What's the material analysis of the Bonnie blue phenomenon and the claim we live under patriarchy? Are we merely to swallow our pride and fuck hoes shamelessly and get divorce raped and waste our time with dead end relationships?
>patriarchy
If leftists or liberals or feminists actually gave a shit about patriarchy they would be spending 90% of their energy working for political and social change in the Islamic countries.
>>810098 (cont.)
But they don't, ergo, they don't actually care about the patriarchy, nor can they can come up with any evidence why Western or liberal democracies in general are "patriarchal". Like try and come up with any definition of patriarchy that doesn't also apply to the so called "AES" countries.
All of this is bullshit, 90% of feminist theory is gobbledygook designed to benefit women at the expense of men, or designed to create a confused understanding of Marxism, or is just the plain neurotic babblings of deranged women.
uygha if you want to have a coversation on some topic actually attempt to formulate it, other people cant hear your brainworms.
>>810098there already are feminist movements in those countries. by your same logic, leftists should focus all their time on fighting for better labour rights on african countries, because theyre worse off than the rest of the world
>>810100youre basically like a rightoid who refuses to read about something and gets mad when he doesnt understand it. how are you any different from a flat earther?
>>810097>Are we merely to swallow our pride and fuck hoes shamelessly and get divorce raped and waste our time with dead end relationships?Ackshually this is a consequence of patriarchy itself. Contrary to popular belief, patriarch and masculinity are antithetical. Most men under patriarchy are oofy-doofy betabuxx providers who settle for any woman their parents bring them, that is if arranged marriage is an option. You're doomed to loneliness or worse, divorce rape and cuckoldry if you're a westoid. Some use "longhoused" as a pejorative to indicate how supposedly gynocentric society is, but in reality the average longhoused man was a tribal warrior chad who looked like picrel. Read Engels.
Women may be resentful towards patriarchy, but only for things that don't benefit them. In reality, most women would rather be abused housewives than shoulder the kind of responsibility the average matriarch had during the times when matrilineal gentes were the dominant system. It is the reason why middle-aged women (Karens) tend to be the most Hitlerite demographic and act as enforcers of patriarchy, except of course the parts that don't suit them.
women bad amirite
Guy who fucked like 80 hookers here. Fucking whores gets old and is ultimately unfulfilling. Investing in a person you actually like is better, I think. That’s what I’m working toward now. But the caveat is that you have to actually find a partner you can respect and trust. Most women are glorified children that refuse to take primary responsibility in their lives and are looking for a human insurance plan they can yell at. Tbh, fucking hookers was not as expensive as I thought when compared to dating modern women.
>>810100Second paragraph is particularly salient. Women abuse the hell out of leftist theories to get what they want, and men are too afraid to say anything because they feel they’ll be cut off from fucking.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)>>810098The fuck am u supposed to dobin Islamic countries? what stupid ass take.
>>810097Most of the red pill shit is really just about not engaging. Don't bother with relationships, they are there just to make things more complicated and stressful.
>>810135Frankly I've always heard more anti-relationship stuff from women. It was a meme phrase long before "redpill" and "MGTOW" even existed. "Strong independent woman don't need no man!" About how women are just slaves in relationships and only thing they get out of it is financial security, but if they have their own career there is nothing to be gotten from a man. Frankly I think it makes more sense as a man to go single considering you're always expected to be the provider and do all the work in dating and bear all the expenses. Well I guess it makes sense as a woman to not be in a relationship either because that just means you can date more paypigs at once.
So I think women get more out of relationships, but men have more to lose from not being in a relationship because the dating process is so demanding. Kinda fucked either direction.
