/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>800503
I would do it just to mess with them.

>muh honorable centuries old tradition!!!!!!!
im so glad communism is gonna finish capitalism's job and destroy all current culture to lead the way to a brand new world

>>800507
The current culture war right now is proof enough that all culture should be eradicated

>>800503
this isn't woke liberalism, this is just a petty personality dispute. she's wrong when she says she doesn't have expectations of him (she obviously expects him to conform to a perceived social norm) and he's wrong not to give a tokenistic concession to his wife. it doesn't matter why she's making a trivial request, if you say "yes" you're playing the game correctly and if you say "no" you're not. the whole thing is a little status back-and-forth.

the chopsticks thing isn't really superstition. the "oh it's because of this" is more or less a just-so story. the actual reason you do this sort of thing in japan is because you do this sort of thing in japan, japan is a very rules-oriented country. a nation of atheists who nevertheless clap their hands going past the temple because everyone else claps their hands going past the temple.
a sort of western comparison would be saying "bless you" or "Gesundheit" after someone sneezes. it's not really really religious, it's just a form of politeness.

the point i really must emphasise and the jumping off point is: human interaction is almost entirely a little status game. c.f. "impro" (ostensibly a book about improv but actually full of stuff like this)
>When I began teaching at the Royal Court Theatre Studio (1963), I noticed that the actors couldn’t reproduce `ordinary’ conversation. They said `Talky scenes are dull’, but the conversations they acted out were nothing like those I overheard in life. …
>I was preoccupied with this problem when I saw the Moscow Art’s production of The Cherry Orchard. Everyone on stage seemed to have chosen the strongest possible motives for each action. … The effect was ‘theatrical’ but not like life as I knew it. I asked myself for the first time what were the weakest possible motives, the motives that the characters I was watching might really have had. When I returned to the studio I set the first of my status exercises.

>‘Try to get your status just a little above or below your partner’s,’ I said, and I insisted that the gap should be minimal. The actors seemed to know exactly what I meant and the work was transformed. The scenes became `authentic’, and actors seemed marvelously observant. Suddenly we understood that every inflection and movement implies a status, and that no action is due to chance, or really ‘motiveless’. It was hysterically funny, but at the same time very alarming. All our secret maneuverings were exposed. If someone asked a question we didn’t bother to answer it, we concentrated on why it had been asked. No one could make an ‘innocuous’ remark without everyone instantly grasping what lay behind it. Normally we are ‘forbidden’ to see status transactions except when there’s a conflict. In reality status transactions continue all the time. …

>Status is a confusing term, unless it’s understood as something one does. You may be low in status, but play high, and vice versa. … We always like it when a tramp is mistaken for the boss, or the boss for a tramp. … I should really talk about dominance and submission, but I’d create a resistance. Students who will agree readily to raising or lowering their status may object if asked to `dominate’ or `submit’. …

>A further discovery is that there’s no way to be neutral. You can see people trying to be neutral in group photographs. They pose with arms folded or close to their sides as if to say `Look, I’m not claiming any more space than I’m entitled to’, and they hold themselves very straight as if saying `But I’m not submissive either.’ …

>Many people will maintain that we don’t play status transactions with our friends, and yet every movement, every inflection of the voice implies a status. My answer is that acquaintances become friends when they agree to play status games together. … If I take a cup of tea to a friend then I may say `Get up, you old cow’ or `Your Highness’s tea’, pretending to raise or lower status. Once students understand that they already play status games with their friends, then they realize that they already know most of that status games I’m trying to teach them.

>We soon discovered the `see-saw’ principle: ‘I go up and you go down.’ … The exception to the see-saw principle comes when you identify with the person raised or lowered. … When you claim status because you know some famous person, then you’ll feel raised when they are. …

>Social animals have inbuilt rules which prevent them killing each other for food, mates, and so on. Such animals confront each other, and often fight, until a hierarchy is established, after which there is no fighting unless an attempt is made to change the ‘pecking order’. This system is found in animals as diverse as humans, chickens, and woodlice. I’ve known about this ever since I was given a book about social dominance in kittiwake colonies, yet I hadn’t immediately thought of applying this information to actor training. This is because normal people are inhibited from seeing that no action, sound, or movement is innocent of purpose. …

