/siberia/ - Off-topic

I really do think this is one of the central issues in politics, to this day, we are still Middle Ages tier..

>>814533
TBH there's plenty of evil atheists in power nowadays, but yeah religion is still bad.

>>814536
Dude, Israel wouldn't even be a thing without the religious pretext

>>814537
plenty of the people involved with founding israel weren't even religious jews

>>814536
Their claims to that land are so old, and so insignificant therefore, that it's a bit silly to even say you should be "the true owners" of it.

It's like me saying I own a castle because one of my ancestors owned it but then he was superseded and conquered and no longer owns it for many years after, I mean.. it becomes irrelevant after awhile.

>>814539
On thousands year old claim, you're going to settle in a land because of a thousands year old claim?

>>814541
Apparently so, and it mostly worked out for them

>>814543
It's so ridiculous on the face of it though, this would be like a random English person claiming to be Harold Godwinson's great great great great great great great great great great grandson or whatever and then revolting against the current house of England for the throne. It becomes SATIRE, eventually.

First frogpost thread that's just entirely correct

>>814540
Now Apply this to native americans or palestinians lol

>>814533
How do you stop this from happening?

>>814598 tukhachevsky had a plan…

Atheism is a comprimize to abrahamism by insisting a yes or no to the religion question is even necessary. Radical indifference through agnosticism can extinguish the dormant seed of religious thought that atheism naively preserves.

Atheists end up looking to quack science to serve as a secular analog to religion because they think too much about religion, and that's how you get shit like AI and evopsych.

>>814598
Why would you? Mormon girls are hot

Daily reminder religiGQDS will outbreed you. By 2070, half the women in the US will be wearing a Burqa and the other half will be dressing and acting like tiktok tradwives.

>>814604

every branch of protestanism is or innevitably devolves into actual pagan sex cults

>>814604
Why are you simping for cult girls? That's one of many ways for them to brainwash lonely human beans out there

Cry neckbeard

What do you mean "nearly everything"?

>>814619
Go back to 2007 unc

>>814605
this only works if they get religious schooling/homeschooling scaled up. Religoids are obsessed with keeping their children inside an information and social bubble of their design since they know religiosity will overall decline without said bubble.

>>814533
Would that help? Europe is more secular and atheist than Ameirca and it's still a shithole.

>>817531
That's the thing isn't it? Religion is used to rationalize the most heinous acts we do, but it's just as easy to do this rationalizing without religion. That was always my issue with the new atheist types, religion is a problem, but it's not the problem.

>>817531
im guessing picrel is pro religion but i unironically look like and say whats on the right

>>817536
Yeah it's pro religion. Some people might say the left is what China is doing and they're atheist but others would say China has lots of weird religious stuff. That Inside Chinese Business guy says China is winning because it's the largest Christian country in the world lol.

>>817540
Aren't the Chinese just generally atheist traditionalists?

>>817534
I remember someone saying the only thing scarier than the religious right wing is if they become atheist. Or maybe that was about rejecting/accepting global warming. Something like that.

>>817545
I dunno much about Chinese religion. I remember a story about how there was an opening ceremony for some scientific thing and the people in charge got in trouble with the government for incorporating spiritual elements. My poorly educated impression is some Chinese people are technically atheist but believe in all kinds of supernatural stuff.

>>817534
> That was always my issue with the new atheist types, religion is a problem, but it's not the problem.
I think a lot of them never really took atheistic materialism to its logical conclusion of "man makes religion" so they act like religion is some magical mental curse that makes people do grimy shit instead of the reality of religious and ideological justification being made well after the fact. They blame shit like the crusades,conquistadors and jihadism on religious belief and not the actual underlying shit like primitive accumulation and/or regional proxy wars over the flow of oil. I'd reckon its why it was so easy for alot of the new atheist crowd to pivot towards the "judeo-christian values" bullshit since they never let go of Idealism in the first place.

>>814533
atheism alone is not enough. the atheists of the 1990s and 2000s were imperialist zionist pig dogs like Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris. They all claimed to be Atheist but primarily they were liberal capitalists, allied with zionists and evangelicals, and supportive of the destruction of the middle east, completely unquestioning of the mainstream narratives surrounding 9/11, and proudly anti-communist and pro-free-market. To see what happened to "Atheism" one need only compare the Atheism of Vladimir Lenin with the Atheism of Christopher Hitchens.

