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>You think you know more than a century old communist party.
Appeal to authority.
>All sources that criticize China are westoid glowfag sources.
Cherrypicking + ad hominem.
>Deng lifted millions from poverty.
That's what happens when a country gets industrialized. Nothing to do with socialism.
>There is no private property in China.
The leases they give to corporations are so generous there might as well be.
>They're going to destroy the USA
They're beating the USA at their own game, the game of imperialism.
>They kill a billionaire every once in a while so it's not that bad.
lmfao

Did I miss any?

You missed the 2 biggest Western facing propaganda lines I've seen: 1) In America you can change the party but you can't change the policies; in China you can't change the party but you can change the policies. 2) In America capital controls the state, in China the state controls capital.

>>807058
>In America, people eat shit, while in China, shit jumps into people's mouths.

>>806981
the USSR collapsed in an embarrassing heap (while everyone inside it with a brain knew the correct move was to do as Deng did), while Vietnam follows the same path.

>>807091
*yawn*

>>806981
All TRVKEs

>>807091
MLs be like
>Glasnost and Perestroika wasn't enough, the USSR needed to liberalize and sell out even HARDER to the West like China did in order to survive!

>>807058
in america youre a fart smella, in china youre a smart fella

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>>807109
Are you positing some hypothetical even greater liberalization than total dissolution of the state?

Makes sense, ultraleftist theory is that AES is worse than full on shock therapy capitalism

>full on shock therapy capitalism
That was happening in China in 90s as well.

China is Roosevelt's America

>>807130
Really, did their children get sold into epstein rape rings or die from heroin & crime like in eastern europe or did I miss that part?

>>807109
Glasnost was moronic (what if we showed all the mid-tier elites just how much better off the average western civil servant was, then let them whine about it openly?) and Perestroika was the right idea in high-concept ("economic reform") but asinine in practice, rooted as it was in reforming an economy none of the reformers actually understood based on principles none of them had thought through.

It is not a question of liberalising "softer" or "harder", Gorbachev's problem is not that his liberalisation was "soft", it is that it was utterly stupid. It broke down the firewall between beznal ("non-cash" for accounting purposes between state enterprises) and nal (actual circulating money people use to buy goods and services) leading to a situation where the state was basically printing the money for its own looting, leading to hyperinflation and shortages and originating basically every negative stock-image of the Soviet economy.
This is not a half-way point between the old Soviet economy and Dengism, this is a completely different path towards doom.

That said: No Socialist leader has sold out harder to the west than Gorbachev. He handed over the entirety of eastern Europe (by necessity, the USSR was too broke to do otherwise!) while China has never had to renounce its claim to Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, the Paracel Islands…

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>>807139
they worked longer hours in order to catch up to the west and overtake it. that's literally the hecking same thing

they should have had a color revolution and civil war instead, that would have been less work (i am very stupid)


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