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What's /siberia/'s opinion on veganism? Should we really stop eating meat or nah?

>>793626
if you want to be a vegan then go ahead, I don't see the point though, personally. human beings evolved to eat meat, it is a nutritious source of protein and dietary fats, and it's fucking tasty. I will not be swayed by moral arguments regarding animal consciousness or propensity for pain or whatever 'name the trait' type rhetoric that people utilize to browbeat meat eaters into submission.

I like meat, but I'm willing to concede a few points. vegans are generally right about the brutality of industrial agriculture and the livestock do needlessly suffer, which I think should be curtailed somehow. I also generally agree that people should consume less meat overall because, from field to slaughterhouse to table, it consumes a lot of natural resources that could be better put to use elsewhere.

however, unless you can make a convincing argument for why lab meat should take precedence over livestock, then I don't think much will change in terms of overall meat consumption. although, people do already consume a lot of 'frankenfoods' that are meat-adjacent but still otherwise highly suspect, like highly processed transglutaminase bound giblets that are forced into the shape of a patty, so maybe people won't mind consuming lab grown meat as an alternative, though I would be wary of its nutritious value and would likely still prefer "real" meat if given the choice.

I'm down with vegetables but I really just don't see why people can't have a balanced diet, why is everyone so fucking extreme with their diet?

Vegans are correct but I like borgar

>>793736
>>793821
idk, nutrition science is constantly evolving and being revised and we don't know nearly everything there is (which science does?) veganism doesn't work without supplementing vitamins (B12 atleast) and that should tell you we evolved to eat atleast some animal products, since there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, the only argument for veganism is a moral one.

dont think veganism prevents futures from being processed tbh. maybe it hurts it a little but u gotta be more like the animal liberation front besides getting into arguments online. not a vegan tho.

>>793845
I think the safest diet would be minimising processed food and heavily skewed towards plants with minimal animal consumption but not eliminated entirely because there are no tribal peoples that live entirely on veganism the only exceptions would be lacto-vegetarian sects that existed throughout history and still do in India/Asia but that is contingent on having lactose tolerance which not every population has.

>>793626
Veganism is cool but I’m not

>>793850
bro wtf man why you guys trolling this innocent old lady like c'mon man she's probably had nightmares after watching that.

>>793853
She is anything but innocent

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>>793854
so what'd she do?

>>793856
She used to be a horrible woke scolding troll who would harass er naysayers

Literal Karen

>>793860
So like everyone on this site, but also a woman?

>>793861
The spirit of the Karen enraptures us all

>>793856
The picrel is absolute art.

Mixed opinions
I don't think moralizing to people eating rotisseries is helpful (if that shit even happens and every vegan is a meme) and humans evolved to atleast benefit from meat and milk..yet at the same i get them, millions of animal a year is devastating loss of life, imagine all the rotten leftover meats that were born fed drinking water shot up on hormones milked dry killed after years just to have tossed parts

Eat Chuds Not Candies


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>>793736
>I will not be swayed by moral arguments regarding animal consciousness or propensity for pain

It's not really a moral argument. If you admit you don't care about animal suffering, it angers us who do care about it, and we consider you as an enemy.

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>>793626
We should eat pic related instead

>>793977
I keep seeing this a lot.
The truth is, Jesus message is just a recycled script of moralistic platitudes
Idk why Christianity acts like they invented morality

>>793978
The solution would be to reintroduce hunting under strict regulations

I hear that deer run wild and spread ticks due to hunting being restricted

Also, people view snakes as bad but forget that they help eat mice and squirrels that would eat your crops

We can just further the development of lab grown meat.
>but it's expensive
So is real beef, but it's heavily subsided with tax incentives, and also bought from poorer countries such as Brazil.

>>793975
she's unironically correct tho. you're just a liberal

petty-bourgeois idealist bullshit

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>>793977
>>794033
Okay either you guys or joking or you actually think that there is no difference between the barbecuing of chickens in America and the burning of Jews in the holocaust. Animals do have rights that are violated too often and the human population should eat less meat than it currently does (especially beef) or at least distribute it properly but you can’t unironically believe that humans are just as valuable as animals because they are not.

>>794032
its one of those issues that wouldve been fixed in like 10 years if we just had a rational economic system.

>>794041
why would animals be less valuable than people?

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>>794045
>Human meat tastes like and has a texture similar to pork
How do you know that?

>>794046
Because animals are not as intelligent as humans

>>794050
so people with mental disabilities, down syndrome, et cetera matter less than an average person?

>>794047
probably from google
although i do wonder how would society today look like if human meat didn't give humans severe kuru disease and nerve damage from how you're basically filling yourself with your own DNA. would we be eating each other even more openly? will slaves in plantations or POWs be cooked alive regularly? will we try to form some global liberal humans rights to stop people from eating each other or humans from overseas?