>>810158On that note, I feel like MGTOW and redpill and whatever male communities centered around relationships and dating and all that or the "men's rights" movements have always existed simply as "loser" guys just trying to copy the language, behaviors, tactics, of feminists. Just look at reddit and go browse the R/all or whatever. That Girl Dinner Diary is by far the most popular relationship subreddit. It's the only one I see that makes it to the front page, and there will probably be multiple posts from it on the front page at any given moment. These male communities are small, insignificant, and copies of the feminist ones.,
>>810161>That Girl Dinner Diary is by far the most popular relationship subreddit. It's the only one I see that makes it to the front page, and there will probably be multiple posts from it on the front page at any given moment. These male communities are small, insignificant, and copies of the feminist ones.,isn't that just a copy of kitchencels?
>>810164They are both knock-offs of r/depressionmeals.
I mean it's fucking crazy dawg how people try to pretend that any male "anti-relationship" rhetoric is anything other than an insignificant, small, minority-reaction, or rather copying of the prevaling narrative pushed for women in all media spaces from corporate media on down. How many times have you heard this fucking song on the radio?
>That my best friend, she a real bad bitch
>Got her own money, she 'on't need no nig'
They turn it into an anthem that's promoted in all media. I actually never watched the video and the intro is more hilarious than I could've imagined.
>Man: I can't believe these disrespectful men out here, Just staring at y’all bodies Objectifying y'all. Listen, I’m Jamal I just want to let y'all know that You two, you're not just sexual beings.
<Doja: -Great, another fake "woke" misogynist Does he really think he's An ally to the feminist cause?
<Saweetie: Bitch please, that kind of crass virtue signaling is nothing but a less Overtly nefarious form of toxic masculinity -Ladies, hey, i see what y'all doing
<Doja: Cut it out It ain't nice -You don't want us, we freaks
>Man: Oh, y'all should have said something earlier i like me some freaks
<Saweetie: She's trying to tan right now, you in her way You know? You know what i'm saying?
>Man-Oh, …of the sun -You know,
<Doja: a little tanning session? All right -Bye baby -Bye
>>810169makes me wonder if the "don't need no man" rhetoric is women's way of killing the capacity for affection in their heads so they can more easily move between men when convenient for mooching off of them
>>810169>>810174it is ultimately depressing from the standpoint of women because it cements financial dependence not only acceptable terms for a relationship, but also introduces the idea as a real possibility for you, in case you slide into poverty, which chances are, many women will. also, because it is "embarrassing" then before the relationship even begins, there is an expectation that you will need to tolerate a certain amount of humiliation in it, perhaps on a temporary basis. it is also something you deserve for failing to make it under capitalism. so it is still commoditizing women but in a pernicious subtle way. i guess it also personally reflects the ideology of the poor few women who climb their way out of the mud pit. literally fucked their way to being rich.
>>810173>>810174So it seems, so it seems.
I'm 40 now………………..things don't get better, but I do accept what things are more. An uncomplicated life free of humiliation rituals is not so bad.
>>810173Yes that very much. It's about reinforcing unnatural mindsets, that go against "human nature" and natural human behaviors, like "pair-bonding," not even just a human behavior, other animals do it too. There is a lot of popular discourse about how to not "catch feelings." Basically how to commodify relationships or whatever you want to say. How to turn it into a business. That's what all capitalism about, how to remove emotions from business decisions. If you get into investing discourse, more than they talk about numbers or strategies or whatever it's about "trading psychology" and how to remove emotions from trading.
But I think on a larger scale it's more about the whole feminist "patriarchy" narrative. The narrative stands on the belief that all of male-female relationships in human history have been based on male-dominance and enslavement of women. No relationships have ever existed where the woman was dominant or the man and woman had an equitable relationship. Therefore a relationship itself is by definition a form of defeat for a woman. Therefore a hooker is more liberated than the wife, because she is not attached or "dependent" on any single man.
>>810192>so it is still commoditizing women but in a pernicious subtle way. It's not a "still" it's turning the commodification into the goal. Then the only question is how successful you are at commodification. How many paypigs do you have on onlyfans? How many followers on instagram? How much money do you make with giving the least is the measure of a successful business enterprise. A model who doesn't post nudes is above the softcore pornstar, is above the hardcore pornstar etc.
