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can you be left wing and like the roman empire ?

no you have to be a carthage chad

no you have to be a judaean chad

I think it had a few good moments despite being mostly fucked.

no you have to be a phrygian puppygirl

if you're left wing you can't like anything sorry

no you have to be a druid soy

>>792718
Absolutely. Roman empire and pax romana it caused was historically progressive compared to previous warring city states period.

>>792718
You tell me.

>It was slavery that first made possible the division of labour between agriculture and industry on a larger scale, and thereby also Hellenism, the flowering of the ancient world. Without slavery, no Greek state, no Greek art and science, without slavery, no Roman Empire. But without the basis laid by Hellenism and the Roman Empire, also no modern Europe. We should never forget that our whole economic, political and intellectual development presupposes a state of things in which slavery was as necessary as it was universally recognised. In this sense we are entitled to say: Without the slavery of antiquity no modern socialism.

>It is very easy to inveigh against slavery and similar things in general terms, and to give vent to high moral indignation at such infamies. Unfortunately all that this conveys is only what everyone knows, namely, that these institutions of antiquity are no longer in accord with our present conditions and our sentiments, which these conditions determine. But it does not tell us one word as to how these institutions arose, why they existed, and what role they played in history. And when we examine these questions, we are compelled to say—however contradictory and heretical it may sound—that the introduction of slavery under the conditions prevailing at that time was a great step forward. For it is a fact that man sprang from the beasts, and had consequently to use barbaric and almost bestial means to extricate himself from barbarism. Where the ancient communities have continued to exist, they have for thousands of years formed the basis of the cruellest form of state, Oriental despotism, from India to Russia. It was only where these communities dissolved that the peoples made progress of themselves, and their next economic advance consisted in the increase and development of production by means of slave labour. It is clear that so long as human labour was still so little productive that it provided but a small surplus over and above the necessary means of subsistence, any increase of the productive forces, extension of trade, development of the state and of law, or foundation of art and science, was possible only by means of a greater division of labour. And the necessary basis for this was the great division of labour between the masses discharging simple manual labour and the few privileged persons directing labour, conducting trade and public affairs, and, at a later stage, occupying themselves with art and science. The simplest and most natural form of this division of labour was in fact slavery. In the historical conditions of the ancient world, and particularly of Greece, the advance to a society based on class antagonisms could be accomplished only in the form of slavery. This was an advance even for the slaves; the prisoners of war, from whom the mass of the slaves was recruited, now at least saved their lives, instead of being killed as they had been before, or even roasted, as at a still earlier period.”

—Anti-Dühring Section 2; Chapter 4
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch16.htm

Romans were imperialists. So no, you'd have to be an imperialist.

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>>792718
The Roman Republic and Empire is certainly an interesting object of historical study. And in that sense I certainly like it. I do not think it was a nice place to live.

>>792789
just because they won doesnt mean it was historically progressive. i think they set us back at least a few hundred years

>>792865
In what way?

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>>792718
Why not? Anything goes.


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