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I genuinely believe some people (possibly the majority) are inherently incapable of cognition and just kinda live in autopilot. Like when you're in a dream and whatever insane bullshit can happen and you just go on with it and never question it.

>mental gymnastics to justify overthinking everything
empty minded people are happier

I truly think everyone is capable of grasping high level concepts, it's just that the economic base has created a superstructure that places everybody on a path where being in a dreamlike fugue state is the default and is rewarded. To wake up from a dream often requires trauma, mental illness, social exclusion, a disregard for one's financial state, an incessant need for answers beyond the surface level, and a frankly annoying need for constant intakes of new data that pushes the boundaries of your current understanding. Basically only retards bother to wake up from the dream because it doesn't get you anything material and it only makes you more miserable to understand how fucked everything is, so why worry?

>>793952
Wrong it’s the opposite. Society likes to promote pain and struggle as a virtue, to the point of delusion.
All the trauma and mental illness you described come from idealism.
Society promote”changing the world” as the only path of enlightenment.
People who choose to retreat to “dream world” are shamed and mocked

>>793930
This is the kind of opinion that out of touch pseudo intellectuals promote

It’s ironic that people in OP are often found out to be the least likely to do any sincere critical thinking

>Wrong it’s the opposite. Society likes to promote pain and struggle as a virtue, to the point of delusion.
Bruh you are very out of touch and possibly terminally online. In real life people talk about going to school, getting an education, a good paying job, having a family, and being happy. Yes, "hard work" is valued but not pain. The average person is not some kind of manosphere stoic they just want to be happy and have good lives and this does not require them to have critical thinking, complex ideas, or requires them to question if the world we live in.
>All the trauma and mental illness you described come from idealism.
This is nonsense. Trauma comes from real experiences that deeply scar a person mentally. Are you trying to say mental illness is idealism? When a person gets sexually abused and treated like an animal as a child none of that has any material being to it? Sheer nonsense.
>Society promote”changing the world” as the only path of enlightenment.
>People who choose to retreat to “dream world” are shamed and mocked
The liberal idea of "changing the world" is not actually about changing anything, but rather just doing little things like being kind to people, donating to charity, "doing the right thing", etc. People would say that questioning the Imperialist global order would be "living in a dream world", became they are too uneducated and ignorant to be cognizant of this reality. The average person defends the global order and believes than any resistance to it or ideas of revolution are fantasy. Even when people are directly confronted with police violence, government corruption, genocide, etc. they're too afraid to speak out against it and consider that particular experience to be an outlier or an exception to an otherwise "fair" system.

>>793957
> People would say that questioning the Imperialist global order would be "living in a dream world", became they are too uneducated and ignorant to be cognizant of this reality. The average person defends the global order and believes than any resistance to it or ideas of revolution are fantasy. Even when people are directly confronted with police violence, government corruption, genocide, etc. they're too afraid to speak out against it and consider that particular experience to be an outlier or an exception to an otherwise "fair" system.

See what I mean? This sentiment you stated is exactly the same words I hear every point of the political axis says.

“Everyone is a sheeple except me”

> Bruh you are very out of touch and possibly terminally online. In real life people talk about going to school, getting an education, a good paying job, having a family, and being happy. Yes, "hard work" is valued but not pain. The average person is not some kind of manosphere stoic they just want to be happy and have good lives and this does not require them to have critical thinking, complex ideas, or requires them to question if the world we live in


And people are condemned for wanting this sort of simplicity. Our current year media willfully guilt trips people into accepting conflict and detouring as some “character growth”

> The liberal idea of "changing the world" is not actually about changing anything, but rather just doing little things like being kind to people, donating to charity, "doing the right thing", etc.


Yes but people aren’t really appreciating of that. They think changing the world should be exactly like the superhero movies they watch

> This is nonsense. Trauma comes from real experiences that deeply scar a person mentally. Are you trying to say mental illness is idealism? When a person gets sexually abused and treated like an animal as a child none of that has any material being to it? Sheer nonsense


You are being willfully obtuse with me.
I’m talking about the trauma you described:

< To wake up from a dream often requires trauma, mental illness, social exclusion, a disregard for one's financial state, an incessant need for answers beyond the surface level, and a frankly annoying need for constant intakes of new data that pushes the boundaries of your current understanding. Basically only retards bother to wake up from the dream because it doesn't get you anything material and it only makes you more miserable to understand how fucked everything is, so why worry?


