/siberia/ - Off-topic

>>812160
Dangerously based

He is a reactionary

>>812160
This isnt a real quote this is an excerpt from a character in a book

>>812178
Yes thank you for proving my point

>>812186
its based on real conversations he had with this historical figure dumbass.

>>812215
It's also pretty much in line with what we know Indigenous Americans thought about Europeans. Even the poetic language probably isn't much of an exaggeration. Indigenous leaders were famous for their oratory and rhetoric, since the lack of writing meant that all public business had to be conducted orally. Dignitaries from the Six Nations would recite their constitution from memory at every meeting of their chiefs.

>>812276
>Indigenous leaders were famous for their oratory and rhetoric
There are a bunch of texts of jesuit missionaries complaining that they were too good at being a debatelord and it was hard to convert them lmao

>>812160
Very based quote. I think often about the words of Hatuey.

>In 1511, Diego Velázquez set out from Hispaniola to what is now known as present-day Guantánamo Province in easternmost Cuba to conquer and subjugate the local Indigenous population, who had previously been recorded there by Christopher Columbus. Velázquez was preceded, however, by Hatuey, who fled Hispaniola with a party of four hundred in canoes and warned some of the Indigenous people of eastern Cuba about what to expect from the Spaniards.[4]

<Bartolomé de Las Casas later attributed the following speech to Hatuey which was addressed against Christianity. He showed the Taíno of Caobana a basket of gold and jewels, saying:

>They have a God whom they worship and adore, and it is in order to get that God from us so that they can worship Him that they conquer us and kill us … Here is the God of the Christians. If you agree, we will do areitos (which is their word for certain kinds of traditional dance) in honour of this God and it may be that we shall please Him and He will order the Christians to leave us unharmed.[5]

<The Taíno chiefs in Cuba did not respond to Hatuey's message, and few joined him to fight. Hatuey resorted to guerrilla tactics against the Spaniards, and was able to confine them for a time. He and his fighters were able to kill at least eight Spanish soldiers. Eventually, using mastiff dogs and torturing the Indigenous for information, the Spaniards succeeded in capturing him. On 2 February 1512, he was tied to a stake and burned alive at Yara, near the present-day city of Bayamo.[6]

<Before he was burned, a priest asked Hatuey if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. Las Casas recalled the reaction of the chief:

>[Hatuey], thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes… The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people. This is the name and honour that God and our faith have earned.[7][8]

Bartolomé de Las Casas is a very interesting figure too.

>>812215
Yes im sure there were conversations about european society but this exhange word for word literally ever happened.
It's just a literary device in a book