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Russo-Ukrainian war discussion BANNED
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>>801036
The USSR tried numerous times to agree an anti Nazi pact with the western powers, the west didn't care, so yeah eventually they made an agreement with the Nazis to buy time

>>800995
>i think he's dropping a little hello to leftypol
I choose to believe this

You think you'd know how to deal with an anaconda Cock until you have to deal with one face-to-face.

>>801044
…and then ordered Communist parties and their followers to oppose the Allied war effort and not resist the Nazis because… he just had to, okay? It was important or something. Material conditions forced him to heil Hitler.
>>801056
Foids when they see my #BIGBOLSHEVIKCOCK

>>801058
>Foids when they see my #BIGBLACKCOCK
ftfy

>>801036
>>801058
every power in europe (including the ussr) saw germany as a rabid dog with a shitload of guns that they could use to fuck over the other regional powerhouses they didn't like.

>>801060
this is also why italy sided with germany despite originally being one of the first countries to threaten nazi germany with war when they started expanding

>>800994
Being a fascist power does not mean being an axis power. Franco's Spain was not Axis, nor was Salazar's Portugal.

>>801083
Only because they didn't want to get their shit kicked in by the allies by becoming a beachead, and also obviously nazi germany would've given them fuck all for participating anyway

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>>800878
>What's his beef with Althusser?

>>801024
do you know what "1 business plot away" implies?

>>801024
>U.S. populace might have been apathetic or anti-war, but the FDR administration was openly anti-Axis from the beginning, and it desired to join the war and hoped that the Empire of Japan would provide a casus belli before the Pearl Harbor attack
well a successful business plot implies a successful coup against FDR, implies an axis america

>>801146
Is that kevin spacey?

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>>801147
>>801148
My bad huh, I didn't know what Business Plot meant in US context.

>>801059
Why is this guy constantly posting weird faggy BNWO shit? He's doing it in other threads too. Can somebody kill him, please?
>>801060
True, but it's undeniable that the Western Allies tried to take it down before the USSR did.
>>801197
>Tats thinks China was Communist
Bro

>>800275
why the fuck is louis althusser there too lmao

>>800387
on it

>>801231
I think he might have stumbled upon Althusser, found out about anti-humanism, and assumed it was code-word for "anti-human".

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>>800275
>>800387
>>801231
tried to keep it simple to be a more useful template

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>>801242
this is gemmy but idk what do to with it yet

>>801242
So much potential

>>801228
>True, but it's undeniable that the Western Allies tried to take it down before the USSR did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Pact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_alliance_negotiations

No, the USSR was always the first in pushing for an anti-German alliance, mostly due to open anti-Bolshevik sentiment in Germany and USSR's own acknowledgement of their relatively backward industry and military.
It is because of France and UK's appeasement policies and constant backing-downs that they were indirectly forced to sign the Non-Agression and Friendship Treaty with the Germans to ensure their border security (by annexing a buffer in Poland and signing a NAP), which they've been afraid of German invasion via Poland either allying or throughout them.

Molotov Ribbentrop pact, until the surprise German invasion, could be considered a diplomatic success in terms of realpolitik for the Soviet Union, it allowed the Union to annex (&spread the revolution) to the Baltics & Eastern Poland without any major foreign interference, and had a chance for Finland. The Union also had a limited access to German blueprints and imported some German industrial machinery for raw resources.

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Posting kino comic to counteract the massive amount of coal in this thread

>>801260
>No, the USSR was always the first in pushing for an anti-German alliance
What I mean is that the Western Allies were the first to actually go to war with them. Obviously there's no denying that the Western Allies were far more ideologically aligned with the Nazis than the USSR was, so the USSR was the first to try and actually address the Nazi menace, but my problem is what they did after that approach failed. When the stakes were at their absolute highest and the war was ongoing, the USSR threw their support behind the Nazis for opportunistic reasons. You failed to address this, but to reiterate: Stalin ordered Communist parties around the world to resist the Allied war effort. This is absolutely not the behavior of a country that understood it was going to be fighting alongside the allies in 1941, this is the behavior of a country that wanted the Nazis to win so that they could resist an inevitable German invasion (In like, the late 40's) and then easily take them down, managing to take all of Europe. Would this end result be a positive? Yes, but it would come at the cost of such unimaginable oppression and human suffering that there is literally no way to justify it. When the Nazis invaded the USSR, Socialists around the world flipped their positions on a dime. They had spent the past year and a half calling Liberals warmongers and sabotaging the war machine. Americans Socialists were doing entryism into the AMERICA FIRST COMMITTEE. Yes, really. French Communists didn't resist Nazi occupation, and Conservatives like De Gaulle managed to become the leaders of the resistance as a result. Woody Guthrie was writing songs about FDR sending our kids to war for bankers. Socialists around the world put such importance on the position of the USSR, and Stalin BETRAYED THEM. Worse than that, Stalin betrayed himself. If they really were just signing a Non-Agression Pact so they could help the Allies later like you claim then that would be one thing, but the USSR was obviously betting against the Allies.

