/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>809654
Because they don't want the competition, feminists think that you should have to buy them a Louis Vuitton purse to be able to see a pussy

stop shoving your sexuality down everyones throat

Because they’re mad about men drooling over youthful beauty.
Feminists want men to pay attention only to meatspace females

>>809665
by that logic every single damn female oriented media is cooked, men with large heights and ethereal androgyn looks, hair to the shoulders

oh but the defense to that is always because real life men are hairy bald chimps lol

>>809657
So these so-called "Feminists" want to perpetuate the "alpha fux beta bux" doctrine? I support women's rights but I don't have a problem with sexy anime girls even though I'm a lesbo gaycel

uygha it can get annoying and jarring when your narrative features the opposite gender very diversely but all characters of your gender look like barbie dolls. Even more so when thats most shit in nerd spaces.
I like women a lot and I dont mind goonbait from time to time but I cant take your story seriously if all women are eye candy with huge breasts and thighs and skimpy outfits and uguu asian idol faces.

It doesn't, you're just on twitter.

A lot of feminists are just proto-incels. Women on the wrong side of lookism REEEEEEing at pretty girls.
It's what happens when feminists dont actually read their own theory and instead just surf vibes and feelings, which is extremely common.

>>809654
how'd you get that picture of my wife's mistress (who occasionally cums to me when she needs a shoulder to cry on)?
>why do feminists get big mad when dudes droll over bagina?
because something something objectification. only, bitches do that shit too, and no one really cares, or even agrees whether or not it's objectification. riddle me this, sharty-chan: if a bitch uses a dude as a free-access ATM she gets to enjoy as long as she's rubbing her body all over him, is that not objectification of the man in question? a certain exploitation, if you will? I'd wager that it is, but most people would see it as a cynical transaction that benefits both parties at best. "it's not objectification if the man enjoys it" makes about as much sense as "it's okay for teenage boys to be molested by their adult female teachers as long as she's hot" or "it's only gay if the balls touch". in other words, it makes no sense at all desu ne.

anyway, this is all just some idpol shit if you ask me, because bitches be big mad bout how figures in media can negatively influence the expectations of young women who then go on to starve themselves, or take drugs, or invest in a litany of beauty products, or even get plastic surgery in order to look like a real life anime girl. that shit is gay though, because the real solution is to help young girls reassess their expectations by helping them examine the absurdity of these characters, not by limiting their creation in the first place.

course, they'll never admit to this, because they think the idea that because 'media influences people' that any media of any kind is a hugely dangerous thing that poses grave threat to humanity and must be carefully controlled (by feminists) to ensure, well, quality control and curation, so that no scary nasty sentiments manage to fall through the cracks as it were.

>>809668
All media is cooked to the sore losers.
As a man, I like yaoi for the pretty hunks
I also enjoy bimbos.

I hate the people who complain about both gender oriented media and the people who use fiction as a moral indicator for real life.

>>809690
>that shit is gay though, because the real solution is to help young girls reassess their expectations by helping them examine the absurdity of these characters, not by limiting their creation in the first place.

>course, they'll never admit to this, because they think the idea that because 'media influences people' that any media of any kind is a hugely dangerous thing that poses grave threat to humanity and must be carefully controlled (by feminists) to ensure, well, quality control and curation, so that no scary nasty sentiments manage to fall through the cracks as it were.

People use the “children are impressionable” angle to single out media genres they don’t like

Children are more influenced by real world factors relative to media genres than media genres themselves

People assume video games turns teenagers into school shooters or that rap music makes them into hooligans

It doesn’t
Any teen that’s a hooligan was raised in a rough and tumble environment
Any teens that’s a school shooter was probably socially neglected

Socialization influences childrens behavior more than lines on a screen

>>809690
>anyway, this is all just some idpol shit if you ask me, because bitches be big mad bout how figures in media can negatively influence the expectations of young women who then go on to starve themselves, or take drugs, or invest in a litany of beauty products, or even get plastic surgery in order to look like a real life anime girl

Meanwhile they laugh at male youths bodily insecurities and even exploit it against them

>>809690
>but most people would see it as a cynical transaction that benefits both parties at best. "it's not objectification if the man enjoys it" makes about as much sense as "it's okay for teenage boys to be molested by their adult female teachers as long as she's hot" or "it's only gay if the balls touch". in other words, it makes no sense at all desu ne.

