"healthy masculinity", "male revolutionary", "good male role model" aren't real because men and masculinity are inheritely reactionary
Men are very progressive.
yes. moid genocide.
Finally a good take
Then why are Marx Lenin and Mao moids? Checkmate feminazis.
>>820706>Marx Lenin and MaoNotice the increasing trend towards reaction.
>>820717How are Lenin and Mao more reactionary than Marx?
The left constantly shoots itself in the foot but despising men. Men cannot exist without some leftist bitching. Men aren't defective women, stop encouraging them to be such.
>>820698true
fundamentally masculinity as a social role is outmoded in present conditions of production. this is why there's such a struggle to define it as anything positive. the only "positive masculinity" is a sort of being individually interesting while happening to be male. but the moment you articulate this
as masculinity it gets the stench of reaction on it.
>>820706- different conditions of production
- direction of travel. the question is not whether marx, lenin, and mao were masculine, in principle, it is whether they were more or less engaged in masculine the tomfoolery of their era than their contemporaries.
>>820722Men aren't defective women, but men who try to LARP an outdated archetype instead of just existing as human beings are defective people.
>>820727>Men aren't defective women, but men who try to LARP an outdated archetype instead of just existing as human beings are defective people.So why do most leftists not make a meaningful distinction or even model a new idea of masculinity? When critiquing masculinity, all leftists do is bitch about things that upset women.
>>820727>fundamentally masculinity as a social role is outmoded in present conditions of production. this is why there's such a struggle to define it as anything positive.In the future, women will be the majority of the population, working as dashboard administrators and men will be very few because anything difficult will have been automated away. The entire social role of the male is to exist as his look and build and to specialise in female entertainment. Finished men will be cool multi-skilled stuntmen products of education systems. The Man as a modern consumer product.
Women will go to clubs and select their man for the night from a cool fighting game select screen.
Cool.
>>820748Stop watching porn
>>820749as a conservative i only watch porn without women because i dont want to be brainwashed by the woke mob
no, close but no.
>men and masculinity are inheritely reactionary
imma fix it for you
>Gender ideology is inherently reactionary.
>>820752>as a conservative i only watch porn without women because i dont want to be brainwashed by the woke mobWhy do gays play god with heteros? See, it
was a slippery slope! Now they're our AI gods. They're gonna change the name of the species to Homo Incelus and farm them.
>>820762>class consciousness is inherently reactionary. >>820752>as a conservative i only watch porn without womenLet me understand you.
You're gay, and you go around calling straight men incels? You think that getting fit is incel and not being a social retard is incel.
I’m amazed at how Leftypol says “gender is a spook” yet they target men and glorify women.
If you truly believe gender is spook, you’d realize feminism and women are just as reactionary as masculinity and men are.
I’m willing to bet that most of the anti-masculine/misandrist sentiments on here have nothing to do with genuine disgust of female abuse.
It’s just mainly out of touch misanthropes whom internalized gender stereotypes as their metric of manhood and project their insecurities of some personal masculine failures onto the male sex as a whole.
Most of you here who complain about masculinity also say right wing women dont deserve respect.”
You also complain about leftist women not appreciating leftist men.
>>820736> In the future, women will be the majority of the population, working as dashboard administrators and men will be very few because anything difficult will have been automated away. You know that men don’t do just heavy lifting? In fact, ironically, men were the majority of administrative workers before women were. Also, if women become the majority of the population it will be due to active androcide.
>The entire social role of the male is to exist as his look and build and to specialise in female entertainment. Finished men will be cool multi-skilled stuntmen products of education systems. The Man as a modern consumer product.Then, women will also exist as this as well.
Women will have to sell their image and wits. Women aren’t gonna be accepted as they are.
In fact, the default definition of a woman is usually a young good looking slim adult female
>>820727> fundamentally masculinity as a social role is outmoded in present conditions of production. this is why there's such a struggle to define it as anything positive. the only "positive masculinity" is a sort of being individually interesting while happening to be male. but the moment you articulate this as masculinity it gets the stench of reaction on itYou’re kinda wrong. Masculinity isn’t inherently reactionary. And it isn’t outdated either. You’re confusing machismo for masculinity.
By your logic, femininity doesn’t exist either as a positive role.
Masculinity is often wrongfully reduced to dumb suicidal tasks to prove one’s balls has dropped.
Masculinity is just male individuality the same way femininity is female individuality.
To say masculinity is a farce is to admit femininity is a farce as well.
>>820737This.
Leftypol claims to be logical and against morality but they’re just as big moral users as the chuds they hate.
They hide behind misandry to cope with their gender dysphoria.
Their ideas of gender nature is entirely pop culture. They have never really socially intimated with men and women as meatspace entities. They only indirectly view men and women through media tropes.
That’s why they obsess over “white women ficking dogs” or “white racist men having a BBC fetish”
They cannot and will not ever interact or discuss people sincerely without resorting to Adult Swim theatrics
>>820878>I’m amazed at how Leftypol says “gender is a spook” yet they target men and glorify women.Soft power, women do most of the buying. The closer you get to the truths, the louder the lying.
