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Why the hell are there so many muslim socialists?
You cannot claim to be a materialist yet believe in the immaterial at the same time.

Depends on whether you consider God to be an active participant in history or just a prime mover that allows it to operate under its own power. Theoretically, you could regard the study of society and its laws of motion in the same way religious people have regarded the study of the natural world. Not as a way to disprove God or religion but as a way to better understand the mechanisms he implemented to govern the material world. This is how most mainline Christians view evolution for example. I don't see why historical materialism couldn't be in the same category.

>>803941
>or just a prime mover
THERE IS NO PRIME MOVER IN MARXISM (DYNAMIZED SPINOZISM)
MARXISM BELIEVES IN SELF-DEVELOPMENT OF MATTER (CAUSA SUI), REVISIONIST SCUM

>>803966
and why is this point necessary for analyzing the economy

>>803970
Why did your fellow mechanists all reject sioc?
It's about the development of society via class struggle ie internal contradictions

>socialists->hate america
>muslims->also hate america
It's a no brainer, they can hate america 2 times more.

It's called entryism

>>803928
>Why the hell are there so many muslim socialists?

For the same reason there are so many Christian socialists, who also have their same flaws, although the degree of anti-Americanism varies on a gradient in the case of Christian socialists ranging from pro-American Mormons to anti-American Orthodox of Eastern Europe (particularly Serbia and Russia).

>>803928
>You cannot claim to be a materialist yet believe in the immaterial at the same time.
You could grind up every commodity in the world and not find one particle of "value." Unfortunately the online left has no answer to this because they think materialism is the same as physicalism. Sad!

>>804005
>value exists outside of human society
Absolute state of godcucks

>>804013
It also doesnt even exist in this physical realm.
I genuinely dont understand religious people especially ones deeming themselves marxists
why are they so attached to the concept of an omniscient deity controlling and judging our actions.
Why are they unable to and unwilling to let go of this nonsense?

>>804014
Wanna know something? Most theists don’t actually believe in a metaphysical daddy figure watching over them. They just hope that there is. The only people whom are willing to take the logistics of a metaphysical daddy figure seriously are usually agnostics.

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>>804014
>>804005
>You could grind up every commodity in the world and not find one particle of "value."
>It also doesnt even exist in this physical realm.
Absolute retardation. Value does exist in this material realm, even though it doesn't comprise of a physical substance. The relations between physical substances are also material, even though they are not physical. They surely don't exist in an ideal realm, because they can be observed in material reality. Exchange value is a measure of the socially necessary labour time that went into creating a commodity, emphasis on socially necessary because it embodies within itself the very real physical labour of workers who were organized to create or reconfigure it. The transformation of that commodity from raw materials and/or other commodities into a new one itself embodies a value addition, because it brought a change in the relations of the commodity's constituent components. And this value addition exists materially, despite not being a physical substance.

For example, a piece of steel can be made into a hammer. A set amount of labour, commodities and capital (wood, fuel, furnace, anvil etc.) went into the transformation. You can't physically search for the particles of value added, because they are embodied within the new relations between the physical components of the commodity (the steel's shape and material properties have been changed through forging and annealing, changing the configuration of its crystalline microstructure).

TL;DR Value is embodied within the transformation of raw materials to commodities. It is material even though it is not a physical substance.

>>804018
Same goes for many other things, like natural forces (gravitational, electrostatic, nuclear) which don't comprise of physical substance, but aren't "immaterial" either.

>>804020
You know what?
I like this explanation

>>804020
Wouldn’t physical refer to phenomena while material refer to substance though?

Praise be to Allah and his prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

>>804023
Materiality encompasses both physical substances and their interactions.

>>803966
Why does it matter? If it doesn't interfere with a clear and accurate understanding of Darwinian biological evolution, why would it interfere with a clear and accurate understanding of Marxian social evolution?

>>803966
marxism is not a religion chuddy


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