/siberia/ - Off-topic

make drug dealing a crime and arrest them

probably the same way it's being dealt at the moment;
then offer a way out the same way Japan did when allowing the Yakuza to keep their businesses and finally having every active soldier on their ranks become into a formal Revolutionary PMC like Wagner.

unionize cartel members and nationalize cartels

by legalizing all drugs. It's the easiest solution in the world

>>819003
he says while he chugs alcohol and smokes like a chimney

>>819000
it's a complex issue and not easily answered. gang warfare in mexico is basically feudalistic. it's like asking how you'd get medieval europe to chill the fuck out with all the invasions and whatever. it wasn't easy, and only started happening after the unification. so that's what really needs to happen, a nationwide mexican unification that stands against every cartel group, which would be a massive undertaking, because these groups wouldn't just go down without a fight, they're some of the meanest and most vicious gangsters to have ever existed on the planet. they're way more hardcore than what we have in america, they're so bloodthirsty that they find reasons to kill just because they enjoy it. at least, that's my impression of things.

so what do you have to do to foster a great unification? first, you have to get people to stop glorifying crime and perceiving these groups as morally grey necessary evils that keep the peace but also deal in crime. then you'd need a strong military superpower, potentially multiple nations working in tandem with their combined military might to uproot these insurgents, which is not going to be easy, but it'd be a better use of wartime operations than whatever the fuck trump is doing in iran right about now.

maybe I'm a huge retard and I don't know what I'm talking about in this regard, but that's what I think.

>>819015
you are indeed a huge retard

>>819017
you need another chromosome by chance? I got one right here

legalize all drugs and make the state take care of the junkies, drive price down so everyone gets high and then goes on rehab as fast as posible

>legalize all drugs
>Combined red army to war the cartels who will probably want to fight anyway after you took their main source of power away

Easier said than done

same way as with any other issue: voting

I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill them all!

Arent cartels operated by large landowners? Seems like an obvious solution is to liquidate them as a class.

>>819046
That is just another variation of "just kill them lol"

>>819049
Well it also involves a land reform.

>>819030
So what if they get desperate in the short term? They're already doing violence anyway. If you take their main source of income they'll eventually die out. It's easy said and easy done.

>>819003
Yeah, that seems to have been working so far.

i would convince them to abolish private ownership of the drug business. that whats causing all of this in mexico. the owners are fighting not the people.

Gangs and cartels are fundamentally economic entities. Gaps in the market allow for opportunists to intervene. Some suggest that if you legalised drugs, cartels would lose their power by competing sources of manufacture, which is theoretically sound. Al Capone rose to power after the prohibition of alcohol; a social demand is met by merchants - this is the way of the world. We must however recognise that this is an unconditional clause. Socially harmful materials such as CSAM also have mass appeal, but it is simultaneously held that these ought to be restricted in their distribution - at least for the sake of decency. Drugs too pose a problem of addiction, which is worse than alcohol or cannabis - thus, even within drug communities are scales and grades. I think that black markets will always exist (e.g. you even had black markets in the USSR), and so this cannot be destroyed completely. The real issue of cartels is of sovereignty. The cartel acts as a private rival to the Mexican government, and so threatens democratic ends. It is a political question which concerns the freedom of territories. We saw that after gangsters were arrested in El Salvador that citizens seem to prefer it. So, gangs are a political and economic entity, which are fundamentally in conflict with the citizen, and should be destroyed, although, it should be recognised that they can never disappear. An interesting lore is that the Russian mafia came from Soviets deporting their criminals in New York, the same way MS-13 began in Los Angeles, and the criminals moved to El Salvador. Gangsters are pushed onto territories to antagonise people - the US worked with the Italian Mafia against ᴉuᴉlossnW after he banned them, for example. So, gangs are always a pest to host nations and are socially weaponised.

>>819113
imagine if there were CSAM cartels oh wait that's just the feds

>>819114
Private networks of tens of thousands are exposed all the time.
The feds aren't the producers, even if they help distribute it.
So to say, if you didn't make it illegal, it would pollute the internet.
Just look at the TOR Browser and the Deep Web

>>819107
It works in China the only reason it doesn't work in Latin America is because the Americans keep covertly supporting and empowering the drug dealers.

>>819000
Whatever Mao did to opium dealers seemed to work.

Force them to beautiful lady😍🥰 out on HRT to quell their toxic masculinity

>>819131
>It works in China
It's not all they do.

>>819139
>It's not all they do.
they'll never learn
<ackshually war on drugs and anti immigration and social conservatism is good because AES does it… therefore we should do it in our hyper capitalist shitholes without actually changing the economic base of society in any fashion