>why do you make commodities? we dont do that in left-communism
>why arent you racist like us left-communists?
>why dont you make edits of ᴉuᴉlossnW like we do in left-communism?
>Me if I lobotomized myself with MuskOS, posting it online, thinking it's comprehensible, relatable
pussy sex and whatnot
excellent post
>>812554
>brings up BIBISI for no reason
something something mutt's law o algo
>>812561You are not human.
What even is left communism? Does it even have a point or a reason to exist?
>>812631>Does it even have a point or a reason to exist?to remind people that socialism is not when the goverment does things
>>812631it was a real thing on here 10 years ago when leftcoms read books. but today some shartyfags realized larping as leftcoms was the most efficient way of wrecking havoc on the board
>>812639>but today some shartyfags realized larping as leftcoms was the most efficient way of wrecking havoc on the boardpeople keep saying this but I have never seen any evidence, I think is just MLib cope
>noooo you must support my nation and religion and wage labor and value form forever
Aren't "anti-authoritarian" leftcoms a wrong larp?
They're supposed to be more leninist than lenin
>>812647Yes, but a lot of them end up being cannon-fodder for liberalism because of their obsession with ML-states.
>>812645????
Explain this. Why the hate for ML compared to other forms of leftism?
Most other forms of leftism seem to be more capitalist/lib-sympathetic. Those seems more like reparations for willful losers
>>812487What’s with these strawmen?
>>812677i actually lean more leftKKKom than i do ML i js thought this was funny
"Leftcom" makes about as much sense descriptively as "socialist".
It's a borderline meaningless term when it encompasses people more anti-organizational than anarchists as well as COMINTERN-Marxists more party-programmatically communist than most Stalinists and Trots.
I think it's better to use "anarcho-councilist" (dutch-german, 20s-40s, Situationists) and "internationalist communist" (ICP) and "who?" for the irrelevant rest (ICC - schizo ICT rejects | ICT - failed the historic test of applying material analysis to new conditions because they wanted excitement and activism and have defined themselves by this, getting used and abused by trots and anarchists | communization theory - philosophy blogging).
I find it pretty clear that Bordiga has been vindicated. Unfortunately online "leftcoms" and /r/"ultraleft" doesn't exactly help make the case for this very obvious because they pander to this noisy, largely irrelevant mass in addition and so a lot of obfuscation is going on that is very counter-productive if we aren't 12 years old and experience exploitation and the world at large with adult responsibilities.
>>812745>irrelevant theorist X whp failed to gain power has been vindicated!!!This is the essence of left communism and what unites all of them, from anarchists to bordigists to maoists
>>812752>to maoistsDidn't Mao have a succesful revolution in a country currently raping the U.S and ending imperialism?
>>812676>Explain this. Why the hate for ML compared to other forms of leftism?The only forms of leftism that get shit on are the ones that actually get stuff done in the real world. It's the reason MLs are hated and the reason they put Trotskyst literature in the same schools that teach you Stalin was evil.
>anything that actually works and ergo threatens capital: evil, authoritarian, state capitalism, revisionist>anything that doesn't work and even shields the status quo: true leftism, good, pure, democratic >>812753Maoists follow Gonzalo, not Mao
>>812487>racist like us left-communistssoulless /r/Ultraleft German guys on with manbun hair: "Russians are orcs!"
>>812631the infantile tendency of smug individualist armchair lecturers who don't engage in materialist struggle as a class…that's an ultra
>>812645>>812654Comics and memes which completely lack historical materialism, this is the praxis of a left-communist who could only ever attain victory by tweeting
>>812754>>812752>>812753The ruling classes "ML/Dengist" countries aren't ending imperialism or capitalism(both interlinked in the current state of capitalism). They are actively working for its preservation just like are capitalist countries.
>>812778Socialism has always been the managed dissolution of the current system + midwifing of the new.
Capitalism is global and already present everywhere and thinking that you can "de-link" from it is metaphysical thinking.
Unless your argument is for DPRK style siege communism, which, hey, I'm all in for, just not sure how that would work without a corresponding "developmentalist" china.