The Left has been consistently right about almost everything. This was our great shame, though. August 1939 to June 1941: Outflanked by fucking Liberals. Absolutely dreadful.

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>>801277
Can't say you are wrong in this one.

>This is absolutely not the behavior of a country that understood it was going to be fighting alongside the allies in 1941


Yes, because at that time, the USSR was seriously considering joining the Axis if their terms (of establishing seperate sphere of influences with Germany,Italy and Japan) were met. (German foreign relations office desired for the alliance with the USSR, but Hitler & the german high bureucracy didn't.) At that time, the official Soviet stance seemed to be that the Allied powers were no more desirable than the Axis powers & the conflict was merely about "different conflicting imperialist interests." Plus France & Britain were seriously considering directly intervening the Winter War in aide to the Finnish side which further pushed the Soviets to reconcile with the Axis. German invasion of Norway would actually terminate a considerable portion of Allied plans to help Finland.

The full-scale axis invasion also seems to be unexpected, or at least ill-prepared against. The mobilized manpower of Axis at the start of Op. Barbarossa was 1.5x of what the Red Army mobilized.

>but the USSR was obviously betting against the Allies.

The Allies were also betting against the USSR way before the German invasion or even WWII.
But I guess it does not matter as at the end, the interests of the Soviets & Western Allies were rather similar after Op. Barbarossa. Soviets (sadly) also had given many compromises to the Allies, such as disbanding the Comintern, invading Manchuria after Western-Allied requests & establishing rather autonomous regimes in the East EU instead of integrating them within the union.

>>801184
no its Althusser who famously choked his wife to death

I want WW2 historian mark felton to do a tatsuya ishida reaction video

>>801383
Yeah that's it, let's get you nice and opened up for the inevitable 😁

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>>801277
>What I mean is that the Western Allies were the first to actually go to war with them.
Only because of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact, which was the entire purpose of said pact, to buy time for the USSR and redirect Germany's warmachine elsewhere. The USSR was surprised at how pathetically both Poland AND France held up against the German forces, both countries had armies larger than the German ones and were on equal technological level.
Furthermore until 1940 the Western allies engaged in the Phony War, wherein neither side committed into actual battle against one another. It's like how current governments today will make declarations that don't actually have any action taken.
>When the stakes were at their absolute highest and the war was ongoing, the USSR threw their support behind the Nazis for opportunistic reasons.
Absolute rubbish. See https://leftypedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
I may not have finished writing this but it still addresses the main point. Furthermore read Grover Furr: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html
On top of that, Furr doesn't mention another aspect that prior to September 17th the Soviets sent a diplomatic note to the Polish Embassy requesting access for the Red Army to enter Poland. They were not refused and Polish military officers gave the command for their troops to NOT engage The Red Army as it entered the country, nor did the Polish Government (in exile but which claimed to be functional as of the 17th of September) declare war on the USSR, nor did Poland's treaty allies such as Romania, which were obligated to declare war on the USSR in the case of invasion.
>Stalin ordered Communist parties around the world to resist the Allied war effort.
When the hell did he order this?
>French Communists didn't resist Nazi occupation
The French didn't resist in general until after the occupation began and then the French Resistance came into existance, with many members being Communists. What are you smoking?
>Conservatives like De Gaulle managed to become the leaders
De Gaulle became leader because he was a competent military officer whose warnings to French upper military staff went ignored and who managed to evacuate with a contingent of French troops. He was also a staunch opposition to American hegemony in Europe and was very pro-Stalin and pro-Soviet.
>the USSR was obviously betting against the Allies.
That is true, because The Allies created the Nazi warmachine to begin with, so it would be to the USSR's benefit to see Capitalist regimes fuck themselves.
>great shame
LMAO no. It was a triumph; causing liberals to backfire onto themselves and eliminate both The fascist Polish government and the relics of the old French Republic, and in the meantime regain territory, gain time to prepare for war and get Germany to give them key supplies for pennies.
>Woodie Guthrie
FFS, the American left and Americans in general were isolationist and against joining the war because of WW1, as it was seen (correctly so) as a bunch of rich leaders sending proles to die over territorial and economic disputes that didn't even directly concern the USA. WW-2 for the USA was a similar thing. The CPUSA recognized that the population didn't want a war, because war fucking sucks.
>sabotaging the war-machine
European inter-war militaries did that just fine, The Communists didn't do shit to cause that. If you think the fundemental issues of French and British military doctrine and equipment, or the lack of commitment by these Capitalist governments which REPRESSED their communist parties are somehow the blame of Communists you really don't understand the political situation of the time.

