How is it possible that you guys do NOTHING all the time. Fascists get people in power, liberals get people in power, you don't do anything. Has any progress whatsoever been made since the 80s? You say you want to organize but I don't ever see it, you don't even have an online presence. This site is like the only communist discussion site out there and it has barely any users. What do communist orgs irl do? All I see is a variety of small parties that spend all their time arguing with each other. A lot of you call yourselves anti-fascists but what do you do to stop them? I have seen nothing. Not a single fascist has been killed by a communist in the past 30 years. While they shoot up islands, detonate bombs in daycare centers, and groom children into murdering their classmates you sit back and do nothing to stop them.
This is the anarchist board, if you have a beef with communists, direct it to
>>>/leftypol/.
>This site is like the only communist discussion site out there
These days I doubt it even cracks the top 100
>>826190hitomi.la
akuma.moe
okioto.net
missav.ws
e621.net
doing a revolution < gooning to BBC all day
you are free to join the something-doers liberal and fascists any time
>>826196yeah i hear those guys make the trains run on time. wish there were some trains around here…
>>826198>they're already in powerThere are 0 fascist countries
>>826201There are 0 countries
>>826201The USA is arguably well on its way. That being said, you don't need to have fascist countries for there to be fascists in power within those countries.
>>826221Trump is orange hotler and maga are basicaly the nsdap were already their lol
>>826227>>826231You don't have any response beyond the ridicule of someone making a simple observation. As if to say "You are a fool for pointing out something that is plainly obvious".
>>826231kinda actually. yeah. hitler loved deporting people to countries he planned on invading and enslaving. and he loved getting help from capitalist corporations like IBM, Thyssen Krup, IG Farben ,and Ford.
>>826231Person who made this image is too lost in the sauce. Like this rhetoric worked when Trump wasn't actually doing anything and you could retort with "oh, so you think it's fascist when you say mean things"? ICE is an actual paramilitary force carrying out extrajudicial detentions and killing randos. Maybe it's not literal fascism but it does not sound as ridiculous as you wish it did lol.
>>826201USA, Honduras, Peru, Japan, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt
>>826190being serious for a second, i'm in this explicitly communist discord sever (that i've never posted in admittedly lol) that has 60k users. leftypol has a few hundred real regulars at most. i would be very surprised if there aren't close to a hundred sites sitting in that intermediate zone.
>>826259
So what? Liberals exterminated plenty of people. Fascists are scapegoats.
>>826175>You say you want to organizeI would NEVER say that. If the working class wants to organize itself, like Marx said, good for them, but they haven't done that in 150 years so no reason to think they would.
>>826259
a lot of people here really want to pretend liberals didnt start a literal racial supremacist genocide less than 5 years ago lol
fuck off
>>826302
>does burger hall putch
>historical looting of the treasury
>develops police force made up of the dregs of society
>stands before the UN calling for the extermination of another nation
If not fascist, then what is it?
>>826302
>Ridiculing silly opinions is a good thing. The word "fascist" has lost all meaning. It has metastasized into an insult used by activists for things they don't like.
Yeah man, again, the point is that this talking point that sounded good in 2016 rings hollow now that "things they don't like" means genocide and extrajudicial killings. No one cares that much about whether that meets every point of the definition of fascism.
>No, it isn't. ICE is a branch of law enforcement that belongs to the US federal government.
That doesn't make it not paramilitary. SWAT is also paramilitary.
>>826175>Has any progress whatsoever been made since the 80s? China is a superpower now.
>>826332China won't stop trading with israel for a single hour
>>826347Couldnt care less.
Yahh go fk yourself
>>826175 dooming faggots like you will be cannibalized after the revolution no fascists are not gaining power and the liberals have held power for the last 200 years? tell me about the progress any revolutionary ideology has made since the coldwar (before for utopian socialists because they got raped pre cold war)? this site doesn't even discuss communsim all that much and orgs like the fucking acp are organizing sucessfully and why would we stop fascists from being more than pedophilic psychopaths?
>>826307>The very first thing you got wrong is that you won't even try to explain what fascism isI've explained to you what it's not. Explain to me what it is.
>>826308>i doubt your comparison holds up under closer scrutinyScrutinize it.
>what is your conclusion from that?The USSR carried out population transfers and sough help from multinational capitalist corporations and states.
>>826309>No one cares that much about whether that meets every point of the definition of fascismIf definitions don't matter words become pointless.
>>826309You don't know what that word means, just like you don't know what the word "fascism" means.
>SWAT is also paramilitary.No, it isn't.
>>826307>extrajudicial kidnappings, deportations, terror, and murder are all actually "socialist" thingsThe dictatorship of the proletariat does all these things against the so-called counterrevolutionary elements.
>>826381 Dictatorships of *The Party* do these things.
Activism. Not even once.
>>826383No, the dictatorship of the proletariat does that. Engels is very clear on this.
