/siberia/ - Off-topic

I can't believe The Left™ supported a serial adulterer. Thank goodness we're so much more moral now.

>>803155
Fuck that stinky nerd. At least MLK Jr wasnt racist. He also was a legitimate pacifist unlike Gandhi.

>>803188
Didn't ghandi advocate for europeans invaded by germany to just do nothing and die, sounds like true pacifism to me

Did the left even like Gandhi? I don’t know much about it but I assumed that he was propped up by liberals so India would not fall to communism and they wanted to create a narrative that Non-Violent protest actually works

>>803192
>he was propped up by liberals so India would not fall to communism and they wanted to create a narrative that Non-Violent protest actually works
/thread

>>803154
Because moralfagging leads to nowhere. In fact, if people like you made up the majority of the Russian Bolsheviks, then Lenin would have never succeeded since the movement would then be flooded with so many accusations of pedophilia and rape that the movement would have collapsed without even a whimper.

>pedophile
And? By that dumb logic, Stalin too was one. Same for gay icon Harvey Milk. Should we cancel them next, you bigot?

>>803274
>Lenin would have never succeeded since the movement would then be flooded with so many accusations of pedophilia and rape that the movement would have collapsed without even a whimper.
Agent Kochinski on defending Platner and the democrat party

marxism-leninism is a science. lenin developed the foruma for revolution in 1917. its like following the recipe for brewing cyanide. the closer you follow exactly what marx and lenin said the more pure the outcome. my homebrew marxism is 96.8% pure.

I don't think any real leftist is a fan of him, since he supported liberal brahmanism (extremely reactionary).

>>803154
>>803155
are you really so mad about an electoralist flopping that this felt necessary

>>803274
dumb misidentification of the problem. if you do not enforce some degree of ideological discipline (which will be rooted in your actual concrete actions, e.g. "don't beat your wife or at least don't get caught beating your wife") instead of cheap words ("you must uphold the LTV") you will destroy the primary appeal of the left, which lies precisely in it being ideological and having ideas that explain the world and are worthy of engaging with in their own right. (the right, by contrast, is tribal. if trump wants tax cuts, the laffer curve shows tax cuts are good. if trump wants tax rises, economists don't know shit and by the transitive property that means the tax rises are good.)

if you want to get ahead, be cleaner than clean, utterly ruthless, or accept that you're going to play a supporting role to someone who is cleaner than clean.
now take your nonce apologia and fuck off

>>803318
>moralism
>ideological discipline
Brother.
What the fuck do you think leftism even is? Do you think left vs right is "nice people vs mean people"??? I guess Trump has been the political reality for the past 10 years so if that's all you know then I guess that makes sense to you.
>you will destroy the primary appeal of the left
Quite the opposite, the incessant puritanism of the American left is its greatest downfall (and it's a modern phenomena). It's an insane vulnerability with no strategic upsides. Any moderately well-funded operation can simply launch a smear campaign and half the American left will join in on it for free.

>>803496
Or maybe people are tired of moids raping because tgey don't like rape

>>803519
LOL as if not being an angel stopped Trump from being elected into office, twice.

You moralfags are the most pathetic people on Earth. You’d be the kind to have the Bolshevik revolution stopped at its track because some army officer did le graep despite the fact that everyone that ever worked in the military has a dirty closet.

You’re 100% gulag-worthy material.

>>803318
Yadda yadda more moralfagging and boomerslop from somebody who never lived through a revolution.

P.S.: Moralfagging over age-gaps is the hallmark of a Christcuck. Piss off uyghur

>>803318
>, which lies precisely in it being ideological and having ideas that explain the world and are worthy of engaging with in their own right.
Oh boy
Some of you guys treat leftism as secular Christianity and it shows

>>803496

1. the american left is the most popular it has ever been, particularly with young people, therefore it cannot have "its greatest downfall" - there is no downfall to explain! it's all up! the only way to counter this is to go "muh FDR" like a good little lib.
   
2. in practice the core political divide in almost every developed country is now "well-meaning, intelligent, left-wing people" versus "evil, stupid, right-wing people". in terms of personality traits, it is high versus low openness rather than agreeableness vs disagreeableness, although the latter is also a factor.
   

(you might think this was always the case, but it wasn't. charts related. to summarise them: in 1950 smart, high-income people voted republican and uneducated, low-income people voted democrat. nowadays income is a wash but the educational position has flipped. the archetypal democrat is an underemployed college grad socialist and the archetypal republican is a guy who owns a car dealership and thinks vaccines give you cancer.)

you severely overrate the power of moralists (did you forget the "bernie bro" slur? if it worked, sanders wouldn't still be around! did you forget Tara Reade? if moralism worked the way you imagine, sleepy joe would've been #cancelled in 2020! to take an international example: Corbyn did not lose left-wing voters to antisemitism accusations, contra-expectations. if only university educated people got to vote in 2019 he'd have won by Tony Blair numbers despite most of the wrecking being aimed at them. instead, he lost uneducated culturally conservative voters to the conservative party over Brexit.)

>>803597

1. boomerslop is an ironic accusation given that in most countries the primary divide is young progressives vs old reactionaries. (not so much in the US, mind you.)
   
2. you have never lived through a revolution either, you massive LARPer
   
   

>>804026
as an actually existing phenomenon in the present day, it is. all politics and most of fandom is one big ersatz religion.
you can cope and seethe about that fact if you want to, but you're stuck with it.

Indian right-wingers also hate him because he advocated for a constitutionally secular India instead of a Hindu nationalist India

>>803154
>Why didn't The Left™ cancel him?
Because we havent been totally consumed by moralism yet.
>>804123
It's as if he was objectively a progressive in or something.

>>804123
It was Indian right wingers that killed him too.

>>804038
Still boomerslop in mentality. Like I said, you’re the kind who would have tore down the Bolshevik revolution and thus have the USSR never be formed because someone in the leadership has some MeToo allegation against them.

>>804037
Tell that to Stalin: https://xcancel.com/benbackupbackup/status/2070498502317150248

>>804152
Yeah and the USSR would have been better if Stalik was cancelled just like Lenin asked before dying, ergo rape bad

>>804162
Where’s the evidence Stalin, Gandhi, and Platner raped anyone at all tho?

Again, you need to let go of bourgeois moralisms like MeToo-style crap. How else will you get into a revolutionary Leninist mindset if all it takes to stop the revolution is some sex abuse allegations?

Besides, I bet you wouldn’t even be able to define what rape is. And no, the presence of an arbitrary age gap you subjectively find disgusting doesn’t make it rape.

I’ll also add that, without Stalin, the USSR would have met the same fate as the Hungarian and Bavarian Soviet republics.

>>804171

1. stop moralfagging
   
2. The communist revolution in Russia is still relevant, hence why it’s a subject of study to this day. Your philistine presentism is dumb
   
3. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but you won’t be able to have a revolution if moralfagging runs rampant.

>>804171
> conditions
i don't know if you noticed but the USSR collapsed 35 years ago (i guess you wouldn't, being a child and not a boomer and so on.) and should not really be taken as a reference for how to do anything.

Wouldn’t it be the other way around? Most USSR nostalgics are usually boomers. It’s the children whom are aware that the USSR is dead and gone because they were born after the fall of the USSR.