This kind of trauma that is ideology being forced onto people as means of emotional crutch.
I say that idealism is a mental illness in how overpromoted it is.

>>793952
> I truly think everyone is capable of grasping high level concepts, it's just that the economic base has created a superstructure that places everybody on a path where being in a dreamlike fugue state is the default and is rewarded

This is a common indignatory opinion that isn’t as correct as you think.
The idea that “complacency/ignorance is bliss” is a psyop meant to justify midwits.

Most people are miserable and underrewarded in their state of complacency

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>>793930
>whatever insane bullshit can happen and you just go on with it and never question it
Americans literally have parts of their dicks amputated at birth and basically no one questions this.

>>793969
>See what I mean? This sentiment you stated is exactly the same words I hear every point of the political axis says.
>“Everyone is a sheeple except me”
uygha how can you take a post that says material conditions shape the social consciousness and then interpret this as me saying some idealistic shit that people are ignorant because they want to be? Learn to read, this discussion is clearly above your level of education.

>>793992
>This is a common indignatory opinion that isn’t as correct as you think.
Most people see themselves as smarter than everyone else.
>The idea that “complacency/ignorance is bliss” is a psyop meant to justify midwits.
>Most people are miserable and underrewarded in their state of complacency
While it is true that most people are miserable in their complacency, people are mostly conservative and do not bother to question the world they live in because the culture is entirely centered around making sure that any such thought might be too extremist or radical. Complacency isn't bliss but it's comfortable, and unless something is forcing you to leave this comfortable place then there's no reason to risk your sanity and try to find answers in a world that clearly doesn't offer any. In fact a lot of internet culture now is that straying from the herd will turn you into an incel chud who stops touching grass. The ones who are curious and spend too much time "doing research" aka consuming rightoid memes on X now get funneled into the extremely powerful rightoid propaganda machine. Faced with this schizo horror getting worse by the day complacency becomes safety, not bliss. Thanks to the death of intellectualism now every person faces a treacherous journey filled with ideological landmines.

>>794008
>While it is true that most people are miserable in their complacency, people are mostly conservative and do not bother to question the world they live in because the culture is entirely centered around making sure that any such thought might be too extremist or radical.

If that’s the truth, why are there so many podcasts and talk radio shows about “going against the grain”?
Questioning the culture is never discouraged, it’s overpromoted


>Complacency isn't bliss but it's comfortable, and unless something is forcing you to leave this comfortable place then there's no reason to risk your sanity and try to find answers in a world that clearly doesn't offer any.


Complacency is relative. Actual complacency is frowned down upon. The only complacency that’s accepted is the bitter radical who is planning one final hurrah before croaking.
Anyone who doesn’t give two fucks are condemned as sheeple.


>In fact a lot of internet culture now is that straying from the herd will turn you into an incel chud who stops touching grass.


It’s the opposite. Everyone thinks all bad things come from following the crowd. Yet, the same moralfagging they do is the herd mentality.
It’s popular to hate on TikTok and Reddit. Inceldom and femcel don is quite popular. The real breakers from the herd are people who don’t care about politics and choose to consume romantic media or porn or whatever. The people who watch TikTok or browse Reddit without any moralistic hangouts about “brain rot”.

>The ones who are curious and spend too much time "doing research" aka consuming rightoid memes on X now get funneled into the extremely powerful rightoid propaganda machine.


Not all propaganda is right wing. You forget about radlib bullshit.

>Faced with this schizo horror getting worse by the day complacency becomes safety, not bliss. Thanks to the death of intellectualism now every person faces a treacherous journey filled with ideological landmines.


Intellectualism died a long time ago and to begin with, was never about sincere inquiry. In fact if you researched the history of academia you’d find it was rife with sexism, racism, and homophobia.

>Most people see themselves as smarter than everyone else.


Hence why I said:
<This sentiment you stated is exactly the same words I hear every point of the political axis says. “Everyone is a sheeple except me”

>uygha how can you take a post that says material conditions shape the social consciousness and then interpret this as me saying some idealistic shit that people are ignorant because they want to be? Learn to read, this discussion is clearly above your level of education.


Your arrogance is showing really bad.
You specifically said that seeking truth brings about trauma and that most people are ignorant and uneducated about their system You also said most people are blind defenders of the status quo.