>>810097What's really strange is how this pornstar who has sex with hundreds of people at a time is also a right winger who promotes the politics of a fascist party and nobody, not least the fascists, are actually bothered by this.
>>810215>rightoids are hypocrits and bigotsmore news at 11
>>810219Its not that the hypocrisy that's an issue. We live in a world where its strangely normal to be a provocative outrageous pornstar and a fascist and nobody thinks thats weird.
>>810224hypernormalization is a wild ride, i agree.
>>810169in a nutshell, this sort of rhetoric exists because porky sees that an increasing number of men are dropping out of society; they're not graduating college at the same rates as women, and are increasingly unemployed. meanwhile women continue to do both of these things, and porky knows that he needs to adapt his propaganda for the primary base of lumpenproles in order to keep that capitalism wheel a'spinnin'. so basically, the rhetoric is insidiously using feminism to brainwash a new generation of working class women into thinking that they're beating patriarchy (and therefore oppression) by usurping men as the breadwinner (and maintaining the structure of capitalism in the process).
in the workplace, women are much less temperamental than men, who have the tendency to push back against and question authority, so porky sees women as more easily exploitable and manipulable than their male counterparts, and uses this sort of "bad bitch" sentiment to appeal to the college educated working class single woman to boost their morale with masturbatory self-aggrandizement. it's really no different from the whole "rockstars work here" propaganda that was propped up at production plants and warehouses, in "essential worker" industries during covid.
never forget that porky is okay with the existence of revolution and anti-capitalist theory, as long as he can utilize those things to turn a profit. he'll gladly sell you tickets to the "rock against bush" tour where you can go and listen to rage against the machine and all your favorite left-leaning punk bands say "fuck the system" because, aside from turning him a massive profit, it exists as a pressure release valve for you more "adventureist" types who might go shoot up a CEO; if you expend your revolutionary energy in the mosh pit at a concert, or expend it by saying "fuck porky" on some anonymous imageboard, then you are not utilizing that energy for anything materially effective that could constitute an actual threat to porky and his empire.
>>810277It really goes beyond porky, it's just that feminism just means women women winning more which only means achieving higher status men in their marriages. Women aren't going to abandon "dating up" they are only going to raise the bar. You must make more than them and then do a lot of extra work for them.
>>810278But we are at THE turning point where women believe they were absolutely lied to. I've heard some older than me woman talk about on NPR about how they felt lied to about how they could just IVF sine children into existence.
>>810277The “dropping out” rates of men are exaggerated or unexplained
Also, women are graduating college but not in a lot of diverse fields. They’re still going for nursing or STEM. Fewer are going into more technical types of work.
Also, women are just as temperamental as men, but they’re sympathized for it more.
>>810126>Most women are glorified children that refuse to take primary responsibility in their lives and are looking for a human insurance plan they can yell at.Except children aren’t even allowed one tenth the privilege than women get.
Children get beaten and abandoned for nuances and quirks. And they’re less sympathized
Theres men that will not hit women for going into Karen mode but if a child says a cuss word they get their asses beaten.
>>810158This. I always hear more women saying that men are (insert any slur here) and that relationships are traps for women.
>>810158Being single is the only solution that both parties refuse to acknowledge
>>810279That’s because the whole “women are the future” was a lie in the first place.
Yes, men are less sympathized but that doesn’t mean women are outdoing men in prosperity
People often only look at the young pretty women who have college degrees and are already yuppies or own their own quaint cafe
They don’t look at the average women who is still stuck in customer service jobs with crushing debt
>>810298Nobody here wants to talk about working class women cause that might make them confront the fact that the same forces fucking their lives up are fucking up the lives of people who they also blame for some of their problems. Working class women never come up in these discussions though, even outside of here.
>>810309There's the retard on /LGBT/ who says transgender femalehood is just cishet males looking for relevancy. He claims that prostitution on average outearns white collar male workers.
I keep telling him those kind of whores are a minority but he keeps brushing me off as bluepilled and brings up his manosphere talking points.