<The people's state has been flung in our teeth ad nauseam by the anarchists, although Marx's anti-Proudhon piece and after it the Communist Manifesto declare outright that, with the introduction of the socialist order of society, the state will dissolve of itself and disappear. Now, since the state is merely a transitional institution of which use is made in the struggle, in the revolution, to keep down one's enemies by force, it is utter nonsense to speak of a free people's state; so long as the proletariat still makes use of the state, it makes use of it, not for the purpose of freedom, but of keeping down its enemies and, as soon as there can be any question of freedom, the state as such ceases to exist.>Engels to August Bebel In Zwickauhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/letters/75_03_18.htm
<Why do the anti-authoritarians not confine themselves to crying out against political authority, the state? All Socialists are agreed that the political state, and with it political authority, will disappear as a result of the coming social revolution, that is, that public functions will lose their political character and will be transformed into the simple administrative functions of watching over the true interests of society. But the anti-authoritarians demand that the political state be abolished at one stroke, even before the social conditions that gave birth to it have been destroyed. They demand that the first act of the social revolution shall be the abolition of authority. Have these gentlemen ever seen a revolution? A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?<Therefore, either one of two things: either the anti-authoritarians don't know what they're talking about, in which case they are creating nothing but confusion; or they do know, and in that case they are betraying the movement of the proletariat. In either case they serve the reaction.>On Authorityhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm>>826385Anti-fascist activism is for pathetic shitlibs. Fascism is bad because it's class collaborationist, not because muh hecking killing and deportations.
>>826389>Anti-fascist activism is for pathetic shitlibsYou're either a closet fascist or a useful idiot. Fascists are anti-revolutionary and must die. There should always be resistance to them, the problem with liberals is that they think holding signs is as effective as bullets.
>>826557You're talking to a fascist concern troll, most likely the OP of the thread. Notice how they refuse to define fascism, and when confronted with examples they will just go on to say that actually socialist countries did all that. The only thing left was for them to samefag as a Leftcom flag, but it seems that they already did that here
>>826385.
>>826194<MSG<not linking the communist tagweak post. 5/10
>>826557>Fascists are anti-revolutionaryWrong. Fascism is revolutionary, but in the polar opposite direction of Communism. Communists seek to abolish class as a social relation, while Fascists seek to unify class under a single, overarching identity.
Because of its brute-forcing of class collaboration, contradictions in Fascist societies manifest through the bourgeoisie cannibalizing itself. Antagonisms thus shift towards polycratic infighting and permanent enemy manufacturing. It is thus no coincidence that Nazi Germany, while not Fascist in the Italian sense, sacrificed its own Jewish bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie to advance accumulation. Read Auschwitz, or the Great Alibi.
>the problem with liberals is that they think holding signs is as effective as bulletsAttacking the ideal of Fascism without addressing the material conditions that makes Fascism attractive in the first place is shitlib activism with guns. You are basically attacking the symptom, not the disease, while also finding common-ground with liberal reformists.
>>826597>Notice how they refuse to define fascism, and when confronted with examples they will just go on to say that actually socialist countries did all that.Another retard that thinks Fascism = Authoritarianism.
>samefagNope.
>>826606Thank you for your comments, President Reddit.
>>826638>Wrong. Fascism is revolutionary, but in the polar opposite direction of Communism. Communists seek to abolish class as a social relation, while Fascists seek to unify class under a single, overarching identity. >Because of its brute-forcing of class collaboration, contradictions in Fascist societies manifest through the bourgeoisie cannibalizing itself. Antagonisms thus shift towards polycratic infighting and permanent enemy manufacturing. It is thus no coincidence that Nazi Germany, while not Fascist in the Italian sense, sacrificed its own Jewish bourgeoisie and petite bourgeoisie to advance accumulation. Read Auschwitz, or the Great Alibi.You'll say this and then you will deny that this is happening at all as it happens right before our eyes in the USA and expect anyone to take you seriously. I mean, you have perfectly described what is going on in the USA right now. Nobody in this thread has provided greater evidence for fascism in the USA than you. The ruling class is frothing at the mouth to try and manufacture enemies, whether it's "Islamic Terrorism", "Communists", "Antifa", "China", it just doesn't end. The DSA is poised to keep the petite bourgeois in line through concessions (See: Mamdani) while Trump sacrifices that class that voted for him so that he, multinational oil companies, AI companies, and defense contractors can better profit from arms sales from the war and increased oil prices and from building data centers at the expense of the rest of the economy and the health and standard of living of the rest of the country. You are so incredibly stupid and malicious that it's astounding.
>>826644>says a whole bunch of nothingThere is no revolution that is seriously poised to overthrow the United States and brute-force class collaboration.