>>801058
> then ordered Communist parties and their followers to oppose the Allied war effort and not resist the Nazis
Citation Needed.

>>801036
>before June of 1941 the USSR helped the Axis
No. Before June of 1941, the USSR held neutrality with the Axis. They buckbroke the Japanese so bad in Mongolia that Japan sued for a neutrality agreement that it did not violate even in 1941 at the height of German advance, and instead sought to fight the USA to push it out of the West Pacific.
>Stalin ordered French Communists not to resist Nazi occupation.
Citation fucking needed
>hearing that Roosevelt was seriously considering sinking the Bismark if it had entered the West Atlantic
Where did you hear this? I have never heard this ever claimed anywhere. The closest the USA came to being involved in that was selling Britain CBY Catalinas used in maritime operations. The American Atlantic Fleet was nowhere near the power of its Pacific Fleet.

Furthermore the USA was directly involved in Nazi Germany's economy right up to 1941 and into 1942, and this only changed because Japan attacked the USA and was allied to Germany.

>>801024
The USA was playing both sides. FDR was anti-axis but the corporations of the USA which owned most of the government through lobbying were pro-Nazi and continued to supply them into 1942 and some even longer than that.

The company Standard Oil supplied millions of barrels of oil to the Nazis. In the Canary Islands in general, a filling station was set up for German submarines which provided them an ample base for the Battle of the Atlantic allowing them to easily extend their range South. In addition, this corporation owned a patent for tetraethyl, which was part of the fuel for aircraft. - https://newrepublic.com/article/104346/standard-oil-axis-ally

The International Telephone and Telegraph (ITT) established a supply of components and even entire ready-to-use units for the V-missiles which bombarded Britain. According to the contract, ITT conscientiously supplied Germany with special communication equipment, high-frequency equipment, selenium rectifiers, fuses to artillery shells (30,000 each month), radar equipment, telephone sets, switches and many, many others. The International Telephone and Telegraph Corporation maintained close ties with leaders of Nazi Germany from 1933 until the end of the war in 1945, according to Anthony Sampson, the author of a forthcoming book, “The Sovereign State of ITT,” to be published by Stein and Day. His charge is based on a study of U.S. government records in the National Archives that have been ignored until recently. - https://www.jta.org/1973/04/24/archive/disclose-itt-had-nazi-ties

IBM was yet another friend of the Nazis. IBM, supplied computing machines, spare parts for them and special paper for concentration camps. Apparently, as the contingent of death camps replenished, the Americans increased the supply of IBM, which helped the fascists quickly calculate the population of those yet to be exterminated. While individual members of departments making those instruments may not have been aware of their purpose (though it is doubtful anyone would admit to such an atrocity now), The higher ups of IBM most certainly were aware, considering how close they were to Hitler. - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ibm-and-nazi-germany/

>"The Rockefeller enterprise eventually agreed to pay a minor fine “for having betrayed America” but was allowed to continue its profitable commerce with the enemies of the United States. A tentative investigation into IBM’s arguably treasonous activities in the land of the Nazi enemy was similarly aborted because the US needed IBM technology as much as the Nazis did. Edwin Black writes: “IBM was in some ways bigger than the war.” Both sides could not afford to proceed without the company’s all-important technology. “Hitler needed IBM. So did the Allies.” (Black, 333, and 348) Uncle Sam briefly wagged a finger at Standard Oil and IBM, but most owners and managers of corporations who did business with Hitler were never bothered at all. The connections of ITT’s Sosthenes Behn with Nazi Germany, for example, were a public secret in Washington, but he never experienced any difficulties as a result of them. Meanwhile, it would appear that the headquarters of the Western Allies were keen to go as easy as possible on the American-owned enterprises in Germany. According to German expert Hans G. Helms, Bernard Baruch, a high-level advisor to President Roosevelt, had given the order not to bomb certain factories in Germany, or to bomb them only lightly; it is hardly surprising that the branch plants of American corporations fell into this category. And indeed, while Cologne’s historical city centre was flattened in repeated bombing raids, the large Ford factory on the outskirts of the city enjoyed the reputation of being the safest place in town during air attacks, although some bombs did of course occasionally fall on its properties." (The Myth of the Good War: America in the Second World War, revised edition By Jacques R. Pauwels, Billstein et al, 98-100)