Not exactly true for the first two.
Society looks down on men for financing women for livelihood although they will condemn them for not so.
Also, teen males getting sex from adult females is looked down upon nowadays.
Even if the adult female is early twenties at the most.
People are even freaking out over fictional characters with a small age gap.
Fictional teen characters from worlds where kids are trained as soldiers are seen as being groomed for dating another fictional character that’s only five years their senior

>>809692
>People assume video games turns teenagers into school shooters or that rap music makes them into hooligans

>It doesn’t
>Any teen that’s a hooligan was raised in a rough and tumble environment
>Any teens that’s a school shooter was probably socially neglected
I wouldn't say they cause both of these things but they can and do amplify existing conditions.
Media does affect the way people think.
People just tend to arbitrarily like feminists pick and choose based on their biases what parts of media they believe are actual spreading what they consider harmful attituteds. Like opposing portrayals of sexy women but being perfectly fine with violence and murder

>>809698
Fair point. That’s why I say media influences people relative to meatspace.

>Media does affect the way people think.
People just tend to arbitrarily like feminists pick and choose based on their biases what parts of media they believe are actual spreading what they consider harmful attituteds. Like opposing portrayals of sexy women but being perfectly fine with violence and murder

That’s why I said people use the “children are impressionable” card to single out media products they don’t like.

>>809692
I largely agree with you, but also the media you consume does have some degree of impact on your system of beliefs, no matter how large or small. for instance, and I know this is dumb, but it proves the point – there's this one scene in the film bloodsport where jean claude van damme is preparing for his bout, right? he's like stretching and whatever, to the point where he's doing the splits, and one of the primary characters remarks something like
>you better go easy on the stretching, you might want to have kids someday
the implication being that if a man does the splits it can make him impotent. it was a cheeky joke, but I always thought there might be something to it, because I watched that movie when I was a kid. of course it's horse shit, but I didn't know that when I heard it, and the point is that maybe the appearance of some characters impresses upon children some perception of how they ought to appear, which they subconsciously internalize.

it's just, I don't agree with the libs when it comes to the extent to which media can influence a person.
>>809695
I would say that a lot of the bullshit you see on social media is just ragebait/engagement farming, and they do that a lot of the time by straight up making shit up to be angry about, cause none of that shit makes any sense to me at all.

Literally no one cares about characters being sexualized in media. What is annoying is how often women in media (especially videogames) are all interchangeable onlyfans models. And the reason for this is that men are gooner-brained retards that will throw a fit if they see a female protagonist in media that they can't jack off to.

Whenever a realistic depiction of a woman appears in a videogame – not even ugly women, but good looking women without makeup – menchildren who unironically call themselves gamers will completely lose their minds.

>>809706
>I would say that a lot of the bullshit you see on social media is just ragebait/engagement farming, and they do that a lot of the time by straight up making shit up to be angry about, cause none of that shit makes any sense to me at all.

This predates social media. Not that you’re wrong, though.

>I largely agree with you, but also the media you consume does have some degree of impact on your system of beliefs, no matter how large or small. for instance, and I know this is dumb, but it proves the point – there's this one scene in the film bloodsport where jean claude van damme is preparing for his bout, right? he's like stretching and whatever, to the point where he's doing the splits, and one of the primary characters remarks something like
>you better go easy on the stretching, you might want to have kids someday
the implication being that if a man does the splits it can make him impotent. it was a cheeky joke, but I always thought there might be something to it, because I watched that movie when I was a kid. of course it's horse shit, but I didn't know that when I heard it, and the point is that maybe the appearance of some characters impresses upon children some perception of how they ought to appear, which they subconsciously internalize.

That’s what I mean. Media influences people relative to their sociophysical environment.
In fact, media works on pre-existent bias.
Media cannot influence you on things you don’t have biases for.