>The ruling class is frothing at the mouth to try and manufacture enemies>The DSA is poised to keep the petite bourgeois in line through concessions (See: Mamdani) while Trump sacrifices that class that voted for him so that he, multinational oil companies, AI companies, and defense contractors can better profit from arms sales from the war and increased oil prices and from building data centers at the expense of the rest of the economy and the health and standard of living of the rest of the country. What does any of this have to do with Fascism? Fascism is when you manufacture enemies and build data centers? The American labor aristocracy will be fine, don't worry.
>>826650You are a dumb moron who accuses everyone else of making vacuous statements while simultaneously deflating the points you just made for the sake of being contradictory.
>Fascism is when you manufacture enemies?YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT YOU IDIOT
>>826655>YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT YOU IDIOTNo, that's a symptom of class conflict that is only accelerated by Fascism's brute-forcing of class collaboration. Manufacturing enemies is not exclusive to Fascism, and I never said it was. AES and liberal states do the same thing. You're just being pedantic.
>>826657>I never saidYou're not saying anything at all. This entire argument is you saying something then saying you never said it. You're a troll who thinks he's being very clever or an actual Left communist retard.
>>826658Show me where I said it then. Direct quote please. To recap, this was my very concise definition of Fascism:
>>826638<Fascism is revolutionary, but in the polar opposite direction of Communism. Communists seek to abolish class as a social relation, while Fascists seek to unify class under a single, overarching identity. OP here, this thread proves my point. All I see are you idiots arguing with each other.
>>826606You're the only one who actually responded with something real. Although I would like to see some examples of your city bashing the fash.
>>826661Why should one legitimize a rotten, criminal system by taking part in it?
>>826660This is your dumbest argument yet.
>seek to unify class under a single, overarching identity.This is precisely what led to the election of Trump and sits at the core of all his policies and actions. The administration is trying to purge the country of anything "non-American", going so far as to label opponents of this identity as terrorists who want to destroy America so as to establish a christian white identity that is based on a fantastical imagined and glorified history of white Americans, precisely what the Nazis and ᴉuᴉlossnW tried to do by mythologizing the past of their respective nations. In fact, this has been going on since at least the mid 20th century, so to try and deny that there is no "revolution poised to overthrow the United States and brute-force class collaboration" when there was a literal coup attempt 5 years ago to do just that is pure insanity.
>>826661You're a moron. You admit that you don't even know what leftist organizations do, don't even bother to go out and see for yourself, then you call the people who point this out for you idiots. All you're actually asking for is for people to dox themselves. Do you think we're that stupid?
>>826663>This is precisely what led to the election of Trump and sits at the core of all his policies and actions. Trump's election was revolutionary, dismantled the American system, and unified its classes. Really?
>The administration is trying to purge the country of anything "non-American", going so far as to label opponents of this identity as terrorists who want to destroy America so as to establish a christian white identity that is based on a fantastical imagined and glorified history of white Americans, precisely what the Nazis and ᴉuᴉlossnW tried to do by mythologizing the past of their respective nations.Moralfagging. Also, has nothing to do with Fascism.
>so to try and deny that there is no "revolution poised to overthrow the United States and brute-force class collaboration"There is no Fascist revolution. You're describing an ostensible Bonapartist consolidation by a liberal capitalist regime in histrionic, alarmist terms. You American labor aristocrats are fine.
>there was a literal coup attempt 5 years ago to do just that is pure insanityFake partisan outrage. Imagine thinking that was real, and not a bunch of US military psyop spooks.
>>826670>Fascism is when fascists try to establish a single overarching identity <You mean like what they're doing right now?>That's not what Fascism isThe funny part is you have no idea how stupid you really are.
>>826671><You mean like what they're doing right now?Except they're (1) not really doing that, (2) not overhauling the political economy to effectuate class collaboration, and (3) not revolutionary.
>>826672Of course, nobody is doing anything and nothing ever happens. Fascism is not real, and perhaps it never was real. Your post isn't really real, now that I think about it.
>>826673Are you female by any chance?
>>826674You hate women too, how surprising.
>>826675I'm taking that as a yes, lol.
>>826675Can you step on my cock and call me a fascist misogynist?
>>826674Incredibly embarrassing response, I thought this site had a rule against minors posting
>>826644I think fascism in the US takes teh form of like libertarianism, but it's not full on fascism as a result of that.
what exactly do you want me to do about these problems, put on my superman costume and lift the statue of liberty over my head and throw it at the white house and blow it up and give all the fascists a good spanking and put them in jail? and what good will having "online presence" do, everyone and their fucking brother has online presence these days sitting around all day projectile vomiting every inane braindead notion that pops into their head into this vast ocean of reeking puke we call "culture", if you ask me we have too much fucking online presence, the last thing we need is more online presence. you know what i'm doing about the world's problems? nothing. that's what you do when you have no control and you're totally out of your depth and you don't understand the situation at all, you do nothing - stop, think, observe, plan. you never just go off half-cocked and do something just to feel like you are doing something, that's childish and stupid.
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