>>794008
>Faced with this schizo horror getting worse by the day complacency becomes safety, not bliss. Thanks to the death of intellectualism now every person faces a treacherous journey filled with ideological landmines.

People used to be burned at stake for differing academic techniques.
Either that or they were exiled
Nowadays, the worst you can face is being unfriended from FaceBook

>>793954
>take everything OP said and invert it
bam, instant discourse

>>794024
>You specifically said that seeking truth brings about trauma and that most people are ignorant and uneducated about their system You also said most people are blind defenders of the status quo.
Again, you can't read. I said that trauma along with other factors often brings about the conditions necessary for you to question the current state of things. Social exclusion and mental illness (caused by childhood trauma) among other factors that place one outside of the in-group are what forces people to question commonly accepted narratives, otherwise people have no reason to feel that they have to search outside the system to find the answers they seek. We are raised on capitalism prosperity gospel that assures us that we live in the freest, most advanced, and most liberal society ever to have existed, which means that only someone who has experienced firsthand the failures of the system and realized that it was never meant to serve the working class in the first place is going to look at it from the outside. You are not going to find any of this kind of discourse among podcasters or social media. You have to read Marx first and grasp him to be able to see it. This is the point you are not understanding. There are no truly mainstream public figures that question capitalism or speak of revolution or unifying the working class. Hasan Piker and breadtubers are all social democrats who push for reforms and more taxes, more ineffectual nonsense. You, like most people, look at the surface level culture, the shadow puppets on the wall, and take it at face value, not even questioning whether what you're seeing is real or not.

"How can you say that nobody questions the culture if the mainstream propaganda funded by the ruling class sets the framework of the entire question and then answers it for you in a way that suits them?" Do you see the ridiculousness of such a belief? It is like when government agencies investigate themselves and find themselves not guilty of any wrongdoing. This is the liberal perspective that I have already mentioned, responsible "questioning" within an already accepted framework where it is seen as "extreme" to go outside of liberal capitalism. This is complacency, when you pattern people to become afraid of anything that goes outside what propaganda deems "reasonable".
>It’s the opposite. Everyone thinks all bad things come from following the crowd. Yet, the same moralfagging they do is the herd mentality.
So in effect you're saying that they are tricked into a de facto herd mentality anyway? Almost as if you are proving your own point wrong and saying I'm correct in that people still feel the need to follow the herd. Even if it's some reverse-psychology, the end result is the same.
>It’s popular to hate on TikTok and Reddit. Inceldom and femcel don is quite popular. The real breakers from the herd are people who don’t care about politics and choose to consume romantic media or porn or whatever. The people who watch TikTok or browse Reddit without any moralistic hangouts about “brain rot”.
The real breakers from the herd are the ones who are able to look at the cultural arena and see it as a whole. None of these people that you're describing have been able to successfully see the way they are just cogs in a media machine, they still participate from it while thinking they are not of it.
>Not all propaganda is right wing. You forget about radlib bullshit.
So inconsequential as to be meaningless. The bottom of the political compass is mostly the butt of jokes, meanwhile there are masses of people in comments sections who glaze Hitler and make wink wink nudge nudge jokes about how they're all secretly Nazis while pretending not to be.
>Intellectualism died a long time ago and to begin with, was never about sincere inquiry.
Completely false. Academia is one thing, but serious intellectual inquiry goes back to Plato, Dharmic philosophy, and Daoism, among many other intellectual traditions.

I genuinely do believe that anyone who’s not a communist is brain damaged and should be considered handicapped. Liberalism is mental illness

people are retarded animals and i despise them regardless of who they are and where they come from unless they are useful to me. in the past i had a soft spot for people who come from similar circumstances as me because i felt a real sameness with them, like a real familial bond. but people are generally not wired to feel that way, so i don't bother anymore. i guess that's just sentimentalism, or some kind of old-fashioned irrational thinking about sticking together no matter what. its the convict code, never ratting out your buddies. few people is really like that IME, except for people you really struggle together with. amerikkkans are mostly fickle and think they can pick and choose until they run out of people to choose from and end up homeless and alone and dumbstruck by the consequences of their actions, and since they are uneducated and shunned reading and learning they cannot cope with the magnitude of their situation. so they are stuck playing catchup trying to rectify the past while the present and future slips thru their fingers. this is where myriads of scapegoats come in, because amerikkkans do not like to take responsibility and be humbled for their life choices. even i was guilty of this as a younger person. its mostly an amerikkkan thing i reckon. people like OP describes simply lives thoughtlessly in the moment until it bites them in the ass and they wind up with whatever they can get, whether thats a minimum wage job, selling ass or smoking meth on the stairs with a bunch of junkies and going in and out of jail. most people are not sentient, they were born for a purpose and have outlived it and are doing whatever brings them momentary pleasure and a distraction from the waste of their life. the bulk of life that is not shown and hidden away and criminalized is ugly and depraved and miserable, and someone comes to sweep it away before the precious ones can see.