>if women become the majority of the population it will be due to active androcide.No, if there's no future for men the population would stop having as many boys.
>By your logic, femininity doesn’t exist either as a positive role.>Masculinity is often wrongfully reduced to dumb suicidal tasks to prove one’s balls has dropped.>Masculinity is just male individuality the same way femininity is female individuality.>To say masculinity is a farce is to admit femininity is a farce as well.Women just reach the age but men invent the rituals. It's all men. Men do these things, not women.
>>820882>In fact, ironically, men were the majority of administrative workers before women were.Progress reduces risk and makes things more accessible. In the end cocks aren't the chicken and the chicken lay the eggs, not the obnoxiously loud cocks. Heck, even the mares run faster. It all reduces down to dashboard DJ-ing in the end and women can bounce back from maternity, men can't. Women don't do the stupid shit men do.
>In fact, the default definition of a woman is usually a young good looking slim adult femaleWhen has a man ever gotten $100M for turning legal overnight on OF? Look at the statistics. Better education, diet and healthcare means younger for longer anyway.
>Then, women will also exist as this [consumer product] as well. Women will have to sell their image and wits. Women aren’t gonna be accepted as they are.Apart from basic fitness and hygiene, no. Men are far hornier. You're assuming that the world is going to have the same calorie laden aisles as it has today and that it's going to take the same unnatural effort to look natural. If the men consent to their roles, the women can't look like monsters. As if they're that stupid anyway, only men could be that senseless.
Women will be the workforce and will pay men to host the fun. Men will provide "cool" as a consumer product.
>>820884>They hide behind misandry to cope with their gender dysphoria.They're dysphoric little liars.
>Their ideas of gender nature is entirely pop culture.Until they break bad and "redpill".
>>820926>Soft power, women do most of the buying. The closer you get to the truths, the louder the lying.Men do a lot of buying as well. I think “soft power” isn’t gender-dependent as much as you think
> Apart from basic fitness and hygiene, no. Men are far hornier. You're assuming that the world is going to have the same calorie laden aisles as it has today and that it's going to take the same unnatural effort to look natural. If the men consent to their roles, the women can't look like monsters. As if they're that stupid anyway, only men could be that senselessI assume you’re grossly naive. Women can be stupid in their own ways. Also, men are flexible in their sexuality. They can appreciate someone not conforming to the symmetricality norms of beauty.
> Progress reduces risk and makes things more accessible. In the end cocks aren't the chicken and the chicken lay the eggs, not the obnoxiously loud cocks.And yet you need cocks to get more chickens. Also you mean hens. Because hens are the ones who lay eggs. Hens lay eggs but they need cocks to fertilize them to make more hens to lay eggs. Also men are the ones who make progress. It’s not just merely for women.
>Heck, even the mares run faster. It all reduces down to dashboard DJ-ing in the end and women can bounce back from maternity, men can't. Women don't do the stupid shit men do.Women don’t really bounce back from maternity as easy as you think. You realise that postpartum depression is a thing? and the hormonal disruption in general that pregnancy brings? And let’s not forget menstrual cycle. And women can die from child birth
Also men aren’t just merely risk takers and women also do risk taking as well
> When has a man ever gotten $100M for turning legal overnight on OF? Look at the statistics. Better education, diet and healthcare means younger for longer anyway.Women on average don’t turn one hundred million overnight on OF even if they’re pretty. There’s a lot more good looking pauperesses than good looking princesses
Also, better education doesn’t mean better outcomes. The generation of people born after the mid-1970s have spent more time in education than any generation in history.
And yet, healthcare is still a crisis.
There’s an industriality crisis in which most prime age people are stuck in customer service jobs
Also, you’re confusing longevity for detainment of youth
People live longer, but that doesn’t mean they live healthier.
Also, people live in a greater age span of dependency than ever before
Adolescence used to be a five-to-seven year phase.
Now it’s fifteen to twenty years long
> Women just reach the age but men invent the rituals. It's all men. Men do these things, not womenWomen also do rituals of their own.
Also, women are considered less feminine as they age.
And women are required to do coming of age rituals as well. Do you think women were allowed to come of age without learning any homesteading skills in the old days?
You have to naive to think this.
>>820927> They're dysphoric little liarsThey’re not liars, they’re just in denial.
They’re sincere in their emotions but not in their wording
Remember it’s not WHAT you say, it’s HOW you say it.
> Until they break bad and "redpill".Most redpillers were former radlibs turned “bad boy”
What’s really ironic is that the more vitriolic they are about women, the more they simp for female beauty
Simping and redpill go hand-in-hand
>>820926> No, if there's no future for men the population would stop having as many boys.Such as?
I also think you forget that whatever plagues boys also has a counterpart in girls
Less people are having kids
Female reactionaryism is also rising
>>820949>Leftypol claiming to be free of spooks while pathologising men as inherently evil Look at our communism dawg
>>820781im not gay. im a straight conservative christian
>>820935>Such as?Already happened in reverse in China and ended up producing more men than women in the end. If it's more advantageous to have one gender, the population adapts to that.
