The correct take on Israel is that Israel is an illegitimate white nationalist ethnostate and that all of the land should be given to the Palestinians. That being said, antisemitism and ethnic hatred against jews should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
Does this also apply to USA, Canada, Australia, Argentina and Chile? Should the white people in those countries have their land taken away as well?
>>811059Sure, I wouldn't mind having to live in the UK
So true. The poor oppressed Itamar Ben Gvir is a PoC.
>The correct take on Israel is that Israel is an illegitimate white nationalist ethnostate
They are not white.
>and that all of the land should be given to the Palestinians.
Two state solution.
>That being said, antisemitism and ethnic hatred against jews should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
Correct
>>811057Anti-semitism is usually defined as an irrational hatred of Jews. If Palestinians are being genocided by Jews that control an entity that brands itself as the only "Jewish state" in the world, then is their hatred of Jews really irrational? You wouldn’t be saying this about a black person who harbors an ethnic hatred towards whites over the transatlantic slave trade.
>>811073>You wouldn’t be saying this about a black person who harbors an ethnic hatred towards whites over the transatlantic slave tradeYes we would, it would still be stupid.
>The correct take on Israel is that Israel is an illegitimate white nationalist ethnostate
Average Israeli is brown and they do not think of themselves as "white" anyway.
>all of the land should be given to the Palestinians
Not realistic and the goal isnt to do blood and soil for Palestinian anyway, but to stop the appartheid and massacres against them. Does even Hamas want to reemigrate all the jews?
>That being said, antisemitism and ethnic hatred against jews should not be tolerated under any circumstances.
Some degree of ethnic hatred against jew for the anti-zionist project is inevitable much like ethnic hatred against various European colonist and their jewish/indian/colored overseer was inevitable in decolonial struggle. Even Norm Finkielstein said this.
>>811057>white nationalistBlack hands wrote this post. Why do Black Americans want to make everything about themselves? This is demonstrably false. Zionism is very strong even among non-white Ethiopian and Mizrahi Jews. Don't try to make them look innocent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbC75q_6ZmsI'll admit I made the same mistake and thus not innocent from it. But he is right in pointing out that the root issue in occupied Palestine isn't one of civil rights, as that's downstream from the main problem of land dispossession and control by Jewish settlers.
Doing away with apartheid wouldn't solve that issue as shown in 🇿🇦 where, despite the black majority having civil rights, most of the land and wealth is still at the hands of the apartheid-era white minority, with little to no prospect for the redistribution of land and economic assets.
For those of us who care about Palestinians, we shouldn't focus on civil rights as the apartheid framework implies, but rather on Palestinians having the right to get their land back, even if it means angering liberal zionists who want to distract you from the issue of genocide and dispossession.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daqIIKnxbXIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqZEyUwuRc >white nationalist ethnostate
>Israel
>white nationalist ethnostate
This is the first time I've seen this level of chutzpah.
>>811077Why would a black person defend Jews and blame white people for their atrocities? Even Hindus don't do that.
>>811077True. Israel is both a theocratic state as well as a liberal-Euro-style settler colonial state. Both aren’t mutually exclusive, especially since many Zionist arguments rely heavily on the historically inaccurate Old Testament.
There’s also the fact that Israel is Jewish supremacist first and foremost since:
- Most of the Israeli population is made up of mizrahis and Beta Israel, both of whom outnumber Ashkenazis.
- Israel runs an exclusionary poly against Soviet Jews for questionable claims of Jewish ancestry, and yet will welcome with open arms lazy Mizrahi bums.
Basically, it’s both anti-white and Jewish supremacist, something that good goyim like captive_dreamer will never mention LOL
But I think the whole notion that Israel is white this and that is less because of black activists, and more because philosemitic political correctness makes it difficult for leftists to critique Jewish supremacy even from a secular egalitarian perspective, so they resort to these cheap talking points about Israel being le white nationalist state or whatev
>>811076Idk man because, with the way things are, a two-state solution (2ss) seems unviable. And let’s be honest here, even if Israel did give civil rights to Palestinians, the end result would be a MENA version of South Africa as opposed to what people think of when it comes to a 2ss.
