/siberia/ - Off-topic

I wouldn't say all of them are pedos but if there is an overrepresentation it's probably a strategic one: Kiddy diddlers want to diddle kids therefore they gravitate toward activities granting contact, influence and/or authority toward childrens. That's why you end up with lots of pedos among priests, teachers, daycare professionals and so on and so forth.

>>828702
>strategic one
What if that stuff is spammed to salt image boards as illegal DoS and other social shit?

>>828705
Either that or stigma associated with 4chan history and all imageboards by extenson lead CP makers to beleive there is a market to profit from.

personally i'm sick of the nonstop discussion of diddybluds
>hurr durr then u must be a diddyblud
nope but it is really tiresome to hear nonstop 24/7 diddyblud hysteria. all the wind has been sucked out of diddyblud accusations because literally everyone on the internet accuses each other of being diddybluds nonstop.

I just think people that actively want to be famous/celebrities are more often than not shitheels with cluster b characteristics. You see the same thing happen in music scenes all the time where xyz musician is found out to be a sexual predator of somekind.

Imagine going circles in definitions because you don't believe in objective morals.

>>828731
i want to be rich and famous and have 300 male servants and 300 female servants. cani still be socialist?

>>828699
Once a steamer gets enough attention they think they have power

>>828754
>Once a steamer gets enough attention they think they have power
And then like magic the kids appear

>>828755
I saw a drdisrecpt roast doc on youtube and the dude was sexting up underage trans girls the second he was big enough
Also dude was married and apologized to his viewers for cheating on his wife not even to her rude as hell

>>828760
>sexting up underage trans girls
Whaaaatt

>>828760
>underage trans girls
Why does this thing exist?

>>828775
Everyone's underage at some point in their lives

>>828779
You're doing that one right-wing meme about how leftists constantly feign ignorance. How are children capable of deciding that they're "transgender?"

This is very clearly a fleshtuber problem. Plenty of streamers just use their voice or a talksprite/vtuber rig and turn out fine, whereas the only fleshtuber I've seen that has managed to retain a semblance of sanity is Jerma985.
>How can it be stopped?
Use facial recognition to alert moderators a face is in video / stream, and if they determine it's the actual channel owner's face, nuke them. This wouldn't eliminate abuse, but it would cut it down by like 99%.

>>828783
How are they not? You think people are incapable of understanding anything before they're 18 years old lol

>>828789
>How are they not?
So you think a 10-year-old has the faculties to make a life-altering, potentially permanent decision?

>>828791
Either something is permanent or it's not lol.

Yes I think ten year olds should be able to decide to socially transition and get puberty blockers.

Why do you keep making /isg/ threads on siberia every third day?

>>828792
>Either something is permanent or it's not lol.
Not really. Socially identifying as the opposite "gender" (gender identity doesn't exist btw) is obviously reversible; taking a pharmaceutical concoction of puberty blockers and hormone-replacing drugs is not.
>Yes I think ten year olds should be able to decide to socially transition and get puberty blockers.
Even though a child's prefrontal cortex, which controls long-term planning and emotional self-regulation, has not been fully developed? Children say dumb things. When I was 10, I wanted to be a cop. Should my parents have immediately enrolled me into the police academy?

>>828791
>think a 10-year-old has the faculties to make a life-altering, potentially permanent decision?
NTA but the problem is that a life-altering, permanent decision is made for them regardless. Puberty blockers can delay that decision by a little bit, but not every teen is taking puberty blockers.

10 year olds do not have the mental faculties to determine that they are cisgender or transgender. Unless you are advocating for universal, mandatory puberty blockers, then you're not making a real argument here.