>I also think you forget that whatever plagues boys also has a counterpart in girlsThey're not comparable in scale and intensity. Men are targeted a lot more in many more different ways.
>>820932>Men do a lot of buying as well.>Women also do rituals of their own.Again, they're not comparable at all. Women control up to 85% of consumer spending in the US (Capital One). They don't do any of the retarded balls shit men do either.
>Hens lay eggs but they need cocks to fertilize them to make more hens to lay eggs.The standard practice is to keep fewer males, the ratio is 1 to 12. If all work reduces to dashboard DJ-ing, then there's no need for as many men in the economy anymore. Men reduce to female entertainment and raising men. Maybe not 1 to 12.
>Also men are the ones who make progress. It’s not just merely for women.Yes, but it's men who end up getting excluded as a result. It's not all for women but if they can do the work, it's retarded to discriminate against them. Majority male jobs turn 50:50 and then fewer and fewer males apply.
Anything maternity related is a healthcare problem and will get solved with progress.
>The generation of people born after the mid-1970s have spent more time in education than any generation in history.Corruption issue, that's different.
>>820951>pathologising men as inherently evil Show me where in this thread someone said that right now.
>>820983
beautiful lady😍🥰s can be women tho…
I read through entire thread and it is kind of funny that people getting mad at OP are yet to provide a single example of what they consider a positive masculinity.
>>821001OP specifically said men are inherently reactionary so I can see why no one bothered to entertain the premise.
But if you want examples of “positive masculinity” then it depends on what you define masculinity as, if you define it as the “upholding of gender relations” then any example of masculinity will be negative. If you define it as “things men typically do more so than women” then you could say construction is “positive masculinity” masculinity and femininity are just sort of silly ideas so any judgement of either as being positive or negative isn’t going to be very useful
>>821005This all seems like a roundabout way of admiting OP is basically correct and the only objectionable thing is his tone.
>>821007I hate nuance aah post
>>820949Liberal men are the only group of men to acknowledge this.
what's interesting is that all the things people associate with masculinity these days are things that actually have to do with boyhood rather than manhood. hypersexuality, entitlement, self-centeredness, bullying, groupthink, misogyny, attention-seeking, talking too loud, violent temper tantrums, boasting/exaggerating/lying about achievements, obsession with guns/war/fire/explosions/violence, excessive drinking, high-risk behaviors, poor hygeine/grooming, wearing big baggy shorts, etc. these are all boy behaviors, the things men are supposed to have grown out of in their adulthood.
>>820878I figure left-wing male misandry is because they were bullied by jocks and other socially superior men and felt like outcasts during their childhood. Now the real based poster was the one who wanted to masculinize women. Like that old feminist quote: femininity is shit that fucks women up.
>>821023>taking idioms at face valueYou lost the game
>>821013>Liberal men are the only group of men to acknowledge this.Men are stronger and aren't as prone to hormones as women are so more of the risk and violence is assigned to them. Naturally, this also gives them a kind of respect and privileges because of what they're expected to do. It also indirectly respects women by keeping less accountable to risk and danger.
>>821015>Masculinity = boyhoodMen grow up but the inner boy is still always there. I guess it's the same for women.
>>821022>I figure left-wing male misandry is because they were bullied by jocks and other socially superior men and felt like outcasts during their childhoodYou hit the nail on it's head, see
>>820735 . They try to be nihilists to the values that gave their bullies power and influence, ending up suffering numales themselves. It's like they're denying the world and the hetero-ness of the human species. They still end up watching aggressively hetero porn on their incognito tab.
>>821023>There's that old Paglia quote about how if women were in charge we'd still be living in grass huts.Finally, a feminist who's not an annoying troll.
>>821031>while women were politically inert baby factories.This isn't true at all. Men boast and get written down but women avoid history.
>>821032>aren't as prone to hormones as womenyes they are. The thug mugging people on the streets and the golden boy trader stepping on his fellow men for the sake of his own career are both driven by testosterone.
>>821037>yes they are. The thug mugging people on the streets and the golden boy trader stepping on his fellow men for the sake of his own career are both driven by testosterone.You're being such a soy boy contrarian. They're not the same at all, you're comparing men with the smaller women who are crazy half of the time. Testosterone only makes the world clearer and slightly more viagra-tinted. Men are grounded and logical most of the time.
Your example is complete bullshit. Poverty is irrelevance. You can have all the power and money but if you can't get what you want and need, you're poor. Women also do things to remain relevant and with the same aggression. Everything else is a spook.
>>821040>They're not the same at allBut they are, the only thing that change is the social interpretation of the displayed agressivity.
>you're comparing men with the smaller women who are crazy half of the timeIt's easy to consider women the irrational ones when you just handwave example of male irrationality.
>testosterone only makes the world clearer and slightly more viagra-tintedlol no. Your body just subconsciously readies itself to throw a punch and blow a nut. That's not clarity.
>Poverty is irrelevance. You can have all the power and money but if you can't get what you want and need, you're poor. But the amoral trader ruining the livelyhood of thousand of proles
got what he wanted and needed, just at the expanse of everyone else.