>>809709
Now you’re making up strawmen.
There’s plenty of female characters that aren’t drawn sexily that men appreciate
And irony is, gooner-brained men are far more diverse in their sexual preferences than you think.

>>809709
>Literally no one cares about characters being sexualized in media.
That is just a blatant lie
And your entire post again is just deflection to chuds.

>>809712
This.
Everyone likes to blame chuds for all media biases.
Irony is, chuds/incels/gooners are media genres to begin with

>>809709
ok but to that I say 1) "fuck realism" and 2) I don't care if a female character is a hyper-sexualized barbie doll, as long as she's a good character.
>the reason for this is because men are gooner-brained retards that will throw a fit if they see a female protagonist in media that they can't jack off to
I blame lazy writing more than anything else, and the only people you see these days complaining about that shit are muh gaymurgait culturewar grifter types like asmongold, the critical drinker, and the like. who gives a fuck about what they think?
>Whenever a realistic depiction of a woman appears in a videogame – not even ugly women, but good looking women without makeup – menchildren who unironically call themselves gamers will completely lose their minds.
disagree, everyone sexualizes ellie and abby, the characters from the last of us, and they're pretty "realistic" looking without being hyper-sexualized.

>>809709
>>809654
Controversial opinion but I find modest clothing more attractive a lot of the time. I think I'm oversaturated on half naked women.

>>809654
Yeah that's weird as a swimsuit because of the loose fabric but it made me laugh that it says "conceal her feminine curves," like what?

>>809716
Actually Aerith's main outfit is a good example of how you don't have do over the top skin showing outfits to make an attractive design. Long dresses are attractive.

I don't mean just in the video games too, I'm disappointed by how few women wear dresses IRL now too. Everyone's in fucking wedgied yoga pants all the time.

>>809711
>Now you’re making up strawmen.
>There’s plenty of female characters that aren’t drawn sexily that men appreciate

Ironic for you to accuse me of strawmanning you and then imediately following up with a strawman. I never said that there aren't lots of female characters that aren't sexualized. What I said, and I will copy what I said word for word here since you didn't read it the first time, is: '"What is annoying is how often women in media (especially videogames) are all interchangeable onlyfans models."'.

>>809712
It's hiperbolic, but it's not a lie. You'll find very, very few people who dislike the sexualization of fictional characters just by virtue of them being sexualized – what is overwhelmingly seen are people who dislike the fact that exclusively one gender is sexualized while the other isn't.

>>809714
>the only people you see these days complaining about that shit are muh gaymurgait culturewar grifter types like asmongold, the critical drinker, and the like. who gives a fuck about what they think?

They have huge audiences, so a lot of people care about what they think. A lot more people than the 3 feminists somewhere who dislike all forms of sexualization in media.

>Can someone explain why sexualizing fictional characters make feminists so mad?
god imagine being so retarded you can't comprehend a a corporate decision to preserve a PG rating in order to maximize the potential revenue. literal child mind.

>>809654
>conceal her curves as much as possible
They literally didn't?!?!?!!!?

>>809654
>can someone explain to me why feeding people makes commies so mad?
>>809657
>because they don't want free markets, communists think you should have to share your wife with the party


this is how you two sound

>>809727
>they have huge audiences
yeah but they're all bots and chuds, right?
>>809728
>preserve a PG rating in order to maximize the potential revenue
so then that begets the question: why should it be "PG" rated in the first place? in America this game is rated T for Teen, that's ages 13+ so they can be a bit risque with the designs, if they're also going to deal with heavy topics like death (aeris gets straight up executed), muh 'adventureism' (because the freedom figh– ahem sorry, terrorist organization AVALANCHE is blowing tankers and being a real thorn in the side of big mako by putting elon musk and his mind-raped alien edgelord yaoibait on the ropes) and borderline philosophical concepts like pondering the meaning of life and whatnot.

>>809714
>disagree, everyone sexualizes ellie and abby, the characters from the last of us, and they're pretty "realistic" looking without being hyper-sexualized.