In 1940, Ford factories began mass production of trucks and other vehicles for the Nazis such as the Maultier. The Ford plants in Europe also worked, supplying the fascists with cars of various purposes, tires, aircraft engines, auto parts and much more. A Ford plant in 'neutral' Switzerland also repaired German trucks. - http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/Germany/Ford/Ford_V_3000_S-SSM/ford_v_3000_s-ssm.html

The relationship of Ford and GM to the Nazi regime goes back to the 1920s and 1930s, when the American car companies competed against each other for access to the lucrative German market. Hitler was an admirer of American mass production techniques and an avid reader of the antisemitic tracts penned by Henry Ford. "I regard Henry Ford as my inspiration," Hitler told a Detroit News reporter two years before becoming the German chancellor in 1933, explaining why he kept a life-size portrait of the American automaker next to his desk. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm?noredirect=on

Primary examples of investments in the German economy.
"Ford" - $ 17.5 million.
Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon Mobil Corporation) - $ 120 million.
General Motors - $ 35 million.
"ITT" - $ 30 million.

Hitler's ideas caught on with the rich elite of the world especially well. Something remarked upon by William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany in 1937, who said, “… I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi Regime.”

William Randolph Hearst for example. In the mid 1930s he was one of the richest men in the world due to his yellow-news outlets; 25 daily newspapers, 24 weekly newspapers, 12 radio stations, 2 world news services, one business providing news items for films, the Cosmopolitan film company, and a lot of others. In 1948 he bought one of the US’s first TV stations, BWAL – TV in Baltimore. In 1934 he visited Nazi Germany where he was personally received by Hitler as a guest and friend. His anti-communist ranting only ramped up afterwards, publishing repeated articles about the 1932-34 famine in the USSR, focusing on Ukraine and using scurrilous fraud photographs of a one Thomas Walker as supposed 'evidence'. Despite being called out on this multiple times, he continued to print the articles.

Another example is Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush was a firm believer in eugenics, (the study of genetic improvement through selecting parents, or racial superiority) which was very common among the influential families at the start of the twentieth century. Of course we are all more than familiar with the eugenics 'studies' done by the Nazis (such as those conducted in Auschwitz by the escaped Angel of Death Dr. Mengele). The grandfather of George Bush Jr. was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp., a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family. Brown Brothers Harriman's affiliate Union Bank - of which Prescott was the director - had invested huge sums of money into Thyssen Steel, the backbone of Nazi steel production. August Thyssen was an affluent German industrialist who lost much of his corporate empire to the harsh Treaty of Versailles after WWI. Vowing this would never happen again, he founded three banks in three countries: The August Thyssen Bank in Berlin, Bank voor Handel en Scheepuaart in Rotterdam, Holland, and Union Banking Corp. in New York City. Using money channeled through these three banks, Thyssen financed the rise of the Nazi party and their front-man Adolf Hitler, ruling Nazi steel production along side Krupp, profited from the mining of coal by Jewish slaves, and financed concentration camps including Auschwitz. In 1937, while director of Union Bank, Prescott hired Allen Dulles to 'cloak' his accounts; Allen obviously didn't do that great of a job because in 1942 the U.S. Alien Property Custodian froze Union Bank's accounts and fined Prescott 1 million dollars. 'Coincidentally,' Allen Dulles was appointed U.S. Intelligence Chief in post-war Germany while he was also the lawyer representing Thyssen's bank in Holland. This ensuing cover-up may have saved Prescott from further penalty stemming from proper investigation. In 1951, Prescott reclaimed Union Bank from the U.S. Alien Property Custodian, and went on to represent Connecticut in the Senate. his sons and grandsons would continue his legacy of war-profiteering and proliferation throughout the Cold War and into the 21st century, with the actions of George Bush Junior still running their course (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/secret-history-the-u-s-supported-and-inspired-the-nazis/5439236

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/04/hitlers-willing-business-partners/303146/

http://nationalpost.com/g00/news/how-six-months-before-the-second-world-war-britain-gave-hitler-9-million-in-gold-that-belonged-to-another-country/wcm/3c1b3aa0-3bfe-4e57-83e9-8eefeec7cc52?i10c.referrer