>>812786>Capitalism is global and already present everywhere and thinking that you can "de-link" from it is metaphysical thinking.Motherfucker "delinking" is your own fucking theory (it comes from Simin Amin, a typical "pragmatic" ML/Dengist ThirdWorldist asshole) you eclecticist fucking religion brained Believer.
>Unless your argument is for DPRK style siege communism, which, hey, I'm all in forAre you sure? You seem unsure. Maybe tomorrow you will and loop back to your first argument if when the weather changes. CGTN (your God) is all vibes tho so it tracks in context.
>>812797>Random guyIlliterate. Moron. 5 years library.
>>812793Samir amin is a retarded crypto-maoist, I'm strictly ML-MZT-DXT-SWCC
>>812806>ML-MZT-DXT-SWCC"Liberal" would do.
MLs really have been America's greatest soldiers, or as
Lend-Lease put it:
Promote the Defense of the United States.
Found any more corners of the earth to generalize commodity production within? Kill and imprison more proletarian revolutionaries just in case, cuck.
>>812830Who knows, coward, maybe you're doing it for free. Ideology also works like that after all.
Go undercover working in some Chinese-owned Congolese mines for a while, see if your Congolese coworkers feel more free.
>>812840If your moral sensibilities don't agree with how socialist construction looks just admit that to yourself and become an anarchist. No need to larp as the true Scotsman.
>>812849The entire works of Xi Jinping is literally just moralism, ethics, humanism.
>Communism? Moralism… *Grabs cape and fedora*You're so drunk on aesthetics my dude you don't even know up from down.
>>812678Vanguard parties will always eventually breed a new de facto bourgeoise of party bureaucrats.
At the same time, anarchist, syndicalist, and leftcom cucks don’t realize that they must resort to centralization if they ever want to get things done (they don’t, which is these are terminally online ideologies), but centralization will materially incentivize the creation of a new de facto bourgeoise.
>muh union<who gets to head the union?>muh elections<who oversees the elections?>muh armed proletariat<who arms the proletariat? >>812924>political economy? Economic classes? Nah bourgeoisie are the product of superstructure, you can just conjure them up through political will, independent of economic baseWhy did marx bother with all that linen shit, he should have been a left hegelian smh
You can believe in the purely political theory of class if you want, but why pretend to be a marxist at that point?
>>812926Superstructures are conjured out of material conditions, not idealist "political will" so IDK why you’re ascribing something I never said to me.
The material conditions the superstructure faces are not exclusively influenced by the economic base, and if you think so then you’re just a retarded vulgar Marxist. A vanguard party effectively owns the means of production through the state’s central planning; it allocates labor and production, and extracts surplus value. How is that not a new bourgeoise with extra steps?
>>812645material conditions
>>812967successful leftcom revolutions:
>>812957Which material conditions?
>>812934Take it up with marx.
Again, you can be a proudhonist, anarchist, lassalean, social democrat by all means, but why pretend to be a marxist and ascribe to marx a petty bourgeois libertarianism he never espoused?
>>813059>Take it up with marx.Appeal to authority. Marxism is a method of analysis, not a dogma. Treating everything Marx has ever written as gospel is retarded. I’m applying Marx’s historical materialism to the vanguard state and you have no response other than hand waving. Why is that?
>Again, you can be a proudhonist, anarchist, lassalean, social democrat by all means, but why pretend to be a marxist and ascribe to marx a petty bourgeois libertarianism he never espoused?Strawman.
>>813099You're welcome to write your own socioeconomic theory
>>813127This but unironically
Leftoids be like, "let's have capitalism but one company owns everything" and wonder why the working class doesn't give a shit about them.
It's not an accident that social democracy continues to remain the most popular and successful leftoid ideology worldwide
>>813135The working class doesn't care what particular form governance takes, as long as shit gets done.
And central planning is the only way to get shit done.
"Politics" and abstract "freedoms" as such are bourgeois ideology (standin for individual property rights), only bourgies kvetch about it, workers don't care.
>>813205Some of you actually believe this.
>>813205wealth, not value. otherwise a banger
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