/siberia/ - Off-topic

Most leftists on here are just jealous of more prosperous people. All the talk about “kill the rich” is just empty threats. If anons on here were given the chance to actually wreak havoc, they’d fold immediately.

>Is it wrong of me to think this way?
Yes

>Even if given the opportunity i would just strip the bourgouise of their property and wealth instead of killing them.
That makes you a communist. Punishment / Justice are liberal ideology and reactionary.
>I just dont want to hurt people. Is it wrong of me to think this way?
It's because you're a materialist and know there's no reason to, even if you struggle to articulate why.

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>>803267
> That makes you a communist. Punishment / Justice are liberal ideology and reactionary

So we can conclude that Leftypol is mostly liberal reactionaries
Also, communist societies were notorious for their harsh penal system's

>>803267
Honestly, the best way to punish bourgeois is to make them live as homeless people for seven years.

Killing or jailing them is just cuckery

>>803212
No, but the board will say yes.
The only reason to believe violent revolution is inevitable is the bad habit of reading Marx as theology. He said it, so it MUST be true, there's no need to update our assumptions based on all the revolutionary AES countries either imploding or turning into developmentalist states with a substantial capitalist elements.
When capitalism has developed to its logical end point the transition to socialism will be more peaceful than not. (there may be one or two revolutions here, but even here you might imagine a wet-squib colour revolution with tens or hundreds of casualties rather than the book of revelation made manifest.)

>>803269
harsh justice comes from the state being in a position of weakness, which was and to some extent is the position of "AES" states. the USSR used the stick because it could not afford the carrot.
meanwhile you're on /leftypol/ play-acting as a revolutionary because the first world country you live in knows that you're a paper tiger and that letting you LARP lets off steam.

>>803269
>So we can conclude that Leftypol is mostly liberal reactionaries
Uhh yes?

>>803212
>Even if given the opportunity i would just strip the bourgouise of their property and wealth instead of killing them.
Same, it's just not a realistic goal though. I've seen violence up close, I'm not a fan or supporter of it but it is, unfortunately, often necessary.

Sadly, we have to kill them, at least the most powerful and influential ones, because they are an ideological parasite. If you don't kill them, capitalist thought will remain in society, and sooner or later it will lead to the creation of a new bourgeoisie within the socialist system. This is also why there is a need for permanent revolution, even after establishing socialism.

>>803326
if this was how modes of production worked capitalists would've killed you already. capitalism is not threatened by disney movies idolising feudalism or by /leftypol/ and most people under 30 idolising socialism and communism, why should socialism be any different?

>>803212
same

>>803212
A central theme throughout the 19th century among the rising bourgeoise and socialists was the need to make credit and land a public utility. Some wanted land taxes, land reform, or flat out nationalisation (John Stuart Mill, Henry George, Marx).
tbh, if you have control over land and credit, you have pretty much defanged the entire capitalist class. But good luck doing that.

>>803269
>Also, communist societies were notorious for their harsh penal system's
Not everything a socialist state has done is intrinsic to socialism or communism. Many of them were liberal and reactionary, especially the USSR. They still demonstrated that socialism as an economic system works as theoretically expected.

>>803275
>harsh justice comes from the state being in a position of weakness, which was and to some extent is the position of "AES" states. the USSR used the stick because it could not afford the carrot.
>meanwhile you're on /leftypol/ play-acting as a revolutionary because the first world country you live in knows that you're a paper tiger and that letting you LARP lets off steam.

Fair point. It’s like how schools and homes that use harsh discipline on children are usually comprised of weak/insecure adults whose egos are running on fumes.

>>803370
USSR was liberal?
Explain how this worked?
Were the western conservatives correct then to compare Democrats to USSR?

Wasn’t the USSR homophobic and pro-natalist and anti-porn?

>>803370
>They still demonstrated that socialism as an economic system works as theoretically expected.

Can you clarify this? If socialism did work as an economic system, the USSR wouldn’t have flopped

Also what’s the difference between socialism as economic practice and governance?

>>803327
This

>>803374
>Wasn’t the USSR homophobic and pro-natalist and anti-porn
Yes, and those are liberal positions to have. If the USSR wasn't liberal they would have not taken the "socially conservative, economically progressive" approach, because you can't unmarry sociology and economics. To be economically progressive is to be socially progressive, or you're hitting the gas and breaks at the same time as the USSR did, wasting resources.

>>803212
>Even if given the opportunity i would just strip the bourgouise of their property and wealth instead of killing them.

bro thats fine, only edgelords say otherwise.

>>803375
>Can you clarify this? If socialism did work as an economic system, the USSR wouldn’t have flopped
Too much external intervention by capitalists and intelligence agencies with not enough accumulation to resist it, various critical points of mismanagement. If you actually look into how it preformed during it's run, and how China is performing with it's dengist setup, you'll see that socialst production outperforms capitalist production.
>Also what’s the difference between socialism as economic practice and governance?
There isn't any.