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What was marxism like before it was taken over by nationalist third-worlders?

>taken over by nationalist third-worlders?
You mean liberal, treatlerite, Western activists?

what was your life like before you decided to make this thread every day?

>>826885
>liberal, treatlerite, Western activists?
yes, that is actually what marxism started out like. or did you think marx hated treats?



A house may be large or small; as long as the neighboring houses are likewise small, it satisfies all social requirement for a residence. But let there arise next to the little house a palace, and the little house shrinks to a hut. The little house now makes it clear that its inmate has no social position at all to maintain, or but a very insignificant one; and however high it may shoot up in the course of civilization, if the neighboring palace rises in equal or even in greater measure, the occupant of the relatively little house will always find himself more uncomfortable, more dissatisfied, more cramped within his four walls. An appreciable rise in wages presupposes a rapid growth of productive capital. Rapid growth of productive capital calls forth just as rapid a growth of wealth, of luxury, of social needs and social pleasures. Therefore, although the pleasures of the labourer have increased, the social gratification which they afford has fallen in comparison with the increased pleasures of the capitalist, which are inaccessible to the worker, in comparison with the stage of development of society in general. Our wants and pleasures have their origin in society; we therefore measure them in relation to society; we do not measure them in relation to the objects which serve for their gratification. Since they are of a social nature, they are of a relative nature.

  • Karl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital (1847), Chapter 6


The thoughts of every piece of private property as such are at least turned against richer private property in the form of envy and the desire to level everything down; hence these feelings in fact constitute the essence of competition. The crude communist is merely the culmination of this envy and desire to level down on the basis of a preconceived minimum. It has a definite, limited measure. How little this abolition of private property is a true appropriation is shown by the abstract negation of the entire world of culture and civilization, and the return to the unnatural simplicity of the poor, unrefined man who has no needs and who has not yet even reached the stage of private property, let alone gone beyond it. (For crude communism) the community is simply a community of labor and equality of wages, which are paid out by the communal capital, the community as universal capitalist. Both sides of the relation are raised to an unimaginary universality – labor as the condition in which everyone is placed and capital as the acknowledged universality and power of the community. […] The first positive abolition of private property – crude communism – is therefore only a manifestation of the vileness of private property trying to establish itself as the positive community. […] By reducing the worker's needs to the paltriest minimum necessary to maintain his physical existence and by reducing his activity to the most abstract mechanical movement. In so doing, the political economist declares that man has no other needs, either in the sphere of activity or in that of consumption. For even this life he calls human life and human existence. By taking as his standard – his universal standard, in the sense that it applies to the mass of men – the worst possible state of privation which life (existence) can know. He turns the worker into a being with neither needs nor senses and turn the worker's activity into a pure abstraction from all activity. Hence any luxury that the worker might enjoy is reprehensible, and anything that goes beyond the most abstract need – either in the form of passive enjoyment or active expression – appears to him as a luxury.

  • Karl Marx, Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, Third Manuscript, Private Property and Labor (1844)

>>826890
>marx hated treats?
Marx was a hideous treaterlite living off Engels that married into the Prussian elite aristocracy (Jenny von Westphalen). He also had painful boils on his ass and cock because the nasty ass uygha would never shower.
He was also a deadbeat, cheating husband. Marx had a longtime sexual affair with his maid (Helene Demuth), got the bitch pregnant, and then manipulated Engels into raising the illegitimate child (Frederick Demuth). Deadbeat ass dad Marx did literally nothing to support his son.
Thankfully, he and Engels developed some sick ass theories, so Marx being a disgusting slob wasn't all in vain.

hipster and gay, or french which is worse.

>>826892
damn it, I love that movie.


>>826891
even if all that were true (some of it is disputed), it doesn't really say anything about marx's economic and political ideas. it's merely a personal attack. thank you for reminding me why all my writing is anonymous. because if it weren't people would stop trying to refute me and simply heap rumors on my life and try to dig up my past.

genuinely what do you propose for people living in third world countries? to just give up? bc how is wanting to build socialism in your country "nationalism"

>>826907
OP is trolling. Also Marx was not dismissive of the revolution starting on a national level before becoming international. See his 10 points from Chapter 2 of the Manifesto. It reads like a 10 point plan for particular nations. People confuse "nationalism" (term for conservative reactionary national chauvinism) with "nationalism" (term for for national liberation movement of the colonial countries to become independent)


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