>>828803
>that neurological maturation must be complete
Plus the "the brain becomes a concrete brick at 26" thing is a myth. A brain that is alive is a brain that is developing.

capitalism rewards that kind of behavior

>>828802
>the problem is that a life-altering, permanent decision is made for them regardless
Puberty isn't a "decision," it's a biological process that everyone goes through. The question is whether the intervening in a child's natural biological process is medically justified (it isn't).
>Puberty blockers can delay that decision by a little bit
Totally false. There is evidence that puberty blockers causes significant and often irreversible damage, particularly with regards to bone density, fertility, and brain development.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/tonic-psh-consultation-analysis-report.pdf
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39245338/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38334046/
>Unless you are advocating for universal, mandatory puberty blockers, then you're not making a real argument here.
False dilemma. Medicine rarely works by universal mandates.
>>828803
Strawman. A 10-year-old may have the faculties to choose what to eat or whether to join a soccer team. That doesn't mean they have the faculties to authorize a medical intervention with potentially irreversible long-term effects.
>>828805
Another strawman, and also a red herring. If brain development is continuous, then brain capacity is also on a continuum. The fact that the brain doesn't stop developing at age 26 doesn’t mean a 10-year-old has adult-like capacity.

>>828811
Okay so you admit that there is urgency that even puberty blockers can't solve, and 10-year olds don't have the brain capacity to determine that they are cisgender.

You haven't purposed any other solutions.

>>828817
You're trying to justify interventionism in an individual that cannot consent to it. That has to be justified. Puberty is naturally occurring and is not something that's there to be justified because it happens on it's own when it's not interrupted.

>>828791
It’s literally never 10 year olds lol this is just another situation where a reactionary makes up a stupid ass scapegoat. 12/13 is when puberty happens and when minors start developing sexual thoughts and yes le scary gender thoughts.
Minors are not the property of their parents they deserve bodily autonomy poopchud read some fuckin theory

>>828823
>read some fuckin theory
What if the theory is shit

>>828817
>you admit that there is urgency
No, I have not. There is no "urgency."
>You haven't purposed any other solutions.
The solution is don't serve children a concoction of life-altering drugs. There is very little evidence that so-called "gender-affirming care" for children is beneficial.

Current Concerns About Gender-Affirming Therapy in Adolescents
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11930-023-00358-x
<Systematic reviews of evidence conducted by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, and England concluded that the risk/benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable. As a result, there has been a shift from “gender-affirmative care,” which prioritizes access to medical interventions, to a more conservative approach that addresses psychiatric comorbidities and psychotherapeutically explores the developmental etiology of the trans identity. Debate about the safety and efficacy of “gender-affirming care” in the USA is only recently emerging.
<The question, “Do the benefits of youth gender transitions outweigh the risks of harm?” remains unanswered because of a paucity of follow-up data. The conclusions of the systematic reviews of evidence for adolescents are consistent with long-term adult studies, which failed to show credible improvements in mental health and suggested a pattern of treatment-associated harms. Three recent papers examined the studies that underpin the practice of youth gender transition and found the research to be deeply flawed. Evidence does not support the notion that “affirmative care” of today’s adolescents is net beneficial. Questions about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-dysphoric youth generated an intensity of divisiveness within and outside of medicine rarely seen with other clinical uncertainties. Because the future well-being of young patients and their families is at stake, the field must stop relying on social justice arguments and return to the time-honored principles of evidence-based medicine.

Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People
https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20250310143933/https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
<The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
<The use of masculinising/feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
<Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
<For the majority of young people, a medical pathway may not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.

>>828823
>mmm, it's ackshually 12-years-old-, not 10-years-old, you reactionary chuddy-chud-chud
OK, so you think a 12-year-old has the faculties to make a life-altering, potentially permanent decision?

>>828783
>You're doing that one right-wing meme about how leftists constantly feign ignorance
no they're not, that anon understood your posts just fine. your cognition is seemingly based around parroting twitter posts and it's inhibiting your ability to talk to other people, you should either fix that or kill yourself.

>>828827
>that anon understood your posts just fine
He did not.
>parroting twitter posts
I've so far posted five academic studies to support my claims, while all you've done is whine and cry about MUH REACTIONARIES like a little bitch.

>>828830
Do you think children should have the ability to consent to sex, contracts, tattoos, and/or military service?