>In animals the pattern of eye contacts often establishes dominance. A stare is often interpreted as an aggressive act. … Visitors to zoos feel dominant when they can outstare the animals. I suggest you try the opposite with zoo animals: break eye contact and then glance back for a moment. Polar bears may suddenly see you as food. Owls cheer up perceptibly. …

>My belief (at this moment) is that people have a preferred status; that they like to be low, or high, and that they try to manoeuvre themselves into the preferred positions. A person who plays high status is saying `Don’t come near me, I bite.’ Someone who plays low status is saying `Don’t bite me, I’m not worth the trouble.’ In either case the status played is a defence, and it’ll usually work. It’s very likely that you will increasingly be conditioned into playing the status that you’ve found an effective defense. You become a status specialist, very good at playing one status but not very happy or competent at playing the other. …

>I’d suggest that a good play is one that ingeniously displays or reverses the status between characters.

>>800503
>i am contrarian and react to reddit ragebait

>>800507
My extremely CPC pilled ex said the same thing; it's not hard to learn some table manners for your partner.

>>800509
oh god, how horrifying. how do I escape this back and forth struggle? I don't want to dominate or be dominated. I just want to be a neutral party. leave me be, I say.

>>800503
It's just politeness, when someone makes you food you respect their traditions.
See it that way, you make food for someone and he eats it with his hands while slurping our loud and making loud noises.
You'd rightfully feel disrespected. Well thats the same here.

>>800514
in practice this means your natural preference is probably low. mine too in real life, though online i play high…
most of the time this is all benign, most people aren't trying to totally dominate or totally submit to one another (remember, the instruction to the actors was to get their status just a little above the other person), there's a lot of back and forth and once you're friends you make a game of it. if you look at the OP image, the problem is that the couple (who should really be quite close friends) don't make a game of it, they take it very seriously: the wife is upset the husband hasn't backed down, the husband is upset that his wife has expected him to back down, so things escalate until he's eating with a fork just to avoid playing low briefly. (he doesn't even go for any of the other fun moves, like going "sorry, you didn't tell me" which backs down to the request but also plays the uno reverse card when it comes to responsibility for why he got it wrong, or if they were more friendly with one another, agreeing but making a joke of it such as by pretending to respond in a way that raises his wife's status too much, or whatever.)

but think of it more like ping pong or something innocuous rather than some constant life and death struggle. in many ways it's something you can use benevolently. status is one of the few things in the world that isn't in limited supply, so if you can find ways to give it to others freely in a way that they like, you can make them happier at no cost whatsoever.

>>800526
>>800513
>>800519

Shes engaging in ethnonationalism tho

>>800528
she wouldn't be expecting him to follow her traditions if that was the case.

No offense but every interracial relationship that isnt set in latin america look like hell on earth.

>>800531
They're the only ones that work out where I live, what a bizarre "observation" to make.

>>800507
>he thinks there won't be even more random local traditions after the world gets globalized
Every locality will have their quirks that everyone will do to virtue signal their authenticity as opposed to all the people that constantly move around in a world without borders (if even half the planet is still hospitable)

>>800531
Only because Latin America is a monoculture. Think of like the Borg in Star Trek.

While more open than East Asian societies, Latin American societies are still less individualistic and more close-minded compared to American society, which partially explains why LatAm largely tails after online American culture instead of being the other way around, despite LatAm having more soft power than Iberia.

Though this isn’t an either/or question as a great portion of American culture is inspired by Latinx, so you could say that American online subcultures are a cornucopia of various diasporas who are too distinct from mainlanders to be deemed as part of them. Such as:

• Blackpill can be deemed as an Asiatic ideology for its defeatism and lack of revolutionary and rebellious ethos
  
  
• Redpill as African American machismo
  
  
• Sharty and soyjak-play as standard vitriolic Latinx banter
  
  
• e-liberalism as a pan-white project
  
  

So on and so forth. With that said, stuff like woke, the alt-right, the current online right, evangelicalism, furry fandom, the concept of fandom, etc… are clearly American.

>>800505
damn I can't believe ragebaiting has become so popular that tourist ragebaiting is now a thing

>>800549
>tourist ragebaiting is now a thing
Isn't that what Bruno/Borat are?

https://www.tiktok.com/@itsbenreid
The guy in the vid is also a Bong

>>800505
Fucking love this. #TOTALWOPDEATH

Am I the only one who thinks this feels AI generated?

>>800596
It is, yeah.

this is like someone refusing to say thank you after someone helps them because its just a "silly tradition"