I fear that by the end of the genocide and war, the outcome will either be a Nakba 2.0, or a flight-from-Algiers-style expulsion but with Jewish settlers instead of the pied-noires.
Is there any reason to think otherwise?
It will likely be given back but through material conditions such as the US/Europe cutting off support due to worsening economic downturns. Oct 7th was a blessing in disguise for them since they were on the verge of civil conflict and it rallied Israelis together into continuing expansion and genocide under the guide of self defense. But I don't see them coming out of the current Iran war so easy, especially where you can see that the wealthy Israelis have already fled and set up enclaves around world(except for already existing ones). Which means expect them to be more annoying on a massive scale adjacent to rhodies/afikaners as Israel is slowly balkanized or annexed.
>>811089Maybe you are right, i feel a SA scenario will be more likely. Aside from the slavic larpers i don't see most jew leaving the place, much like Afrikaners they actually have a strong emotional connection to the land, it's not just about extracting ressources or having preferential treatment. When the avg jew/Israeli tell you they're doing decolonisation and freeing themselves from ancient roman tyrany blablabla they actually believe that bullshit it's not chutzpah, hence their evident desperation and histrionics as the walls are closing in.
It's not the same situation but many (moronic) Christian lebanese fled the country in the face of civil war and jewish/muslim violence but they are still there in big enough numbers to matter.
>>811075>Yes we wouldNo you wouldn’t. People, including liberals and leftists, rationalize black ethnic hatred towards whites all the time. All of a sudden when it’s why Arabs hate Jews we have to pump the brakes because of some vague ideal about "anti-semitism?" Faggot.
>>811316>No you wouldn’tNTA but yes we fucking would, what possibly gave you an idea that any leftist would be ok with unironic racism?
>>811317Being OK with racism and acknowledging that racial hatred is derived from material conditions are two completely different things. I’m arguing the latter because that’s the materialist position.
Telling Palestinians they shouldn’t hate Jews as the Jewish state genocides them because anti-semitism equals bad is antithetical to the Palestinians’ material reality. It’s liberal idealist nonsense.
Norman Finkelstein articulated this point quite well in his recent interview with Hasan Piker.
>>811084Hindus do exactly that all the time.
I like the EU’s century old plan of forcing Palestine and Israel into a federation, with the goal of ultimately making them a multi-ethnic functional state
>>811057The real correct position is to reject the existance of "Israel" not because of some ethno-nationalist spookery about "The Land" that's become popular among leftoids but because an aggressive militarist regime built on ethnic/racial discrimination is incompatible with peace in the MENA region and can only end in its own bloody self-destruction.
>>811061>Sure, I wouldn't mind having to live in the UKI'd slit my own throat before I'd ever live in Pedo TERF Island.
>antisemitism and ethnic hatred against jews should not be tolerated under any circumstances
have you read what their holy book says about non-Jews? are we to believe there is some imaginary "perfect" Jew, an Ideal Jew, rather than the Actual Jew that exists in the real world? that the Jew is not genocidal despite 90% of Jews supporting the Genocidal Entity? why are we to engage in face saving gestures for these people?
Is anyone aware of the fact that Jewish colonialism was supported by leftists originally?
>>811629whoa…. I never heard that before. Am Yisrael Chai!!!
>>811059im from CHILE and im CELIBATE
I DESERVE to be a colonialist
>>811629Leftists can be retarded, it happen
>>811642wow me too. i'm going to become a chinlet now.
>illegitimate
Lib
>>811825Which is unusual confession for this board. They always wanna see themselves as always being correct.