>>821048>What have you got in this? You got an agenda to push?Do you?
>>821049>Do you?Read the reply for what it says. Do it have an agenda?
>>821053>You mean beside male chauvinism?So, let me guess. You're queer and you're an anti-essentialist? Some kind of a heteronihilist?
Men and women are very different. Women deal with challenges that men don't.
>>821055Antiessentialist yes. Queer is just a concept for burgerbrained libs thinking the stereotypes of Bible thumping rednecks and Stepford wives are synonymous with heterosexual men and women.
I have no fucking idea what heteronihilist is even supposed to mean.
>Men and women are very different. Women deal with challenges that men don't.Empty platitudes with no substance whatsoever. Neither men or women are monoliths.
>>821070>Googly eye and fucked up hand.Won't even find an actual person to twist into his strawman. Sad!
>>821072>Won't even find an actual personDo you want me to post real soy faces here? Soy is pretty gay but even then I don't want them to get STDs from you looking at them.
>>820878People here hate communists of the wrong flavour more than they hate fascists, because their fringe sects directly compete with each other to capture that handful of people that are open to communist ideas. It's the same thing happening here.
>>821075>People here hate communists of the wrong flavour more than they hate fascists, because their fringe sects directly compete with each other to capture that handful of people that are open to communist ideas. It's the same thing happening here.So it's a failed project and an aesthetic.
>>820698Cute cat pic, very funny also 👍🐱
>>821015Wrong. I don’t believe in this “boy vs man” shit. Because a lot of those behaviors that we often assign to kids are more prevalent in adulthood and even if they were prevalent in kids often are not as bad as they are in adulthood.
I see way more violence and misogyny in men than in boys. A lot more entitlement in men than in boys
Also, maturity is often reduced to aesthetics, used as gatekeeping.
>>821037It’s not so much testosterone as much as it’s just materialistic gains
Women have the same problem as well and they have estrogen
>>820959>Yes, but it's men who end up getting excluded as a result. Not always. Women end up excluded as well
>It's not all for women but if they can do the work, it's retarded to discriminate against them. Majority male jobs turn 50:50 and then fewer and fewer males apply.Again not exactly true. There’s a lot of jobs where its mainly split between genders by shift
In fast food and retail, it’s mainly women who do daytime shifts while men do overnight
Men are also expected to do more of the janitorial work.
>Men are stronger and aren't as prone to hormones as women are so more of the risk and violence is assigned to them.Men are just as hormonal as women. All animals are hormonal. Regardless of age, gender, or species.
> Naturally, this also gives them a kind of respect and privileges because of what they're expected to do. It also indirectly respects women by keeping less accountable to risk and danger.There’s species of animals where females are aggressive and have to fend for the kids.
>>821022Wrong. Your idea of how these men turned out is really a cartoonish impression. These guys weren’t all bullied by jocks. Chances are they grew up disconnected and alone.
>>821015>poor hygeine/grooming, wearing big baggy shorts, etcThese aren’t exclusively boy behaviors
Girls and men have the same problem
Also baggy shorts aren’t degenerate within themselves
Lots of ancient societies had kids wearing baggy clothes due to growth spurts
>>820959>Already happened in reverse in China and ended up producing more men than women in the end. If it's more advantageous to have one gender, the population adapts to that.China did gynoinfanticide
>>821075Communism and fascism always had more similarities than differences whether we wanna admit it or not
>>821119>Also, maturity is often reduced to aesthetics, used as gatekeeping.Reminds me of when both genders use therapy talk or fake pity to abuse.
>>821077>>821119What do you honestly think about the future of sex for heterosexuals?
Andrew Tate tried to gain relevance and get rich using rented sports cars and other women's bodies. If he deserves more than exactly what he'd done, we would need God to send us more than 20 Jesuses to die for all of that hate and torture because we aren't innocent. None of us are.
It's like I'm staring at poverty when I see him on the news.
>In fast food and retail, it’s mainly women who do daytime shifts while men do overnight >Men are also expected to do more of the janitorial work.What I'm asking is that what if automation takes away the night shift and the janitorial work? Women want the money, but men want more than their share for the woman. As a shareholder, if you can guarantee that the woman can create the same surplus as the man, you know that you will be getting a discount in hiring her instead.
I think that the ratios are going to shift to maintain social freedoms and abundance for both sexes.
>There’s species of animals where females are aggressive and have to fend for the kids.Species maleness in biology reduces to having the smaller gametes by convention but we're not talking about that here.
>>821128>Communism and fascism always had more similarities than differences whether we wanna admit it or notFascism is when the owners try to do it and communism is when you try to instigate the wagies to do it. Same thing at it's core. That's why communism is more documented and defined and fascism is difficult to define.
>>821007Then you’d have to admit that femininity is reactionary as well.
Also it’s not a roundabout way of proving OP correct.
>>821063>Antiessentialist yes. Queer is just a concept for burgerbrained libs thinking the stereotypes of Bible thumping rednecks and Stepford wives are synonymous with heterosexual men and women.>I have no fucking idea what heteronihilist is even supposed to mean.This. It’s not even about masculinity it’s about the caricatures that are used to represent masculinity.