>>794052
>name the trait
>just go ahead and find a trait that humans posses that sets them apart from animals
the trait is the state of being human. it's simply that. just like white supremacists use superficial genetic traits to draw a distinction between themselves and non-whites, the same rationale can be used to place a, perhaps irrational, innate value on humankind over non-humans.

it only makes sense to disassociate with a creature that is not like your own kind. now, here's where the fucking alien hypotheticals come in, people will chime in with shit like
>yeah but what if a race of highly intelligent alien life form came to our planet and determined that humans are tasty as fuck
>and furthermore, they determined that humans are not of sufficient intellect to be granted moral consideration
>would you be okay with them eating us?
and to that I would say that they can fucking try, humans will put up a fight, and if we can't fight, then our demise is merely the natural order of things. rules of nature, bitch. that's just how it goes, the weak are eaten by the strong. humans aren't the only species to eat others, so why are you not holding animals of a lesser intellect to the same standards that you would impose on us? oh, because they're not as intelligent, right? why does that matter? do you think that if a cheetah had the appropriate intellect to understand the pain that it inflicts upon the gazelle in the process of hunting it, that it'd defy its own nature to abstain from eating meat?
>oh but that's bad faith because humans are omnivores, the cheetah doesn't have a choice
yeah but would the cheetah still not be mortified of its own existence as a killing machine? and besides, do you not consider plants to be worthy of preservation? what if a plant is destroyed by the pillaging of its fruit? what if the plant simply feels a great deal of pain from the pillaging of its fruit? what if the plant would object to he pillaging of its fruit on the basis that it gathered the resources necessary to bear that fruit of its own accord and does not authorize its theft by you? yes, I'm getting sort of ridiculous here, but bear with me, the point is this: at some point, a line has to be drawn. where do you draw that line? at some point, some amount of suffering is taking place, as it is the very nature of survival to pillage from other lesser creatures their resources.

at best, as the 'apex predators' on this planet, we have a moral responsibility to care for the lesser beings that bless us with their bounty. we can do this by making them as comfortable in life as possible, and killing them in humane ways when their time comes. in regard to the alien analogy, this is the only thing we as humans could do, attempt to appeal to our captors and forge an accord with them, in the hopes of attaining better treatment. currently, animals have no way of doing that, so if you want to get all misty eyed about the fate of animals, then fine. that is a noble cause, but there's really no way you can escape the nature of being a 'taker' in terms of your existence on this planet and the need for sustenance. well all take blood, water, and the resources of other beings. it's fact.

food for thought: your pet cat or dog or horse or whatever is not your equal. that animal is your dependent, and exists to be your pet because humans have developed the predilection for pet ownership. they have no say in how their living quarters are furnished, or even where they are allowed to reside. they have no say in whether or not to receive injections or suppositories from vets, and they don't have a choice in what they eat. some dogs get their tails and ears clipped to embody a certain aesthetic as deemed necessary by their owner (which they don't get a say in), and so it is true for some cats who are declawed without their consent. the point being that animals will always be subservient to the human race; all that changes is their role, whether it be as a pet or as a carcass to be cut up for its meat. if you really gave a shit about the animals, you'd take time to reconsider whether or not this subservience in itself is in the animal's best interests, but most vegans who are pet owners probably have never considered the thought of what life would be like for their pet if left to their own devices, outside of the evolutionary circumstances that have been pushed upon them by humanity.

>>794050
Tomdathinker. If animals are so much less intelligent than humans, why are they capable of driving in differing environments without special equipment?
And why are they able to get sex easily whereas humans cannot nowadays?

Veganism only makes sense if you also end the predation problem and sterilize/phase out all predatory species. Animals don't care if their predator is human or not.

>>794052
People with mental disabilities are a part of the same species so eating them would be cannibalism, and if your gonna defend cannibalism while still advocating for veganism I will refuse to believe you are not a troll
>>794130
Animals can’t talk and build houses and technology

>>794143
> Animals can’t talk and build houses and technology

They do talk. Just not with words
There’s animals that communicate with pheromones.
Also animals can and do build houses
Look at how ants and termites build huge mounds
Birds build nests
Even primates do

>>794050
after reading many of your posts im pretty sure most crows and gorillas are more intelligent than you

>>794173
Yea.
No offense but Tom is kinda sycophantic.

>>794143
>if your gonna defend cannibalism while still advocating for veganism I will refuse to believe you are not a troll
im against both. where did i say i was pro eating people? if anything you should be pro eating people if intelligence dictates if it's ok to eat them.

>>794133
We need to abolish consumption of life in its entirety. End the cursed history of eating.

>>794173
I disagree, I would say that most worms are smarter than you.
>>794175
Sycophantic to whom?!?! Because you are acting pretty damn sycophantic to an Anon who defends That Vegan Teacher!!!
>>794268
No I shouldn’t.

>>793626
Lets just say that im more impressed by actual animal activists than people being smug about their diet.

>>794298
>No I shouldn’t.
your logic says you should. you're wrong and that's ok

The reason why people get so pissed at preaching vegans, as opposed to for example religious nuts who just get laughted at (oh Im going to hell for doing yoga? ok lmao) is that vegans arent pushing their morals on others, but merely holding a mirror to other peoples failure of living up to their own principles. Everyone, baring sadistic psychopaths, recognises industrial animal farms and slaughterhouses are an attrocity, yet their actively support it mostly out of habit and confort.

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