>>828837
>You're conflating three different claims: whether GnRH suppression itself is reversible, whether prolonged suppression can have adverse effects, and whether an adolescent can have decision-making capacity.
Nope, this is a sleight of hand. I've been fairly consistent. The distinction is between the reversibility of the suppressing puberty and the reversibility of the developmental consequences of that suppression.
>There are legitimate risks and uncertainties, particularly concerning bone mineral density.
>It explicitly concluded that no conclusions could be drawn about cognitive development.
Are you dumb? You're proving my point. The evidence is so weak it fails to meet the basic ethical standard for medical intervention. These are big question marks that need answering if you're going to drugging children to affirm a potential temporary delusion.
>Long-term studies of GnRH agonists in precocious puberty also provide evidence that reproductive function can recover after treatment:
Central precocious puberty (CPP) is a condition in which a child's hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal (HPG) axis activates abnormally early. In the case of "gender" dysphoria, puberty blockers are used to suppress normal, healthy puberty because the child's "gender identity" is apparently incompatible with their sex. The biological context is entirely different. In CPP, the gonads are mature for the child's age but are being prematurely activated. In the so-called "transgender children," their gonads are immature and still developing.
Besides, even the studies you cite have their own limitations. Did you even read them?
Kim (2015):
<Studies of the psychosocial effects on CPP patients after GnRHa treatment are very limited.
Thornton et al. (2014):
<Evidence is currently insufficient to identify agent-specific differences in outcomes, reproductive function, and health of offspring.
Thus, your invocation of CPP itself does not provide robust evidence of preserved fertility. It provides weak, uncertain evidence from a completely different population.
Besides, why are you citing studies about CPP when we have perfectly good ones about transgenders?
Histological markers of testicular health and spermatogenesis in transgender adolescent girls following puberty suppression and subsequent gender-affirming hormone therapy
https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0110/abstracts/oral-communications/oral-communications-16-reproductive-and-developmental-endocrinology-part-2/ea0110oc165/
<Results: As expected, most participants showed spermatogenic arrest at orchidectomy, although full spermatogenesis was observed in a small minority, all treated with CA. All but one had spermatogonial stem cells. A disconnected α-SMA staining pattern and (moderately or severely) increased BMT, both likely indicating testicular damage, were observed in 49,3% and 55,2%, respectively. MJS inversely correlated with BMT. GnRHa were associated with a more immature testicular morphology when compared to CA.
<Conclusion: Long-term puberty suppression and subsequent GAHT induces testicular immaturity and spermatogenic arrest in most trans girls. It may in addition cause testicular damage, visible as increased BMT, which adversely correlates with MJS.
Advancing the Practice of Pediatric Psychology with Transgender Youth: State of the Science, Ongoing Controversies, and Future Directions
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5969520/pdf/nihms935487.pdf
<Treatment with GnRHa during theearly stages of puberty suspends germ cell maturation and limits fertility preservation options (Johnson et al., 2017). Youth who initiate GAH concurrently with GnRHa or prior to discontinuing GnRHa will not have the opportunity to pursue non-experimental oocyte or sperm cryopreservation. While procedures exist to preserve prepubertal ovarian or testicular tissue, these fertility preservation techniques are considered experimental and must be conducted within the confines of an approved IRB protocol (Johnson et al., 2017), thus limiting access to care.
>And “the prefrontal cortex isn't fully developed” is not an argument that automatically establishes medical incapacity. Medical decision-making capacity is assessed according to the particular decision: whether the person can understand relevant information, appreciate consequences, reason about alternatives, and communicate a choice.
And? You're attacking a claim nobody has made. Children and adolescents typically over-weigh short-term benefits and under-weigh long-term risks.
>There is also research specifically examining decision-making competence in transgender adolescents. In a study of 74 adolescents aged 10–18, 93.2% were judged competent by clinical assessment and 89.2% by the MacCAT-T assessment. This obviously does not mean every 10- or 12-year-old is competent, but it does demonstrate that incomplete prefrontal development is not a substitute for actually assessing capacity.
