Why do people say "the problem is not judaism, it's zionism" as if zionism wasn't a product of judaism, as if judaism wasn't extremely chauvinistic, as if the majority of jewish people weren't also zionists and as if religion was anything but a problem in society? It would be like saying "The problem is not christianity, it's right-wing christian politicians who want to make the country a theocracy!". I understand that some zionists aren't even jewish and that we shouldn't just kill anyone with a religious icon in their homes, but how long can we keep pretending religious extremism is isolated from non-radical religious practice and belief?
It do be true doe that the problem isn't Christianity, it's Evangelism/Mormonism/etc.; HERO OF THE PEOPLE Jesus of Nazareth was a COMMUNIST.
Of course Jews REJECT his REINSTATEMENT of the JUBILEE YEAR and so they must be opposed as reactionaries. Almost half don't even believe in God anyway.
>>807523>Rabbi Yeshua was le based commie!You're a reactionary.
>>807505people dont want to be called anti semite.
The truth of the matter is that religious extremism has almost always had political aspects.
Zionism as we know it today wasn’t even religious in its origin.
It was purely secular
I would even argue that Christianity as a religion lost any spiritual elements centuries ago.
>>807533I find it funny that criticism of Jews is considered “anti Semitism” while contempt for Arabs isn’t.
Israel isn’t the only Semitic country
>>807505yeah we get it dude, people just don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past where entire populations of people, however "problematic" they might be, get punished for what the worst of them do. Muslims shouldn't be punished because of what CIA-backed Wahhabists do. Jews shouldn't be punished because of what Mossad and the Israeli government do. Christians shouldn't be punished because of what neo-crusaders deus vult freaks like pete hegseth do. indians should be punshed for what hindutva do.
also there comes a point where you just have to pick a target and that target might as well be big enough to hit, but small enough to focus on. When it comes to Judaism that target is zionism. If you try to focus on "the jews" in general you'll just be combating nazi accusations and won't get anything done.
>>807550the origins of the term anti semite was the anti semitic league in germany which was founded as an anti-jewish thing rather than an anti muslim thing. yes etymologically semitic is a much broader thing that applies to muslims and arabs, but context matters. ludwig wittgenstein talked about language games for a reason.
it's kind of frustrating how palestine allies now have to combat false accusations of being nazis, while at the same time actually nazis will team up with zionists (see ukraine) or, even worse, hide behind pro-palestine movements.
>>807527 they're right the Christian doctrine is inherently reactionary and Jewish
People just don't want to be called antisemitic or make the movement look as such though we of course have our critiques mostly revolving around their view on private property, inheritance, near worship of capital, etc
>>807575This is why I never understood why people freak out about neologisms. Most languages are made up from slang terms that got adapted and suffered vowel shifts, pronunciation shifts, etc
Language is nine-tenths connotation.
As they say, “It’s not what you say, it’s how you say it”.
Libs cry about Christian extremism but not Zionists genociding Palestinians and Armenians. What could this mean???
>>807609Not true. Libs cry out against Zionism all the time. Most even attribute Zionism as Christian extremism
>>807649People forget that communism had a lot of Jewish figureheads amongst its ranks
>>807649Obvious cherrypicking. They might be similar on the surface level but they are very different
Jesus upheld the idea of "god" and of "sin" and promoted his idealist teachings as absolute truth because it was "the word of God". He also famously said to "turn the other cheek", which in the real class struggle obviously doesn't work.
And did you forget the entirety of communist ideology is materialistic in essence? In a material understanding of the universe, such thing as "God" simply can't exist.
Marxism is a science, Christianity is a cult which was "progressive" for its time, and its respective "sacred" texts are so ambiguous and poorly written that 2000 years later people can't decide on which interpretation is the correct one (spoiler: there is no correct interpretation because religion is bullshit).
>>807575It was a Jewish thing because Jews were the only significant Semitic population in Europe. Their whole deal was that Jews should be opposed because of Racial reasons, they are descendants of Shem, like the Arabs, thus belong in the Near East and outside of Europe.
They wanted a Europe only of Japhetites.
>>807661This,
Christianity acts like basic morality lessons it gives are somehow profound breakthroughs of it’s time.
The vast majority of Bible teachings can be easily attained in secular books.
The problem is, people act like religion is necessary for basic morals.