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

https://fort-russ.com/2016/05/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/profits-ber-alles-american-corporations-and-hitler/4607

This didn't stop with Corporations either. The people and governments of many European countries supported the German war-effort, including volunteering to fight. The German author of the book “Results of the Second World War” (1953), K. Pfeffer wrote,
"Most volunteers from Western Europe went to the Eastern Front only because they saw this as a common task of the West … Volunteers from Western Europe, as a rule, were attached to SS units and units …"

The English historian A. Taylor wrote about the two “neutral” countries least of all dependent on Nazism, Switzerland and Sweden, that they “could bring Germany more benefits than if they were in the position of vanquished. Germany received iron ore from Sweden, precision instruments from Switzerland. Without this, she could not continue the war.” Almost every third fascist projectile was made of steel smelted from Swedish ore, and almost all the necessary tungsten came from Portugal.

Professor Richard Kaczmarek, director of the Institute of History of the Silesian University, author of the book “Poles in the Wehrmacht” claims that roughly half a million Poles served the German army during the war. In 1942 alone, the Poles made up 40-45% of the personnel of the 96th infantry division of the Wehrmacht, about 30% of the 57th division, about 30% of the 11th division (together with the Czechs), about 12% of the 110th division. The French also had their contribution with 220,000 volunteers serving in the 33rd SS division Charlemagne alone.

The British Royal Family was all but public in their support of the Nazi regime. Even if one dismisses the nazi salute photographs one cannot deny their role in supporting Germany. Anti-semitic sympathies, letters of correspondence, and generally being supportive:
This of course is ignoring things like Western military sympathies to the Nazis. The best example of this is of course General Patton. He sympathized with the Nazis and believed the USSR was a Jew-Bolshevik conspiracy along with other anti-Semitic ideals. He was killed in a car crash, however his ideas did not decline.

The New Yorker, Blood, Guts and McChrystal By Amy Davidson Sorkin, June 25, 2010 http://archive.fo/Fjm4g

“…Thinking like that often got Patton into trouble. Much of it has been recounted before, in the movie Patton and elsewhere. In one well-known incident, Patton was visiting a field hospital when he came across a soldier who didn't appear to be wounded. When Patton asked what was wrong with him, the soldier responded, "It's my nerves." Patton blew up: "You cowardly bastard! You're going right back to the front. Although that's too good for you. You ought to be lined up against a wall and shot. Although that's too good for you, too. I ought to shoot you myself, goddamn you!" Patton then pulled out his (ivory-handled) gun, repeatedly slapped the soldier, and ordered doctors to get the GI out of the hospital. Hirshson adds that as Patton left, he shouted, "There's no such thing as shell shock! It's an invention of the Jews!" The slapping eventually made it into the press and caused such an outrage that Eisenhower temporarily stripped Patton of his command." - Life of General Patton
http://www1.cuny.edu/portal_ur/news/cuny_matters/2002_october/gralpatton.html

This prejudicial and ethno-racial hatred extended to the Russians, whom he unilaterally despised,
"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them, except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian have no regard for human life and is an all out son of bitch, barbarian, and chronic drunk." - Statement (8 August 1945), as quoted in General Patton: A Soldier's Life (2002) by Stanley P. Hirshson, p. 650

The sheer prejudice and hatred in his words is remarkably similar to that of the Germans, indeed to quote Der Untermensch (translation)
"… the subhuman the greatest enemy of the dominant species on earth, mankind. The subhuman is a biological creature, crafted by nature, which has hands, legs, eyes and mouth, even the semblance of a brain. Nevertheless, this terrible creature is only a partial human being. Although it has features similar to a human, the subhuman is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal. Inside of this creature lies wild and unrestrained passions: an incessant need to destroy, filled with the most primitive desires, chaos and coldhearted villainy."
Der Untermensch: https://ia800500.us.archive.org/15/items/SS-Hauptamt-Der-Untermensch/Ss-hauptamt-DerUntermensch194252S.Scan_text.pdf
Translation source: http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/deruntermensch.html

Indeed the term "Untermensch" (undermen) was created by an American, Lothrop Stoddard. His book, The Passing of the Great Race, was even praised by president Warren G. Harding.