>>821032>Men grow up but the inner boy is still always there. I guess it's the same for women.This. Also, “boy vs man” is an overused metaphor anyway.
It’s a gross demeaning stereotype of maturation.
Also, female maturation is never scrutinized in this moralized way as often as male maturation
A lot of the behaviors we condemn boys for are also present in men, girls, and women.
>>821055>Men and women are very different. Women deal with challenges that men don't.Women are only so different in their genitalia and main sex hormone.
The problems they have while not exactly the same as mens share a lot of complementary affectation.
>>821129>Reminds me of when both genders use therapy talk or fake pity to abuse.Whether it be the “stoicism” with their “don’t ever trust a woman to do/say this”
Or “empathy” with “good men always do and say this for women”
This. There’s nothing I hate more than therapy-speak. “Empathy” and “stoicism” are gender-essentialist ideologues that rely heavily on therapy speak.
They often talk down to their patrons in way that makes them feel ashamed for having sympathy for the opposite sex
It’s bad enough that therapy-speak is used heavily in K-12 education.
In fact, I bet a lot of our postboomer sociopolitical farce can be traced back to adults talking down to kids in therapy-speak in the 1990s to current year.
>>821129>What do you honestly think about the future of sex for heterosexuals?The overall future of sex regarless of sexual orientation will be glorified masturbation mediated by AI chatbots, perhaps coupled with VR for the relatively wealthy.
People no longer want to deal with the incertainty, efforts and frustration that come with getting to know other people and the necessary compromises to build relationships.
Heterosexuals face the additional issue of increasing prejudice toward the other sex. Every man is a sexual predator that want to enslave women, every woman is a crazy bitch who want to enslave men. Both side perceive the distrust emanating from the other as disdain which only reinforce their own prejudices.
Meanwhile the ruling class will simply keep using glorified or outright prostitution, a.k.a discarding and purchasing new spouses once the old one turn 40 plus a monthly trip aboard the lolita express.
>>821129
>What I'm asking is that what if automation takes away the night shift and the janitorial work?Automation will still require workers to look under every nook and cranny.
>Women want the money, but men want more than their share for the woman. Not exactly true. Men are willing to work hard for mere scraps. It’s just that men are expected to earn more than women to be seen as relevant
>As a shareholder, if you can guarantee that the woman can create the same surplus as the man, you know that you will be getting a discount in hiring her instead.You’re already internalizing gender stereotypes in your head.
>I think that the ratios are going to shift to maintain social freedoms and abundance for both sexes.Again, you’re internalizing gender stereotypes that don’t really conform to sociophysical reality
>What do you honestly think about the future of sex for heterosexuals?The future for heterosexual intercourse may lie in neuro-linked virtual reality
I remember reading an old magazine that talked about how in the future, porn will be seen as “for the kids” because adults will be doing cybernetic holographic sex chats
>Andrew Tate tried to gain relevance and get rich using rented sports cars and other women's bodies. If he deserves more than exactly what he'd done, we would need God to send us more than 20 Jesuses to die for all of that hate and torture because we aren't innocent. None of us are.Andrew Tate’s relevance isn’t what you think it is. Yes he may have ranted sports cars and abused women but it was all for show. I don’t think he was swimming in pussy or having a different girl every night like he was Epstein.
Chances are, he probably still had dry spells and didnt drive his flashy sports car as often.
His relevancy was gained for making spectacle of himself
Deep down, everyone knew he was fake. We all did. We knew he wasn’t as magnetizing as he portrayed himself to be
Tate was successful because of indignation.
People paid attention to him because he was ridiculous. The same thing for Trump
Actually, I would say Trump is even more successful than Tate.
If anything, Trump has had a far greater track record of absurdity than Tate.
He’s been cemented as an urban real estate baron turned media darling
I notice that there’s more affection for Trump from his opposition than there is for Tate
For the female cultural counterparts, we have the Kardashians
The 2010s entertainment media treated them as the homely queens of absurdity
I remember when people were going apeshit over Kim K’s booty photo shoot
It wasn’t even that bad nor exceptional. It was simply a photo of her showing her oiled up bubble butt
People watch more roque things in private.
>It's like I'm staring at poverty when I see him on the news.All I see when I see Andrew Tate is just another umpteenth talking head.
Donald Trump had a far greater impression on me. I’ve known about him before 2016.
I remember hearing about him in the 2000s. He was just a cameo celebrity
His voice and looks seemed to match the cartoonish stereotypes of New York City businessmen.
He looked and sounded like something out of a mob movie. Those typical big talking tongue twisting snarky dudes whom were built with some pudge.
>>821132>This. It’s not even about masculinity it’s about the caricatures that are used to represent masculinity.Is this a joke? Are you guys talking from a queer perspective or a hetero perspective?
>Women are only so different in their genitalia and main sex hormone.Absolutely not, it's way more than that. Are you some anti-essentialists or something? Are bio-women a joke to you?