To make matters worse Christianity teaches that humans cannot and should not ever better themselves on their own without divine influence
Christianity is very fantastically where it assumes all emotional and physical effects are “spiritually influenced”
>>807661>Jesus upheld the idea of "god" and of "sin"Karl Marx is God, and sin is everything that the left mainstream doesn't like.
>and promoted his idealist teachings as absolute truth because it was "the word of God"The Communists present Das Kapital in much the same way.
>He also famously said to "turn the other cheek", which in the real class struggle obviously doesn't work.So why do commies insult socdems when they're trying to improve the lot of the working class? Accelerationism is "turning the other cheek."
>In a material understanding of the universe, such thing as "God" simply can't exist.And how does one contradict the other? You're just a reddit atheist.
>Marxism is a science, Christianity is a cult which was "progressive" for its time, and its respective "sacred" texts are so ambiguous and poorly written that 2000 years later people can't decide on which interpretation is the correct one (spoiler: there is no correct interpretation because religion is bullshit).Is this post satire or what? Judging by your description, Marxism has all the characteristics of Christianity.
>>807788All true, especially with how Marxists like to talk about “dialectics” and call everyone they don’t like as spooks or bourgeois.
And they act like they can fix the problem
Every problem in the world leads back to capitalism minus the inherent suffering of being embodied and having to face death. Once capitalism is abolished the last contradiction would be the overcoming of nature itself.
>>807817Capitalism is a symptom not the cause
>>807831If private property didn't exist Zionism wouldn't have a leg to stand on, so it very much is a cause. Even if we grant that capitalism was abolished that wouldn't stop people freely associating in common like how fandoms and subcultures do currently, or like how people self impose restrictions upon themselves like veganism, that is why I think religion will continue to exist under communism as long as the existential angst and suffering continues to exist and death isn't overcome.
>>807788>Karl Marx is God, and sin is everything that the left mainstream doesn't like.Just because some very stupid people treat Marx as a god and his writings as sacred does not mean Marx presented himself as such. Have you actually ever read Marx?
>So why do commies insult socdems when they're trying to improve the lot of the working class?Because social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism.
>muh accelerationismDo you even know what that word means?
>And how does one contradict the other?The idea of God is one of a non-material thing being the cause and origin of the material world. If you don't see the obvious contradiction with materialism, where matter is the primary nature of the universe, I can only believe you're either trolling or retarded.
>>807835Private property existed before capitalism.
Zionism would’ve happened if we still had feudalism
Also Zionism wasn’t successful based on private property alone
Libertarianism is all about private property yet it’s mocked by everyone, left and right
Zionism operates on fandom as the other things you described.
>>807881NTA but alot of people do use Marx as gospel especially against “spooks”
>>807626Abrahamic Religion is unnatural and prevents people from finding the truth about society because God™ is an illusion created to keep everyone in their roles as subservient, ignorant sheep.
>>808020Abrahamic religions anthropomorphizes God far too much.
It’s not about reverence to God
It’s about Man taking advantage of Gods reverence for Man.
God would not care about humans kissing his ass.
The praise and worship that Abrahmic religiopolitical adults force onto children is superstition
“The fear of The Lord is the beginning of wisdom” as the Bible says.
What they’re really saying is “Please suck Gods dick so He can cum gold and silver on your face”
The fear of The Lord is just Fear Of Missing Out
>>807985No, you don't get it, communism is the abolition of private property therefore Zionism would have no way to be realised. Subcultures/fandoms exist within the meta-culture but don't usurp it, especially if private property is abolished, because there would be no property to appropriate and most likely they wouldn't want to anyway because they wouldn't be alienated like they are under capitalism.
>>808142Are you aware that there were some communist factions that were sympathetic towards Zionism?
Zionism didn’t start out as a capitalist ideology. It was a secular ethnocultural theology.
Even if capitalism didn’t exist, Zionism still would’ve happened one way or another.
Especially since Christianity worships Jewry.
As for subcultures and fandoms, most of the alienation is due to fans getting nostalgia or obsessing over “relatability”
>>807881>Because social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism.Falsenvke
>Do you even know what that word means?It's when you let the elite rape the working class in the hopes that one day they will rise up.
>The idea of God is one of a non-material thingBut at the same time, it is present in all people around the world.
>>808158Bro the SPD committed a massacre against the communists only a decade before
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