>>817545
>Aren't the Chinese just generally atheist traditionalists?
depends on how you view Confucianism, which is not a religion with "Gods" necessarily, but is more of a Civic religion, like the US civic religion, the Roman civil religion. It is based on ancestor veneration, piety towards one's family and parents, social conservatism, etc. Mao repressed confucianism but it is getting revived in contemporary China.

>>817531
Good morning zigger

>>817531
retard
>>817726
also retard
>>817562
nobody replied to this because it was true and correct and not ragebait

Summon Lilith. Solves many religious woes in one righteous swoop.

>>817727
>nobody replied to this because it was true and correct and not ragebait
It was just a better version of a point I made already. Deserves attention though evermore.

>Atheists are right about nearly everything
What are they wrong about? They didn't pick up whatever version of Marxism you're following?

>>814598
Assuming trends are eternal is dumb.

>>817534
>it's just as easy to do this rationalizing without religion
You're basing this on what exactly?

>>818250
Look at any westoid country and how chuds capture everything even if de facto 90% of population aren't religious.

>>817728
Quick rundown?

i think our society is a lot more secular than people think and what is called religion today is not what religion was in the old days before modern science became common knowledge, when everyday people genuinely believed in things like gods and spirits and magic and whatnot. i grew up around religious people and from what i can tell, the vast majority of them don't really believe in any of it and it's just a performance and a tribal jersey for them. they insist that they believe in it and they will talk about why they believe it at great length, and it often seems like they are trying to convince themselves as much as they are trying to convince others. the human mind isn't as gullible as people think it is, it knows when it is being pandered to and it can't forget what it has learned about the world.

reactionary atheists talk about how terrible and irrational religion is, reducing it to a form of mental illness or a tool for social control, but it's a lot more nuanced than that. i think that for most of human history, religion served as a sort of psychological scaffolding which, ironically enough, helped people preserve their sanity and hold themselves together in a terrifying and depressing and incomprehensible world full of suffering and hardship and death. but now we know too much about the world to be able to really believe in this stuff and we've essentially lost our religion, and we haven't really come up with any decent substitutes to take its place and be our psychological armor that shields us from the indifference of the cosmos and our own insatiable egos. with no arbiter between himself and the world, man has become a lonely demigod staring into the void, there is no intermediary greater force he can look to for hope and guidance and humility. and he cannot live this way so he frantically latches on to whatever is nearby that can keep him afloat - money, power, status, careers, relationships, parenthood, consumerism, entertainment, booze, drugs, etc. but none of these earthly treasures are enough to fill that hole, they're all temporary. highs wear off and tolerances build up, rewards and privileges get taken for granted, fans and followers become an annoyance, careers become jobs, passions fade, friends move away or die, children grow up.

people need something bigger than life to keep them sane and keep them grounded and keep them from being swallowed up by the vast emptiness in the world and in themselves. and mindfulness and performative spirituality are not enough either, it has to be something they can truly believe in, something real, something that is more real than real. god may not be real, but the void certainly is and no one can deny its existence, the certainty of our mortality and insignificance and helplessness is something we cannot cease to believe in no matter how hard we try, and nothing in our mundane material reality can be possibly be enough to match the weight of that vast nothingness and balance the scales and keep us from losing our fucking minds. we need something to replace god, some countermanding positive force that is just as powerful and omnipotent and eternal as the abyss itself. what that could be i have no idea, but i know that whatever it is cannot be a lie.

>>814604
half of those are just photoshopped latinas

>>818318
>westoid country
> 90% of population aren't religious
there's very few westoid countries that satisfy this metric sadly. even many of the "nonreligious" people in the USA (only 27%) still have schizophrenic "spiritual" and "supernatural" beliefs that don't belong to any particular school of thought. The materialism is highly lacking.