>>821136>>821137>The overall future of sex regarless of sexual orientation will be glorified masturbation mediated by AI chatbots, perhaps coupled with VR for the relatively wealthy. People no longer want to deal with the incertainty, efforts and frustration that come with getting to know other people and the necessary compromises to build relationships.>The future for heterosexual intercourse may lie in neuro-linked virtual realityMaybe for the servile low quotient classes, but actual sentients want connection and will be found at the gym or "how to entertain your pardner" courses. Gays need not apply to the second because they're naturals.
Real validation comes with the risk of rejection so the boojies will gamble.
>Meanwhile the ruling class will simply keep using glorified or outright prostitution, a.k.a discarding and purchasing new spouses once the old one turn 40 plus a monthly trip aboard the lolita express.With the added retirement care and benefits to prevent resentful thinking. Prostitution for a mini-castle kind of deal. Some people will choose this to get out of eating pagpag and will undercut everyone else. Don't search pagpag.
>>821137>You’re already internalizing gender stereotypes in your head.>Again, you’re internalizing gender stereotypes that don’t really conform to sociophysical realityAre you queer or are you joking with me here? Are you a male and how long have you been an adult even? This sounds too delusional to me.
>>821253>the boojies will gambleBoogies
pretend to gamble but in practice they just rig the game.
>>821273Everyone
wishes they could rig the game in their favor. Not all of them have the means to do so.
>>821284>Everyone wishes they could rig the game in their favor. Not all of them have the means to do so.It's not communism that needs to be applied then, it's the rules of the games per se. Communism will win by being the last one standing, if it was the true guess for the ultimate "paradise".
>>821253>Are you queer or are you joking with me here? Are you a male and how long have you been an adult even? This sounds too delusional to me.What does “how long have you been an adult” have to do with this?
Are you trying to “appeal to authority” on me?
Most of your takes sound like some redpill jumbo jumbo where there’s an actual agenda to rid humans of the Y chromosome.
>Maybe for the servile low quotient classes, but actual sentients want connection and will be found at the gym or "how to entertain your pardner" courses. Gays need not apply to the second because they're naturals.Now I gotta ask you: How long have you been an adult?
It’s not a matter of whether or not people still go out. People will still go out.
But neurolink VR sex may be the next step.
Also, gay dudes aren’t all lucky and prosperous in getting laid
>Absolutely not, it's way more than that. Are you some anti-essentialists or something? Are bio-women a joke to you?I think you suffer from contextual illiteracy or something
I specifically said women only differ from men by mere genitalia and main sex hormone
A lot of the problems women face are complementary to men.
Men worry about getting raped too
Not just men.
>Is this a joke? Are you guys talking from a queer perspective or a hetero perspective?Both, dumbass
>>821299>What does “how long have you been an adult” have to do with this?Good question! See below.
>Men worry about getting raped tooYes, but it's not comparable to women at all in scale just like men's problems aren't comparable to women's problems. Women have to worry about rape because men are physically bigger and some other reasons. Do these points have to be spelled out or are you just being a troll?
>Most of your takes sound like some redpill jumbo jumbo where there’s an actual agenda to rid humans of the Y chromosome.Tell me about it. How is it redpill and why would there be an agenda to get rid of men?
>men problems
<look inside
>shit men brought on themselves while trying to fuck women over
bröthers not looking good here
>>820698masculinity=violence
the state is class violence
Masculinity is either good or bad depending on consciousness just like how technology is used for accumulation of capital rather than collective superabundance.
Masculinity is bad if it manifests as atomised competition , but once your realise you're playing a rigged game do you still take it seriously? Of course not. An 'alpha male' shouldn't AMOG (alpha male of the group) but rather belong to the GOMA (group of male alphas), because a person is alpha relative to the context. So by becoming an alpha male (class consciousness), you belong to the alpha male group(proletariat) and you maintain alpha status by maintaining the status in the alpha group (acting in class interest instead of being subservient) helping more people to become alphas and join the GOMA so your group can AMOG other groups until your group either amogs every group
>>821325Men's problems therefore are mysterious things, simply because in it the social character of men’s fucking over women appears to them as an objective character stamped upon masculinity; because the relation of men to the sum total of their own actions is presented to them as a social relation, existing not between themselves, but between the sexes. This is the reason why the fucking over becomes masculinity, a social thing whose qualities are at the same time perceptible and imperceptible by the senses.
>>821325>>821331>>821333Solved by having fewer men. Men need to be raised properly and most people aren't interested in that so they end up toxic or dysphoric.
Women are clever and can solve their own problems.
>>821348Raised properly in what way? And how are women more clever?
Shit nobody cared about thread above me btw
>>821351>Raised properly in what way? And how are women more clever?Women can't be oofy doofy losers or transition to male. Men need to be taught to be assertive so they don't end up as numales and taught not to be too extreme or else they rape. That's all on top of dietary needs.
Women can grow up on carbs and always turn out alright.
>Men are inherently reactionary
<Exclusively enjoys the writings and opinions of men
K.
>>821376>strictly male affairfar-right politics is also a male affair, you've almost never heard of any female right-wing politicians compared to men
>>821380What do you think of a futuristic society with more women than men?