>>801435
>When the hell did he order this?
NTA, but there are only few documents I can find about it.
A Comintern directive before the fall of France
https://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv6n2/dimitrov.htm
A text against war/resistance effort distributed by the PCF, albeit it's in French wiki only
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appel_du_10_juillet_1940

>>801438
Yeah, you are right on the ties of some US corpos with the nazis, but I am unsure if it is more than a business tie to profit for many of them. I am also unsure if they also had investments in Allied nations, but yup, your claim is valid.

>Primary examples of investments in the German economy.

>"Ford" - $ 17.5 million.
>Standard Oil of New Jersey (now Exxon Mobil Corporation) - $ 120 million.
>General Motors - $ 35 million.
>"ITT" - $ 30 million.

Britain would import 4.5B$ worth of materials from the US under Cash and Carry in first years of the war as i know. Certainly, regardless of ties of individual corporations, US in general was supportive of Allied war effort.

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>>801491
this has potential. just put in Stalin and pictures of the Hoholdomor

>>801502
What pictures of holodomor? There's no pictures of an event that didn't happen, all the famous "holodomor pictures" are from a different event entirely

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Hey guys, isn’t it odd how the Japanese-American author of Sinfest will shit on Stalin, Lenin, FDR and the Rothschilds, but never even touched on Winston Churchill barring that strip about him signing a deal with the devil in some months-old strip?

It’s almost like he either likes the British empire or is an Anglophile, much like the average Japanese is.

I guess that’s how you know he is Japanese after all: When even in his Hitlerite fantasy he can’t bother to shit on Churchill let alone the UK, despite it being one of the main combatants prior to America’s entry (as well as being one of the top recipients of lend-lease).

>>801520
Idk he did shit on Churchill, he portrayed him as an evil drunk (true) but he clearly cares more about the 'big battles' of the Eastern front and Pacific theatre. I'm sure Churchill will come back if we ever got to D-day.

>>801491
It's so funny for a neonazi holocaust denier to pearlclutch about supposed genocide denial lmao. It's the same with his comic with the nazi soldiers exploring some supposed commie rapecamp lol. A camp?? Where they kill and rape people?? Who would do such a things says the Wehrmacht soldier as he kills and rapes his way across eastern europe

>>801523
That’s assuming he’ll even touch on the siege of Stalingrad or the end of WW2 at all, something that he is reticent on given how much loves to fill his arcs with filler.

Also, LOL at the fact that he couldn’t even bother to create an arc for Italy or portray portions of the North African campaign.

>>801535
Yh, I’ll always remember how the same /pol/tards that used to engage in holocaust denial Pearlclutch over deaths by communism, even doe the only difference between them and zioboomers was on whether Slavs or Jews were the biggest victims of communism.

Because remember that Zionism used to be a huge part of American “dissident right” politics and RW conspiratard circles up until 2015.

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>>801346
>the USSR was seriously considering joining the Axis if their terms
Honestly I didn't mention this because I'm not completely sold on whether or not it's true. It feels so maniacally evil that it's like it was cooked up by an insane Polish anti-Communist. Not saying it's false, just that I felt like it wasn't worth going on record stating it as fact because then somebody might respond with slam-dunk proof that it's a lie and my whole argument would seem like a lie.
>[The USSR believed that] the conflict was merely about "different conflicting imperialist interests."
The funny thing is that this was actually correct, WWII was a conflict between Allied bourgeoisie and Axis Bourgeoisie. What the USSR failed to understand, however, is that this does not automatically make both sides of a war equivalent. Axis bourgeoisie were much more reactionary than the Allied bourgeoisie, and were therefore worth fighting.
>The Allies were also betting against the USSR way before the German invasion or even WWII.
This is true, of course, and to be clear I'm not arguing that the Western allies were better in totality than the USSR was. More simply, from August 1939 to June 1941, the Western Allies were doing more for humanity than the USSR was and the foreign policy positions of Liberals were more correct than Socialists. This is, again, not the result of Socialist ideology being uniquely fascist, but rather the USSR's opportunism (Itself a result of circumstance rather than ideology) and its influence over an international Left that put their trust in them (Trust which they betrayed).