>>793994
If I was Chairman of the People's Republic I would ban circumcision and make any doctor who performs it have their license revoked and the child's parents arrested. I don't care how much jews cry about this, they can go cry to the gulag for all I know. Child circumcision is a human rights violation and any reasonable person must agree.

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>>794059
>I genuinely do believe that anyone who’s not a communist is brain damaged and should be considered handicapped. Liberalism is mental illness

>>794063
>people are retarded animals and i despise them regardless of who they are and where they come from unless they are useful to me. in the past i had a soft spot for people who come from similar circumstances as me because i felt a real sameness with them, like a real familial bond. but people are generally not wired to feel that way, so i don't bother anymore. i guess that's just sentimentalism, or some kind of old-fashioned irrational thinking about sticking together no matter what. its the convict code, never ratting out your buddies. few people is really like that IME, except for people you really struggle together with.

This is why I disregard the whole “humanitarian universalism” that people preach about. The minute that someone with differing theological reliefs steps into the room, hell breaks loose.

>amerikkkans are mostly fickle and think they can pick and choose until they run out of people to choose from and end up homeless and alone and dumbstruck by the consequences of their actions, and since they are uneducated and shunned reading and learning they cannot cope with the magnitude of their situation.


This stereotype of Americans being anti-academic is a tired old meme especially when we spend more than millions on academic materials and whatnot.

If anything, people mistake academic prowess for self-disclipline in life. A lot of our straight A students are horrible at adulting.

>so they are stuck playing catchup trying to rectify the past while the present and future slips thru their fingers. this is where myriads of scapegoats come in, because amerikkkans do not like to take responsibility and be humbled for their life choices. even i was guilty of this as a younger person. its mostly an amerikkkan thing i reckon.


The real problem is that people are pressured to go big or go home. Nobody wants to go average. Average ness is considered a moral failure.


> people like OP describes simply lives thoughtlessly in the moment until it bites them in the ass and they wind up with whatever they can get, whether thats a minimum wage job, selling ass or smoking meth on the stairs with a bunch of junkies and going in and out of jail. most people are not sentient, they were born for a purpose and have outlived it and are doing whatever brings them momentary pleasure and a distraction from the waste of their life. the bulk of life that is not shown and hidden away and criminalized is ugly and depraved and miserable, and someone comes to sweep it away before the precious ones can see.


There is no grand purpose. Humans are just another species of animals that overestimated their own value.

>>794081
It’s just main character syndrome. Not unlike the right

>>794063
>its the convict code, never ratting out your buddies. few people is really like that IME, except for people you really struggle together with.

Convicts are often the first to backstab their mates. No honor amongst thieves.

>>794031
>So inconsequential as to be meaningless. The bottom of the political compass is mostly the butt of jokes, meanwhile there are masses of people in comments sections who glaze Hitler and make wink wink nudge nudge jokes about how they're all secretly Nazis while pretending not to be.

Radlib philosophy is just as big a problem as the right. Neonazism is just a farce at this point. Always was.
To deny the danger of radlib is to be willfully ignorant.

>The real breakers from the herd are the ones who are able to look at the cultural arena and see it as a whole. None of these people that you're describing have been able to successfully see the way they are just cogs in a media machine, they still participate from it while thinking they are not of it.


Then you will admit that these people you describe as being truly above the spectacle would also be hesitant of leftism.

>You are not going to find any of this kind of discourse among podcasters or social media. You have to read Marx first and grasp him to be able to see it. This is the point you are not understanding. There are no truly mainstream public figures that question capitalism or speak of revolution or unifying the working class


You sound no different from self righteous Christians harassing people with “REPENT NOW THE TIME IS NIGH!”
Marxists sit on their asses debating shit and look down on others for not knowing or understanding or agreeing with them.

That's called allism


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