This. In fact, most peoples sexual crushes are often fictional characters with modest designs

>>809727

>Ironic for you to accuse me of strawmanning you and then imediately following up with a strawman. I never said that there aren't lots of female characters that aren't sexualized. What I said, and I will copy what I said word for word here since you didn't read it the first time, is: '"What is annoying is how often women in media (especially videogames) are all interchangeable onlyfans models."'.

Ok that’s a fair point.
>It's hiperbolic, but it's not a lie. You'll find very, very few people who dislike the sexualization of fictional characters just by virtue of them being sexualized – what is overwhelmingly seen are people who dislike the fact that exclusively one gender is sexualized while the other isn't.

Men are sexualised in media as well but it’s not viewed as such.

>They have huge audiences, so a lot of people care about what they think. A lot more people than the 3 feminists somewhere who dislike all forms of sexualization in media.

The people who complain about fanservice are the same people who whine about “Mary Sues”
It’s just a result of the “awkwardness is adorable” trope that’s been promoted in media since the 1990s and 2000s.

In the 2010s it got even worse with journalists and fans complaining about characters who are naturally talented, stoic, and never had to struggle unnecessarily with attaining basic powers.

I have noticed that most of the characters that appeal to “relatability” are often the characters that are awkward, unworldly, excessively positive, pathetic, etc

Protagonists that are cynical and aren’t easily forgiving of villains are branded as “angsty asshole teens” who need to get over themselves

Villainy is no longer warranted of immediate punishment. People literally root for the villain to destroy everything a thousand times over and be forgiven. Villains are made to be perfectionists, dripping with wit, and exceptionally handsome

Have you ever noticed especially in anime, that villians tend to be sexier than the heroes?

Look at the Akatsuki in Naruto
Muzan from Demon Slayer
Any sexy-looking heroes are often given tragic backstories or are killed off.






>>809717
>I don't mean just in the video games too, I'm disappointed by how few women wear dresses IRL now too. Everyone's in fucking wedgied yoga pants all the time.

Bruh that’s mainly a ghettofab meme
Most women wear jeans and skirts unless you live in the ghetto.

>>809732

People complain about sexualisation in teen media but they’re okay with violence, death, gore, and racism.

You have people going apeshit over some risqué fashion designs for young kunoichi in Boruto while excusing the fact that said kunoichi are going up against cosmic villians with the ability to rewrite internal memories.

>>809728
>literal child mind.

Children are more capable of accepting greyness and complexity than you think.
It’s often adults and teens who obsess the most about “consistency”

>>809736
>Most women wear jeans and skirts unless you live in the ghetto.
I don't know what you're smoking. Lululemon is one of the biggest clothing companies in the world and that's all they make. Hell the tights situation was so crazy just a few years ago women were wearing tights that are painted to look like jeans lol.

>>809745
I don't know where you live if you don't see dozens of women dressed in these every time you go out. And not just women that are exercising or doing yoga or whatever.

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/23/yoga-pants-parade/

>>809709
any hobby that is based entirely on mindlessly consooming things will have a community of braindead manchildren who dont understand that the world wasnt handcrafted to fit their specific criteria

>>809749
>brain dead manchildren

And brain dead woman children as well

See superhero movies and shonen anime for example.

They’re the most prone to this

>>809749
A punk uygha, That’s the shit I don’t like (nah)
A bitch uygha, that’s the shit I don’t like (nah)
A snitch uygha, that’s the shit I don’t like (bang bang)

>>809665
your brain is meatspace

>>809798
Meatspace as in physically existing within our bodies

>>809711
>There’s plenty of female characters that aren’t drawn sexily that men appreciate

Name 10

>>809654
>feminists
<not conservatard CEOs
"muh feminists" is the "its da jews" of gaymer faggots

>>809806
More like your head is full of spam

>>809809
Sakura Haruno
Korra
Jean Grey
Ororo Munroe
Katara
Mrs. Marvel
>>809811
Just like how chuds/incels/gamers are the bogey man of radlib discourse

>>809819
>gamers are a boogeyman
>on discourse about a literal video game
are you mentally challenged perchance

>>809811
>not conservatard CEOs
Like fucking who???

>>809820
"Gamers" are libe "liberals" - those who self identify as one should be executed for the good of humanity