>>814598

the faster the amish spread the more diluted their culture and traditions will become. this is what trad larpers all over the world implicitly understand but refuse to acknowledge. natzoids and trad larpers want "nationalism" with "strong borders" where every geographic region is an arbitrary perma-reservation for some fictional "race" of people who speak one language and follow one religion. "immigration" is considered to "pollute" this "natural" and "eternal" state of affairs. Yet what happens when one group grows beyond its original borders? What happens when groups intermix to the point of blending? What happens when time and technology and politics change things? Trad larpers hate change, but change is the only constant and the only real tradition. in 100 years amish won't even seem "amish" anymore. the "elders" will just gradually choose to adopt technologies to keep up with times, as they already do, but at an even faster rate.

>>818250
>You're basing this on what exactly?
The new atheist movement I mentioned. see>>817562 for more details

>>817562
Most Nu-Atheists were left-leaning or leftist, even the Skeptics.

>atheists
Well, atheists aren't a unified group. A human baby is an atheist.
>secularism
Marx criticises secularism as obscuring real contradictions in civil society. Just because a government isn't religious, doesn't mean the people who a government represents won't be. We see in protestant countries that churches operate like franchises, and so religion acts as a facet of the private sector more robustly than the public face.
>Abrahamicism
A lot of atheists, such as Dawkins, freely admits to being a "cultural" Christian. Abrahamicism isn't just in the mind, but it is in the soul.
>>814534
Saint-Simon criticises civil government in general as a feudal holdover, and suggested to replace "the government of men" by the "administration of things". We see in the US, how its Republicanism is expressly inspired by the Romans, for example. Democracy is Greek.
>>814536
>Religion is bad
Bad, or simply wrong?
>>814598
In Israel too, it is the religious fanatics who are outbreeding the atheists. The irrational have a propensity to overproduce children.
>>814600
Atheism ≠ scientism. A baby is an atheist without knowing science.
>>814605
Idiocracy already predicted all of this.
>>817531
This is why the critique of religion is not enough for radical change.
>>818514
Religion traumatises people into believing that their loved ones will be tortured for all eternity. Accepting our finitude in death is easier.
>>819067
I would disagree. All of the skeptical movements were pre-political. Most people didn't even disagree with the SJWs for their politics, but for their unpleasantness. The "woke" mob is still terribly unpleasant.

>>819075
If you check New Atheist blogs around the time Obama was elected and New Atheism was phased out by Athiesm+, you'll see that a solid 70-75% of grand pubbahs and rank and file were in favor of literal fully automated gay space Communism as the only way a post-religious society can be. Ironically, when the vast majority of Atheist fedoralords became lefty keyboard warriors and Breadtubers the focus on religion weakened to the point where they defend non-Christians and polytheists.

>>814598
American atheists believe evolution is the organizing principle for biology, therefore by not breeding they admit their genes are inferior, and that superior religious genes should spread. Nothing to worry about.

>>819175
This post is built on a pile of assumptions.

>>819176
Lemme know when there's a quiverfull movement for atheists.

>>819177
>quiverfull movement for atheists.
An oxymoron, you're post still made unbacked assumptions.

>>819075
>Bad, or simply wrong?

both

>>819179
Why would atheists wanting to have lots of kids be an oxymoron? I guess I made the assumption that atheists are about as fit as religious people but choose not to have kids. Maybe they can't breed because they're unfit. In that case, again, nothing to worry about, it's a good thing actually.

>>819190
Western brand of atheism is nihilism+hedonism+doom and coom shit, there's zero incentive to be a parent for the vast majority of them.

>>819075
>Religion traumatises people into believing that their loved ones will be tortured for all eternity. Accepting our finitude in death is easier.

i've never heard a single religious person talk about their loved ones being in hell, the whole point of religion is to believe what you want to believe and religious people want to believe that the people they love go to heaven and the people they hate go to hell. religion doesn't traumatize people, life traumatizes people and it needs no assistance to do so. no human fiction can ever come close to being as traumatic as reality is, no fire and brimstone fantasy world is more hellish than the genuine hell we live in now.

>>819323
>i've never heard a single religious person talk about their loved ones being in hell
Yes you have

>>819307
Having children also satisfies hedonism, you can even treat them like shit and use them as physical or mental punching ball, plenty of parents do

>>819339
How is being a parent a form of hedonism?