>>821377>Zourabichvili in 2nd picreljust so you know, she was a puppet of the oligarchal Georgian Nightmare party
>>821381it would be nice :)
>>821383>latino>Anglo flag in 2nd picrelSuch delusion cannot be seen in the left
>>821386I didn't know Meloni is a brunette. She's still cute.
>>821388it would be ironic if she got pens thrown at her btw
Since women are generally considered reactionary, at least in this thread, does that mean the future Hitler will be woman? Is this how the male population will get reduced?
>>821390What about AFP, Fidesz, Reform UK and the Republikkkans? They're literal sausage fests
>>821392>Since women are generally considered reactionary, at least in this thread, does that mean the future Hitler will be woman? Is this how the male population will get reduced?No, it's going to be meaninglessness and lack of scarcity. Men can't save the women from anything anymore and won't buy women pretending to be in trouble. All of the UBI ends up going to OnlyFans and men check out of society and go into the forest with a bottle of vodka.
>>821390>All modern far-right movements are lead by women.Women are the more serious build than men and get all the chores done.
May i include Irma Irmashvili from the Alliance of Patriots party (Republic of Georgia)?
>>821398>Elizabeth>VictoriaSo you want an absolute monarchy?
>>821401>entertainment and comedyTalk about bread and circuses!
>>821404And Britain was bourgeois too. Although, Britain's warts started showing around Brexit-time but only minor
>>821403>Talk about bread and circuses!I mean, once everything is solved all jobs turn into dashboard monkey-ing, which will be done by women. No more conflict so no more politics. It's all existing, maintaining and entertainment. It's literally all it is in the end, bread and circuses and companionship.
You would need a surplus of men to start shit again.
>>821406Hm. A bit of a loop we're in, aren't we?
>>821408>Hm. A bit of a loop we're in, aren't we?You mean the existing, maintenance and bread? We have spices.
>>820949>men in the replies pretending patriarchy isn't real and doing the disco elysium "are women bourgeoisie" bitLol, kinda ironic invoking the "are women bourgeois" bit while unironically endorsing "are men bourgeois?" Don't you think? You don't see the "are women bourgeois" as satirical because it's putting a categorical summary on half the human population, just that you think it's doing the wrong half.
>>821409I have not been geekoloniseerded yet. You?
>>821412>geekoloniseerded Looooooool, what's that?
>>821413Are u not dutch???
>>821410smartest male communist
You know, I personally would be happy if all the women an genderqueers led a revolution and got rid of all the patriarchy and installed femqueer socialism or whatever. What the fuck is stopping you? Do you need the endorsement of every moid on Earth? I give you mine. Please, please, take over the government. What is stopping you? Do we have to say you look cute in your maosuit before you can do it? What do you need from us moids?
>>821420The whole point of feminism is to compete with men.
Without men, there would br no ambition for excellence.
radfems are not human
Feminism is a burgeoisie divide and conquer ideology that got inserted into the socialist movement to make it destroy it from within
I want to thank op for providing furtyher evidence for this
>dumb mfs who think foids are the main obstacle to addressing moid mental issues
moids are hopeless. and undeserving of health. abolish moids. moid genocide.
>>821496Just like when male birds have to sing and dance for female attention.
Man this thread is still going?
The spirit of imageboards is dood. Cant even call op a fag trооn anymore, smh.
>>821545I'm an anarchist and I don't hate women.
Garbage fucking thread filled with terminally online schizos. 80% of people here should be banned.
>>821552>Garbage fucking thread filled with terminally online schizos. 80% of people here should be banned.Including (you)
>>821552>Garbage fucking thread filled with terminally online schizos. 80% of people here should be banned.Your thinking is really rigid and bigoted for a progressive queer person. They're just ahead of the curve on this one.
>>821545>Kek both rightoid and leftoid men hate women and women oriented movements but hide their feelings behind different terms: “traditional values”, “reactionary”<Comes into a thread where the OP is calling men reactionary.<Decides to whine anyway about people facetiously spinning it around and calling women reactionary to make fun of the OP.How do you become this disingenuous? Is it a skill you picked up? Or were you born with it?
>>820698>"healthy masculinity", "male revolutionary", "good male role model" aren't real because men and masculinity are inheritely reactionary >>821616
>Total trооn death. OP is a trооn.
S-Sabiny?
The male criminality thread just got nuked. The "Male Question" is valid as fuck. MQ is valid! This poster
>>820736 is right
>>821624I think that it's more of a future prediction than a suggestion.
>>821626Works either way!
>>820703By who? You cannot wage revolutionary war without men and their violent tendencies.
>>821634>By who? You cannot wage revolutionary war without men and their violent tendencies.And when all reason for war ends, all we get is video games, sports and
>>820736 >>821634Without men and their violent tendencies there is no need to wage revolutionnary war in the first place
>>820736>In the future, women will be the majority of the population, working as dashboard administratorsare you a city lad or something? even in this fantasy of yours where men are the product of obgectification and women are the one with agency and grip on society you still gave them the high paying comfy indoor jobs lol. something urban.
i wanna see woman loggers and butchers and soldiers, woman sewer maintainers and their trophy husbands, builders and farmers (thi one always been a thing), tell me all about it.
