Here we offer principled critiques of our agitprop wing's output.
The idea that westoids have to "work or starve" is unconvincing to other westoids. Or really anyone but western leftists. Western right wingers are the actual class conscious ones, their intervention is "we're on the same side you moron. Just enjoy the treats". Leftists just want a " more fair" distribution of imperial superprofits: western masses are not convinced, they think they can just increase the bombings, thus the irrelevance of the western left.
See matt christman on "zen fascism", except he thinks the westoid leftists are right.
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Should probably be in /meta/
If it is simply the jannies not knowing any better, then maybe this thread will lead to them being ready to make a fedi account without making an embarrassment of the site.
>>792800Don't worry, this thread will be deleted in a couple hours and I'll be banned for two weeks regardless of which board I would've posted it on.
>>792785Unless you're running a welfare scam I'm not sure how you can avoid work and not starve. But the same would be true of socialism, every able bodied adult will be compelled to work. He who does not work, neither shall he eat, and all that.
>>792805Yeah, it's just not a marxist position
Marx accepted that the sale of one's labor power is voluntary (what distinguishes proletarians from serfs and slaves) under capitalism, and that market exchanges are "fair"
The interesting question is what this results in, ie immanent critique
>>792785OP you dumbass, that tweet didn't specify westerners or "westoids." Not every marxist analysis must be assumed western by default.
>reads the rest of the postOh OP is Hasan or Haz. No one cares about "treatlers" outside of twitter, that's not a real thing.
>>792809 (me)
Or even more likely, OP is the janny running the twitter account, so they're poisoning the well of criticizing the twitter account so when actual criticism starts to gain traction they can brush it off as Hasanite nonsense.
>>792809It's not marxist analysis
Read capital any time pls
Having to work in order to exist isn't unique to capitalism it's a natural necessity
Exchanges are indeed fair and voluntary under "proper" capitalism
>>792811There's a difference between being coerced into working and working out of necessity. Under capitalism people work under threat of starvation and jailing, under socialism and beyond people work because they want to help build the community and to avoid going insane from boredom. Look at China, for example.
>>792813Actually, under socialism people work because otherwise nothing would get done, including maintaining human existence, so it's no less "coercive"
“The realm of freedom really begins only where labour determined by necessity and external expediency ends; it lies by its very nature beyond the sphere of material production proper. … Freedom in this field can only consist in socialised man, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their common control, instead of being ruled by it as by a blind force; and achieving this with the least expenditure of energy and under conditions most favourable to, and worthy of, their human nature. But it always remains a realm of necessity.”
Nowhere does it say "u only work cuz bored lol"
>>792815>Actually, under socialism people work because otherwise nothing would get done, including maintaining human existenceMinus the humanism, yes.
>so it's no less "coercive"You have no idea what coercion means.
>Nowhere does it say "u only work cuz bored lol"Nor did I say such. People will feel the urge to work even when all socially necessary work is covered.
>>792815This.
There’s been a massive antiwork sentiment that’s been plaguing Leftypol
>>792817>>792813Schooling is far more coercive than work
At least with work you have an option.
>>792821My point is that work itself is not inherently coercive, work under capitalism is. Same for schooling: kids come out of the oven wanting to learn things, it keeps them sane. The only reason they grow averse to it is because of how hellishly manipulative school is under capitalism.
>At least with work you have an option.Unschooling and neglegent homeschooling are counterexamples. Also you can only have the choice to work under capitalism if you have savings.
The twitter isnt ran by any jannies it's by some anon
>>792791Revisionism isn't anyone's "buzzword", it has been used by Marxists since forever. It succintly describes the actions of people who distort facts, theories and histories to suit their purposes.
Also it's obvioisly an ironic meme, so your critique isn't "principled" but dishonest.
>>792907Bordiggers say falsifier
>>792907Why are leftcoms making "Ironic" memes where they portray themselves as racists?
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