo psych too seriously when really it's just applied historical materialism.
>>793311That's just nonsense.
>>793343Bro, you’re schizo
Also, whites have implemented exploitative systems to extract wealth from ethnics and their own white neighbors
>>793343>That's just nonsense.There’s a lot of anti Zionists who agree that Jewry is a fabrication
>>793529>you’re schizoName one factual inaccuracy or fuck off
>whites have implemented exploitative systems to extract wealth from ethnics and their own white neighborsGod i fucking wish that was true. Unfortunately reality is the exact opposite. We literally pump trillions of dollars into Africa and god knows what else. I don't even want to calculate the cumulative cost of free healthcare browns were gifted over the centuries. Silly world.
>>793532>There’s a lot of anti Zionists who agree that Jewry is a fabricationThe geneology of the jewish people can be clearly mapped out. Anything entering the territory of "we are/they aren't the real jews" is genuine schizo stuff.
>>793546>God i fucking wish that was true. Unfortunately reality is the exact opposite. We literally pump trillions of dollars into Africa and god knows what else. I don't even want to calculate the cumulative cost of free healthcare browns were gifted over the centuries. Silly world.A lot of those charity aids given to Africa are rarely given to civilians
Also brown countries have been exploited by white colonists
To deny this is to admit that you’re an entitled loser.
>The geneology of the jewish people can be clearly mapped out. Anything entering the territory of "we are/they aren't the real jews" is genuine schizo stuff.Can you provide evidence of this?
>>793561>A lot of those charity aids given to Africa are rarely given to civiliansDoesn't make a difference to the point at hand which is that we throw money into a black hole for zero gain whatsoever.
>Also brown countries have been exploited by white colonistsNo. Just straight up false. 95% of those all colonialist/exploitation narratives are just utterly made up or exaggerated to hell. For example when i google how much the Colonial Britian exploited India it says ~45£ trillion, but multiplying the peak of the Indian population with it's highest GDPPC throughout the period just barely reaches 43 trillion. The profit margin of slavery was 12 to 14% compared to the industry average of 10 to 12%. Colonies in Africa barely broke even because logistics where expensive and *nobody* ever accounts for that. It's a total farce. This stuff is only beyond reproach because it's convenient for everyone involved to guilttrip whites into giving them even more stuff.
>To deny this is to admit that you’re an entitled loser.Ok.
>Can you provide evidence of this?https://jewinthecity.com/2024/07/no-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-genetically-european/ Unique IPs: 29