>>811629>Jewish colonialism was supported by leftists originallyNot really. The British, Soviets, and even the Nazis and some Arab regimes supported Zionism in its nascent years at different points in history.
>>811963yeah they're a multiracial fascist state. Like Starship Troopers.
Holy shit americans are genuinely brain dead and cannot comprehend how race/ethnicity works outside of america israel is a jewish supremacist settler colony it is not white nationalist in any way other than maybe ashkenazi jews tending to be richer and more influential
>>811059White Americans can't "return" to Europe anymore than Jews can "return" to Palestine. The African in France or the Turk in Germany that has spent all their lives in that country is more European than someone whose ancestors left Europe on a sailing ship 200 years ago and whose descendants don't even speak the language or understand the culture.
>>811076>Average Israeli is brown and they do not think of themselves as "white" anyway.The average leftoid nowadays is more likely to have read Settlers than anything by Marx or Lenin, so they have to ignorantly slot everything into US-style racial politics.
>>811086>But I think the whole notion that Israel is white this and that is less because of black activists, and more because philosemitic political correctness makes it difficult for leftists to critique Jewish supremacy even from a secular egalitarian perspective, so they resort to these cheap talking points about Israel being le white nationalist state or whatevI think that's part of it. It's very American as well. It's American-style "political correctness" plus a projection of the American experience. Most of the Jewish population in the U.S. also codes as white in the U.S. context, being largely Ashkenazi Jews whose ancestors migrated to the U.S. in the late 19th century and early 20th century from the Russian Empire.
Israeli Jews are more of a mix of European Jews and Middle Eastern Jews, and a minority of Ethiopian Jews. The single largest source of Jewish immigrants there is techincally the Soviet Union. A lot of people whose families came from Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Morocco, etc.
>>814584>racial politicsFake leftists just want to insert idpol in everything to try to look like some fairy prince
>>814608thought that was sneako
>>811057Moralism. Either Israel can defend its land claims by force of arms or it can't.
Yes goy, the white man made us commit 3000 years of crimes against humanity
>>814649Israel hasn’t been defending themselves from anything, they started the war with the nakba and have been deliberately provoking them for years. How does using white phosphorus on noncombatants defend themselves?
>>811057Fuck off, Pedostan is literally jewish supremacist to the letter
Ethiopian Epsteinites get free housing stolen from Palestinians
>>814933You genocide the enemy and take their land, duh. Didn't they teach you about this in school? I grew up in a red state and they taught us about the trail of tears.
I'm confused about how Israel's racial hierarchy works. Do Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews not face discrimination? What about Beta Israel? Do they seriously accept literal Africans as "Jews" just because of their religious affiliation? What if a Palestinian converted to Judaism? What about Jews who have already been in Palestine for centuries?
I'm assuming now more than ever that Jewish identity is the most important factor independent of ethnicity or country of origin, but the whole "ethnic Europeans genociding indigenous brown people" idea doesn't really hold up anymore now that Israelis themselves are getting browner and browner through intermarriage.
>>815087>Do Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews not face discrimination? not really anymore because the population is too mixed at this point.
>Beta Israellike black people in the US,they get discriminated in education and employment
>Do they seriously accept literal Africans as "Jews" just because of their religious affiliation?depends,there are the "race realists" who are like "you're too genetically different because of marrying with africans who were not jews" and the liberal zionists who are kumbaya we're all jews under one god.
>What if a Palestinian converted to Judaism?People on this site refuse to hear it,but they would not be considered jews,not just because of tachya accusations,but because they're not ethnically jews and can't refer to one of their ancestors to justify getting in,and you NEED that to get citizenship (it's just quite "generous",around 8 generations above you)
>What about Jews who have already been in Palestine for centuries?already dealt with that back in the palestine mandate days,they were moved to the jewish side,and most of them lived in Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter in the first place back in the day.
>Israelis themselves are getting browner and browner through intermarriageTrue,some Israëlis do say that since 5 years at least
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