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Henry VIII famously established his Act of Supremacy (1534) as the genesis of the English Reformation. This was spurned on by the Pope's declination of Henry's request for annulment, and so divorce was made the contentious object. While Henry VIII did not change the law to allow divorce (which according to Christian law, is forbidden), but he authorised his own annulment through the Church of England. It is only later on with John Milton (1643-5) where a defense of the act of divorce is put forward, during the English Civil War; an extremely radical era of politics. Despite his appeals, divorce was only made legal in 1857, over 2 centuries later - with further reforms added in the 1960s - eventually leading to gay marriage in the 2010s. The USSR in 1917 immediately liberated married people by allowing for no-fault divorces. Despite this, people maintained marriages at a sustainable rate, even if they could leave at any time.

Here, I will continue in the spirit of Milton, that divorce is a necessary aspect of maintaining the very purpose of a married constitution. If it be the case that marriage makes one obliged to another of whom they have no affinity, it is burdensome for each to be bound to its contract - and we may call a compulsory contract "slavery" therefrom. Divorce does not destroy marriage; it is the thing which makes marriage true. For the same reason, divorce ought not be so infused with lawyers' self-interest, but should only concern personal contract, to be agreed to beforehand - the so-called "prenuptial agreement". All marriage will then be self-concerned between two parties, and not any third party. From this, everything is fair, but I will continue, it is normative of a further imperative or duty, which is the compulsion of marriage itself. It is my opinion that if you have been in a relationship for at least a year, then you should get married, since if divorce is free, consequences of marriage are also free. I expect that in a truly free contract thus, it will be common for people to have around 2-3 marriages and divorces in their life, rather than either zero or one, as it currently concerns our Christian conception. So, liberating marriage means the increase of marriage at the same capacity; the same way that gay marriage legalisation necessarily expands the institution. So, I think marriage should be a fun thing rather than a stessful thing. It should be desacralised, and made a matter of interpersonal interest.

>>818705
I think it depends, marriage derives its meaning from the societies context, since it is a social construct. Perhaps some people want no divorce marriage and some don't, I think society should help both accordingly and not have one size fits all. I can see the wisdom of no divorce marriage, because life and indeed people aren't all sunshine and rainbows all the time. Just like how you've probably made a pact to yourself to improve at something but ended up failing, sometimes people need help or coercion to keep up, but the problem is that peoples principles can change, so absolutely no divorce marriage cannot exist except as an ideal, so if they go into a contract like that then change their mind they should be penalized or make the process difficult.

>>818705
> It is my opinion that if you have been in a relationship for at least a year, then you should get married, since if divorce is free, consequences of marriage are also free.
I have lived with someone for 15 years and had a child with them. We never got married. Common law marriage was abolished so we were never auto-married by the state either. We could go down to the courthouse any time and finally do it, but we don't really give a shit. The affinity is evident by the fact that we lived together for over 10 years without major disagreements or fights and then decided to plan a child's birth.

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That's too many words for a tradition that needs to just be abolished.

>>818755
A larger point I am implying is that human pair-bonding naturally tends to monogamy, loyalty and legitimacy under free conditions, and so where marriage is freed from constraints, it will become more common, whilst a patriarchal culture denies the reality of marriage. In abolishing "marriage", you institute it as a natural fact. Marx makes this point in part by seeing how secular governments like the US often have a theocratic civil society. So, law is often opposed to custom.
>>818722
But you would still see each other as spiritually married, right?
>>818717
Right, so marriage is understood as a contract. It is also classically a property transfer of one party to another, by the permission of the father in "giving away" his child. We see this in Levitical Law, that if a husband dies, the widow should then become the wife of his brother. In India, the practice of wives killing themselves on funeral pyres was common after the death of their husband. No such arrangement as a self-possessed woman existed (except the mythic Lesbians), although in other cultures, such as the Greek, we see that Penelope had a duty to re-marry, but was also to be courted by potential suitors; a theme reminiscent of the later Dark Age, given from Arthurian romances. Romance increases as women are more independent - this is empirically verified by records of "Love Marriage" as opposed to patriarchal marriages. We see Schopenhauer scorn the rising idea of the Lady; a Victorian invention, found in the fiction of the Brontë sisters and Jane Austen. Female fantasies of romance increased in tandem with Feminist politics and liberty.

The violation of the marriage contract was often seen to be treated by death - Levitical Law states that adultery is a death sentence. We also see in the Greco-Roman case a death of dishonour. Honour killings still exist today in patriarchal cultures. We thus see that death is a clause of violation in the contract. Now, the concept of Catholic annulment officially mediates a marriage by declaring it as never having legitimacy. It is a retroactive edict, as a way to displace divorce. Divorce did not exist, while the separation of partners could find a way to justify itself. As I said, divorce was only given from the 19th century onwards, and immediately there were regulations which restricted the terms of lawful separation. The terms of separation could only be enacted by "adultery, cruelty, or desertion". This of course required proof, and so made marriage a matter of lawyers' self-interest. Divorce laws create divorce courts, and so demand creates supply. No fault divorces were actually only allowed in the UK in 2022, and within this, the terms of marriage are still held by conditions of "reflection" - where a marriage cannot be dissolved until after 20 weeks (5 months).

So, there are four given conditions of the marriage contract: (i) death of a partner, (ii) legitimacy of union, (iii) the loyalty of a partner, and (iv) duration of union. The death of a partner dissolves the marriage contract, which either leads to death or repossession - in antique contexts. Legitimacy mainly concerns the love marriage, where a "loveless marriage" is sought to find annulment. Loyalty concerns adultery, which is seen as universally trespassing against marriage. Duration concerns the present terms of reflection, and so limits one's ability to terminate the contract; long and short term contracts are also recognised in different fields, with penalties for not fulfilling the time promised. When you suggest types of regulation of marriage, which area is considered? It appears that you see that "reflection" is needed for periods of lovelessness, and so you see that legitimacy ought to be tested beyond a selected period of time. So, how would you measure for a sufficient lovelessness?

>>818835
>spiritually married
Nonsense on top of nonsense


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