>>810098The OP in
>>810280 just cares about patriarchy as a means to criminalize men.
>>810108The only correct take on here.
I especially love that you differentiate masculinity from its machismo parodies.
Also yes, women are shadow reactionaries.
>>810161MGTOW has been hijacked by redpill.
Mens rights discussion used to do about actual problems that men that are dismissed such as conscription and homelessness.
Now it's about sexual/romantic prospects
>>810192Yet alot of prime age women are still seeking that kind.of glamor life of a girlboss.
Some think they can earn more money doing webcam shows than they would working retail.
Also the excessive AI hatred is mainly from women (and weak men who obey them) who are afraid of their meaningless adult daycare jobs getting automated.
>>810327I'm aware of that poster actually, I don't engage them but I'm mostly here to lurk and shitpost.
>>810346Wrong.
AI hatred is just driven by technophobic hype. Nothing but all virtue signaling to cope with no longer being the media darlings
>>810349Im confused, who are the media darlings you're refering to ?
>>810346>>810349They're ruining communities water supplies, using it to track people's activity and keeping it away from the fields where it could actually make a positive contribution to society. spoiled pussies love it, it's real people with real problems that hate AI the most. You're both ignorant and talking out of your asses.
>>810351> They're ruining communities water suppliesData centers in general do this, not just AI data centers. You regards are just too unintelligent to use it efficiently
>>810351>tracking peoples activities We already have this prior to AI
>spoiled pussies love it, it's real people with real problems that hate AI the mostYou sure? The biggest whiners about AI are usually well-off people who make or consume content that think AI is “ruining art”.
>>810379>You sure? The biggest whiners about AI are usually well-off people who make or consume content that think AI is “ruining art”.I don't know any of those people, I know people with kids that have health problems who can't access clean drinking water. Get offline a little.
>We already have this prior to AINo shit, now you can get a speeding ticket in a county you've never been to.
You're just being contrarian, you know damn good and well who's in charge of this tech and what they plan on doing with it.
>>810397>No shit, now you can get a speeding ticket in a county you've never been to.>You're just being contrarian, you know damn good and well who's in charge of this tech and what they plan on doing with it.Are you ok anon?
Can you provide evidence of this happening?
>>810336>MGTOW has been hijacked by redpill.>Mens rights discussion used to do about actual problems that men that are dismissed such as conscription and homelessness.Has it tho? I remember it always as being the non incel portion of the incel community. It was like full of all the divorced dads.
>>810298>People often only look at the young pretty women who have college degrees and are already yuppies or own their own quaint cafeIf we are speaking about "feminists" that is who they are. They don't teach "womens studies" in k-12.
>>810401>If we are speaking about "feminists" that is who they are.You've never met a woman who works for a living, or if you did, you paid her no attention.
>>810399>Can you provide evidence of this happening?https://abcnews.com/GMA/News/man-sues-law-enforcement-alleging-ai-facial-recognition/story?id=133810835Should've just posted a search engine, lazy ass.
>>810403>You've never met a woman who works for a living, or if you did, you paid her no attention.What are you saying that based on?
>>810404Based on the assumption that none of them are feminists, which is an outrageously out of touch idea.
>>810401True, but they are pushing misandrist sentiments in K-12
>>810407>Based on the assumption that none of them are feminists, which is an outrageously out of touch idea.Nahh.
>>810409Yeah that's true, they push it all over tik tok, but that's like saying that there are tik tok Marxists and so forth. It's at the same level.
>>810410Well I only know working women, and they're almost all either feminists or at least sympathetic to feminism. Who the fuck do you know struggling that doesn't want their life to improve?
>>810409>they are pushing misandrist sentiments in K-12delusional
Speaking of your obsession with youth. That's another good point, a lot of women grow out of this bullshit overtime.
There are no atheists in foxholes and feminists over 40.
Why haven't you said "ghettofab" yet?
>>810415Not exactly true. Most women don’t start young in their misandrist type of feminism.