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>>801481
>A text against war/resistance effort distributed by the PCF
Actually it was the opposite. The French Daladier Government actively repressed the French Communist Party and THEY were the ones claiming the Communists were undermining the War effort. what actually happened was that this repression pushed the French Communists to not resist the initial German forces and make agreements about publishing their newspapers, but this went nowhere. The lack of initial resistance came from broken communications between the 3 primary factions, however the July 10th Declaration of 1940 specifically called for the French to resist, as a communist alternative to De Gaulle's June 18th call to resistance.
For the EKKI document I decided to look it up in the original text:
https://docs.historyrussia.org/ru/nodes/99279-direktiva-sekretariata-ikki-kompartiyam-ob-otnoshenii-k-nachavsheysya-voyne-ot-8-sentyabrya-1939-g
The actual text is a lot more detailed and the context of it matters. The initial sentiment was written before Germany invaded Poland and was fully published on the 8th, before the Polish Government fell. The main message was that Communist Parties and proletariat should vote or use other methods to oppose the bourgeoisie war. This was written with the assumption that Poland wouldn't immediately fall if supported by France and that France's war with Germany would be similar to how it went 2 decades prior; a stalemate. The USSR also didn't expect for France to simply not attack Germany, as Polish-French forces outnumbered Germany's collectively.
>Britain would import 4.5B$ worth of materials from the US under Cash and Carry in first years of the war
That's true however this was because of FDR's direct changes to the Neutrality Acts of 1937 and so on that allowed for this. It was not a popular policy and it only gained traction because it stimulated American manufacturing and therefore gave them profits. It was pragmatism, the same reason Welfare programs were introduced in the 1930s.
>unsure if they also had investments in Allied nations
They had some because greed knows no borders, hence by the USSR could buy an entire Ford Factory and plant it in the Urals, despite Henry Ford supporting Nazi German ideology.
>egardless of ties of individual corporations, US in general was supportive of Allied war effort
The US Population was sympathetic to the Allies but was reluctant to join the war, too many vets from the previous one were still around. Pearl Harbor is when the American population definitively shifted to a war stance. The American "Elite" continued to nurse sympathies to the Nazis into 1942 until FDR clamped down on it, and even then some secret assistance slithered out into 1943.

It's another case of Proletariat vs Bourgeoisie.

>>801435
>>801438
>Only because of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact, which was the entire purpose of said pact, to buy time for the USSR and redirect Germany's warmachine elsewhere.
But don't you DARE resist Nazi occupation!
>Furthermore read Grover Furr
GEG
>When the hell did he order this?
See >>801481
>LMAO no. It was a triumph; causing liberals to backfire onto themselves and eliminate both The fascist Polish government and the relics of the old French Republic
>FFS, the American left and Americans in general were isolationist and against joining the war because of WW1, as it was seen (correctly so) as a bunch of rich leaders sending proles to die over territorial and economic disputes
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>If you think the fundemental issues of French and British military doctrine and equipment, or the lack of commitment by these Capitalist governments which REPRESSED their communist parties are somehow the blame of Communists you really don't understand the political situation of the time.
When the fuck did I claim that Communists cause France and Poland to lose? They could have nuked Paris and Warsaw and they still wouldn't have done as much damage as the retards in charge of the French and Polish militaries.
>Before June of 1941, the USSR held neutrality with the Axis.
Giving oil to Nazi Germany is generally considered to be "Helping"
>Where did you hear this?
I couldn't tell you the exact origin, which is why I made it clear that it was just something I heard rather than being stated as fact. My statement was less for the purpose of reinforcing my argument and more to see if anybody could confirm or deny if such a thing was accurate. Nonetheless, this is what I found:
<From Roosevelt and Churchill: 1939-1941 by Joseph P. Lash: Roosevelt considered the commitment of the Bismarck to the Battle of the Atlantic as another warning to him. "I was in the White House during the whole career of the Bismarck," Robert Sherwood wrote an English friend, "and it was inexpressibly thrilling to hear the repeated bulletins that came from the Admiralty to Roosevelt. The belief is that Hitler sent the Bismarck primarily to scare the US with a tremendous display of Nazi might right on our doorstep…" If a strong line were taken, Ribbentrop had lectured ᴉuᴉlossnW in Mid-May, "and if it were explained that American convoy protection meant war, the Americans would probably hesitate, for the American rearmament was the greatest bluff in history." But in their innermost councils, the Germans were less sure of Roosevelt's reactions, and Raeder, after his interview, was reminded that Hitler's orders against attacks on American shipping still held. "The Fuehrer wants to avoid everything that could lead to incidents with the United States.
This video: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxvASyuxgZ8&t=1s) shows that FDR made a speech quite blatantly stating that if Axis ships "enter waters necessary for American defence, they do so at their own peril." just before the British sunk the Bismarck.