>>821649>men will be very few because anything difficult will have been automated awayright didn't read the next part, but you can't maintain all those machines with just women can you?. and as soft as you make it sound the only way for men to just..wither away and have that fantasy is if society actively aborted men or drowned them like a reverse china.
>>821119>Wrong. I don’t believe in this “boy vs man” shit. Because a lot of those behaviors that we often assign to kids are more prevalent in adulthood and even if they were prevalent in kids often are not as bad as they are in adulthood.Both incel (Alana, 1997) and blackpill (Paragon, redpill blogosphere, 2010) were invented and bumped into each other in online forums. Alana ran a forum for 3 years before leaving and the role of black pill is to place the focus on politics over self-improvement. DYOR.
>>821650>right didn't read the next part, but you can't maintain all those machines with just women can you?. and as soft as you make it sound the only way for men to just..wither away and have that fantasy is if society actively aborted men or drowned them like a reverse china.A lot of the work will centralize from doing to maintaining the things that do them. Think smiths vs. factories and capital maintenance.
>>821634>men and their violent tendenciesWomen can have violent tendencies too, but it's far less prevalent as with hetmoids
>>821668In the west, maybe, but there's more women in science in Eastern European countries because of the communist idea of getting everyone involved in helping the proletarian cause
>>821671/nuleftism/: the real problem woth the world is the violent crime rate, the only problem with the world is that the lowlifes aren't docile enough!
Literally just the ideology of the elite. Fucking cancer.
>>821668It takes fewer technicians to replace the operational guys. The machine does the all work plus the maintenance equals fewer wagies. Also, the relative ease of doing the work keeps getting easier so eventually the technicians get replaced by women who will gossip at the work place. That's when the men get kicked out.
>>821666DYOR with the key names involved
>>821676again, your description of this fantasy is more fixated on the steps of kicking out the men out of the job market, the sweet part to you. not on how to be actually getting the women in.
do you really see some future where you can convince enough women to work maintaining the machines, and the machines that maintain the machines? and the machines that maintain the machines that maintain you get it. it all feels idealistic more than a prediction, like those agarthan wheat farm edits.
some utopia where all the bad elemants are wiped out and its only good aesthetics from here, but instead of blacks its hairy ugly men lol
>>821671Shouldnt be surprising that a thread dedicated to gender idpol is full of liberals.
>>821680>again, your description of this fantasy is more fixated on the steps of kicking out the men out of the job market, the sweet part to you. not on how to be actually getting the women in."Fantasy", "sweet part", "fixated" lolwut? It's just a prediction, relax. Look at this if you want the people that hate men and find it "sweet"
>>821679 >>821666Women don't need to be convinced to do easy meaningful work, they just do it if they get it. It's a place to hang out and chat, and do the real stuff.
>do you really see some future where you can convince enough women to work maintaining the machines,Yeah, they're working touchscreen smart dashboards with charts and sliders and alert sounds.
>some utopia where all the bad elemants are wiped out and its only good aesthetics from here, but instead of blacks its hairy ugly men lolNo, the men are out in the field comparing sports cards or talking about how they almost made the selection into the team when they were younger or sharing racist ragebait to each other without getting offended about it.
>>82167190% of violence comes from the bourgeois you dumb edgy fuck
>>820736
>male reactionaries are bad for wanting to nuke the earth just because they are starving for pussy>I know! lets take even more of the pussy away! that will show themno thanks, I will break the system with my luddite incel brotherhood and return the world to primitive hell communism, then we will rape for 10000 years. don't like it? let this be a lesson to not take the pussy away.
>>821709Well that was disgusting.
>>821754>>male reactionaries are bad for wanting to nuke the earth just because they are starving for pussy>>I know! lets take even more of the pussy away! that will show them>no thanks, I will break the system with my luddite incel brotherhood and return the world to primitive hell communism, then we will rape for 10000 years. don't like it? let this be a lesson to not take the pussy away.Are you another queer? Why do you want to misinterpret things to try to wedge Alana's incels into everything?
>>821722You unironically
>>821741 because you want to represent women
>>821754Chuddite = chud + luddite
They're all male kick me sign idpols that have been coming out since 2010s
>>821778Wish they would drop the phone and computer if they're le epic luddite
>>821784>Wish they would drop the phone and computer if they're le epic ludditeThe logic behind that is reactionary so they shouldn't either
Anyone here lurks r/menslib subreddit? What are your thought on it?
>>820722>The left who is that
>despising mendoes "the left", whoever they are, do that? if a person on "the left" doesnt do that do they no longer count as "the left"
i am so tired of this retarded way of talking about polytricks
>>824112No but it sounds like a cope
>>824115>>The left >who is thatYeah, that's a really good question. Who is the left? Ask that about the right too. What is that even?
>>despising men>does "the left", whoever they are, do that?A lot of that is happening, haven't you heard?
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