They tend to get that way by their thirties
>>810414They are. A lot of teachings about how boys are inferior to girls by using biological comparisons
>>810417Wrong
>>810427>A lot of teachings about how boys are inferior to girls by using biological comparisonsShow me.
>>810411No. I’m taking about they were pushing misandrist sentiments in schools before TikTok
>>810428Like how girls live longer or how girls biologically mature earlier (only by two years) or how “everyone in the womb is born female”(not true)
Or how even boys are more susceptible to hereditary disorder
>>810400What you’re mentioning is what I’m talking about. Mens rights are reduced to “disadvantages for sexual/romantic prospects for men”
>>810433Men's rights was about the custody/alimony/visitation rights/ blahh blahh that divorced men face.
>810432
>how girls live longer
They do.
>girls biologically mature earlier
No one is teaching that, though it is common to assume they mature emotionally quicker, which isn't even a thing I believe can be quantified on a general scale. show me where that is being specifically pushed in education though.
>or how “everyone in the womb is born female
No one is teaching that, nor would that be misandrist if they were, it's just a weird take on fetal development.
>Or how even boys are more susceptible to hereditary disorder
This is commonly accepted, I don't have the knowledge to confirm or deny it and I doubt you do either, but schools will generally teach the consensus on these matters.
>>810438>No one is teaching that, though it is common to assume they mature emotionally quicker, which isn't even a thing I believe can be quantified on a general scale. show me where that is being specifically pushed in education though.They don’t. It’s just that because of their gender they’re more sympathized for faux pas
If boys did the same things they’d be pathologized
Girls get lesser punishment in schools for misbehaving compared to boys for the same offense.
Also see how female students are given more praise for achievement than males for the same thing. This is especially if the girl win question is a slim slender high pitched voice kind of girl
>They doThat’s due to not being expected to do dangerous activities though. Not having to do martial activities or heavy labor. But they never mention this.
Even now, girls always the first to be spared in dangerous situations while preaching about how girls are better than boys.
>No one is teaching that, nor would that be misandrist if they were, it's just a weird take on fetal development.Maybe not in schools but it’s a common misconception that’s pushed in media to promote this sort of divination of womanhood.
Kinda like Mother Earth goddess thing
They love to talk about the “missing Y chromosome” of their first human ancestor.
>This is commonly accepted, I don't have the knowledge to confirm or deny it and I doubt you do either, but schools will generally teach the consensus on these mattersThey teach it in a tone where it’s “girls, please screen boys of their genetic worthiness”. They would never do this if gender roles where reversed. And they do this while criticizing ableism.
I remember one teacher talking about brain development he said “ladies please be careful about marrying a man before age 25”. But he never said the same to boys about marrying a woman that’s not 25.
Misandry is preached in academia as undertones. female flaws is always rationalized or sympathized immediately.
A lot of women think that male students disagreeing with them on anything is “misogyny”.
>>810411>>810438Hot take: public schools enforce stereotypes about gender, race, and age far more than pop culture
I see it in how teachers talk down to students in a manner like they’re pet dogs.
Like seriously, idk what happened after the 1980s but teachers treat middle/high schools like they’re pet animals. It’s been a thing since the 2000s.
Students who express dissatisfaction with only ONE radlib platitude is automatically considered a chauvinist.
Students who consume more mature entertainment are considered “at risk”. And I don’t mean World Star Hip Hop either.
>>810454And let’s not forget the obnoxious aspirational platitudes.
A lot of our teachers feel that merely teaching their subjects isn’t enough
They want to force group activities on them for “building team spirit”
>>810454And they lecture you non-stop about how every woman is in danger of being raped beaten and murdered by men 24/7 and if you are too protective of women, that's also a heckin misogyny. The only solution at a certain point is just not engaging with women.
>>810460Actually I remember this girl in high school who told me she got raped and told me who and I was really distraught about it and tried to tell her to call a rape hotline, she wouldn't, I offered to beat up the guy, she didn't want that, I talked to another female friend anonymously and her response was "why are you so upset about this? Do you have a sister?" I talked to some of my male friends who are even bigger white knights than me and I remember one said "rape is worse than murder." and I was like, I don't know about that chief. I let women figure out women business. That's what I've learned.