>>801438
>Hitler was backed by the Rockefellers
Ohnonono rightyxisters, are we really like that? Keeeek

>>801507
so is this just a tatsuya dickriding thread now

>>801617
nah its just tatsuya shilling himself

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>>801562
>don't you DARE resist Nazi occupation!
Not what the document says. It says do not support the Imperialist government's war. It says nothing about not resisting occupation. Those are entirely different things you disingenuous twit.
>See
See >>801558
wherein I actually read the documents and the PCF literally called FOR resistance in 1940 and in 1939 the USSR was calling the Communist Parties to reject imperialist war. Neither of those say for Communists to not resist Nazis, and French Communists absolutely took part in The French Resistance as did Polish Communists in Poland and so on. You're literally making shit up based on deliberate misinterpretation of a document published in the first days of the war, written BEFORE the war began.
>When the fuck did I claim that Communists cause France and Poland to lose?
When did I? I addressed your whining about how these nations' Communist Parties refusing to support the oppressive Western governments war effort was somehow "sabotaging" their "war-machine" with your implication of this being during the war outright rather than during the opening stages when Poland was still an active government
>GEG
Not an argument. Cope and Seethe.
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<U-ur nazbol if you think communist parties in an overseas country should support sending proletarians to die for an inter-imperialist war
<literally the "everyone I don't like is 'le nazis' " fallacy
Wow, you sure showed me honey.
>Giving oil to Nazi Germany is generally considered to be "Helping"
The USSR did not give oil, they SOLD oil. A very small amount of it at extremely high prices. Meanwhile Standard Oil, Texaco Oil and so on were giving the Nazi Germans discounts into 1942, a year after the USA was officially involved in the war, and sold much more. The USSR wasn't at war with the Nazis when it sold oil, and only traded with them because they were literally the only country active in Europe that could be traded with. France and Britain was in a panic and didn't have shit to trade on their own. Their colonies were on the other side of the planet and under Japanese assault, the rest were either under Nazi control or Nazi allies/sympathizers with very little to offer.
The Economics "help" the Germans got from the USSR is a drop in a bucket compared to the resources of Poland and Czechoslovakia, the latter of which was literally given to them by Britain and France, which violated the Soviet-French Mutual Aid agreement of 1935, and Poland itself refused to sign treaties that would allow the USSR to come to its aid if Nazi Germany attacked. So yeah, between being principled idealists and getting fucked over, and doing some minor trade to their own advantage the USSR chose the route that actually did something. The Sovet neutrality with Nazi Germany is what let thousands of Poles, Jews, Belarusians and Ukrainians be able to escape from the Gestapo and Concentration Camps through NKVD efforts to convince their German counterparts to let these undesirables be 'deported' to the Soviet territories.
In the meantime the USA before the war even began wouldn't permit Jewish refugees in; On May 15, 1939, the Nazis allowed more than 900 Jews to leave on The St. Louis, an Ocean Liner bound for Cuba. Cuban Immigration refused to allow them and their police boats escorted the liner out, making sure people couldn't jump ship and swim to Cuba. For three days the liner cruised slowly off the U.S. coast, waiting in vain for America to accept its human cargo. In mid-June, after 35 days of aimless sailing, the St. Louis was forced to return to Europe, where the governments of England, France, Holland, and Belgium finally agreed to divide the passengers between them.
Context fucking matters; the USSR took desperate measures to gain an advantage against Imperialists and delay war while building their resources. The West delayed actually fighting the Nazis until the last minute, and even after declaring war, stood idly by for months hoping things would resolve themselves and they could go back to the Germans being their anti-Soviet attack dog. Even Churchill, who loathed the USSR and Communists and who condemned the Winter War, could not find fault in the Soviets signing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and doing what they did.
>this is what I found
Neither of those things was FDR "seriously considering sinking the Bismark if it entered the West Atlantic".
"Waters necessary for American defense" is generally considered American waters, which are IN the West Atlantic, so unless the Bismark came within 200 nautical miles of the American coast (the Exclusive Economic Zone) without first hailing and requesting permission to enter in then neutral waters, this is meaningless, since that's essentially a universal maritime policy of most nations anyway. FDR's words were still merely defensive in nature; "Don't attack us or we'll retaliate" and since there were no convoy sinkings in American waters, that didn't happen, hence why the USA only declared war after Pearl Harbor.

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>>801538
>create an arc for Italy or portray portions of the North African campaign.
Funniest thing is that Italy would be the easiest to defend because they didn't do a lot. North Africa was mostly them skirmishing with British troops over colonial territories, while the local populace looked on.
It would be extremely easy to white-wash the Italians, ergo Italiani Brava Gente.


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