>>810460The real cause of dumbing down isn’t electronics nor pop culture. It’s this radlib hysteria
In fact there’s interesting analogies between radlib philosophy and religiopolitical conservatives
In fact, a lot of radlib hysteria originated from the same spaces as Puritanism: upper middle class neighborhoods from the North east and Midwest
>>810461>>810460This is why I’m semi-reluctantly sympathetic towards homeschooling.
Tbh, I think for religious communities, homeschooling would be better than public schooling because at least the toxicity is limited to home
In the ghettos, attending school is riskier than playing hooky
>>810461I bet that girl was raped by a male relative or family acquaintance.
This is why I say innocence becomes very dangerous after a certain age
>>810466Nahh, the guy she accused was a dweeb ass nerd who wasn't actually in our school but in an early college entrance program, got in for getting good scores on an autism score test. I knew who he was because he was the brother of one of the guys at our school. Her story was she was hanging out and getting too drunk and then this guy graped her while she was semi-incapacitated. Remember this what they canceled Platner for saying that it's not a good idea for women to get blackout drunk around strange men. Anyways, like I said, I don't comment on or get involved with no women business (besides anonymously like on here) except for my blood relations. Let the ladies figure it out.
>>810468So hetfoids all target the virgins but not the chads as an attempt to stir up social anti-intellectualism and strengthen the Survival of the Chads & Stacies
>>810472I don't know about that, I don't feel she had any reason to lie to me, but I have no evidence to confirm her accusation either. She had no reason to tell me that and as I said she wanted me to engage with it no further. Just accept it and whatever, be the keeper of her secret. At the same time, I feel like there was way too much of this "preaching to the choir" business where the only men who give a fuck about all this women sourced derision against men are the very men who would never do such a thing. Women don't respect men for being incapable of rape assault spousal abuse, yadda yadda, they seek it out. This fits in with all the incel rhetoric, it's not the steroid pumping loose-cannon men who are "incels."
>>810481I love women and thus always defer to them. Sonce you are a woman, tell me what I must do.
>>810483Stick a finger up your ass
>>810486Why? I am getting the impression you are not a cisfemale but cismale.
>>810474So she brought that on herself.
Typical.
Women always set themselves up in those situations and demand coddling.
Not that the guy wasnt in the wrong either.
>>810477I have a feeling that alot of those women accusing Diddy, Trump,and Cosby werent all innocent.
Especially Trump. These women are often petty bourg or lumpen bourg and they were involved in the same social circles or crossed paths alot with the perpetrator.
The woman who accused Mike Tyson of rape wanted her fifteen minutes of fame.
Same for Tupacs accuser. Even though in Tupacs case, he was innocent and was sent to jail any way.
>>810487Uh huh. Now you're disagreeing because don't like the command
>>810451>They don’t. It’s just that because of their gender they’re more sympathized for faux pas>If boys did the same things they’d be pathologized>Girls get lesser punishment in schools for misbehaving compared to boys for the same offense.Prove that, cause my school experience was the opposite. "boys will be boys"
>That’s due to not being expected to do dangerous activities though. Not having to do martial activities or heavy labor. But they never mention this.This is one suspected but not accepted reason, there's no consensus on what the cause is as this trend holds up across all types of societies and cultural groups.
>Maybe not in schools but it’s a common misconception that’s pushed in media to promote this sort of divination of womanhood.>Kinda like Mother Earth goddess thing>They love to talk about the “missing Y chromosome” of their first human ancestor. We're talking about narratives pushed in school.
>Misandry is preached in academia as undertones. And misogyny is preached in academia as overtones.
You just wanna be a victim so bad, refer to my previous post. The same forces that make your life harder are doing the same to women, cut it out with this oppression Olympics bullshit.
>>810487Stick it in and wiggle it around
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