This is a massive overstatement. The MacCAT-T was designed for adults with psychiatric conditions, not children or adolescents. So you're already basing your conclusions off of the improper methodology. Indeed, the studies of MacCAT-T assessments are very inconsistent, particularly with regards to the "appreciation" portions of the test, i.e., the ability to grasp the medical treatment's significance on their lives. The 89% figure simply means that 89% of the adolescents scored as 'competent' on the test; that doesn't mean they genuinely appreciate the lifelong consequences of their actions. The MacCAT-T also doesn't account for things like values and emotions, factors which highly influences someone's decision to "transition."
Surprise, surprise, children and teenagers have a very poor understanding of the consequences of their actions:
The mature minor: some critical psychological reflections on the empirical bases
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23615057/
<subsequent psychological studies have shown that minors generally fail to have realistic affective and evaluative appreciations of the consequences of their decisions, because they tend to over-emphasize short-term benefits and underestimate long-term risks. Also, unlike most decisionmakers over 21, the decisions of minors are more often marked by the lack of adequate impulse control, all of which is reflected in the far higher involvement of adolescents in acts of violence, intentional injury, and serious automobile accidents. These effects are more evident in circumstances that elicit elevated affective responses. The advent of brain imaging has allowed the actual visualization of qualitative differences between how minors versus persons over the age of 21 generally assess risks and benefits and make decisions. In the case of most under the age of 21, subcortical systems fail adequately to be checked by the prefrontal systems that are involved in adult executive decisions.
By the way, the very same researchers you're citing, Vrouenraets, et al., qualified their findings, and they undermine your position:
Medical decision-making competence regarding puberty suppression: perceptions of transgender adolescents, their parents and clinicians
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36115898/
<According to international transgender care guidelines, transgender adolescents should have medical decision-making competence (MDC) to start puberty suppression (PS) and halt endogenous pubertal development. However, MDC is a debated concept in adolescent transgender care and little is known about the transgender adolescents', their parents', and clinicians' perspectives on this. Increasing our understanding of these perspectives can improve transgender adolescent care. A qualitative interview study with adolescents attending two Dutch gender identity clinics (eight transgender adolescents who proceeded to gender-affirming hormones after PS, and six adolescents who discontinued PS) and 12 of their parents, and focus groups with ten clinicians was conducted. From thematic analysis, three themes emerged regarding transgender adolescents' MDC to start PS: (1) challenges when assessing MDC, (2) aspects that are considered when assessing MDC, and (3) MDC's relevance. The four criteria one needs to fulfill to have MDC-understanding, appreciating, reasoning, communicating a choice-were all, to a greater or lesser extent, mentioned by most participants, just as MDC being relative to a specific decision and context. Interestingly, most adolescents, parents and clinicians find understanding and appreciating PS and its consequences important for MDC. Nevertheless, most state that the adolescents did not fully understand and appreciate PS and its consequences, but were nonetheless able to decide about PS. Parents' support of their child was considered essential in the decision-making process. Clinicians find MDC difficult to assess and put into practice in a uniform way. Dissemination of knowledge about MDC to start PS would help to adequately support adolescents, parents and clinicians in the decision-making process.
>The Cass Review/NHS position is also being overstated. NHS England restricted routine commissioning of puberty-suppressing hormones because of limited evidence concerning safety, risks, benefits and outcomes. That is a conclusion about the limitations and uncertainty of the evidence; it is not a finding that irreversible brain damage or infertility has been demonstrated.
Not sure how it's being "overstated" when all I did was copy-paste their core findings. The point is that there isn't enough evidence to support prescribing these drugs to children. The Cass Review was unable to rule out harm to brain function and fertility, i.e., the risks are a real issue. Like I said, the evidence is so weak that it fails to meet the basic ethical standard for medical intervention.
>And the Levine & Abbruzzese paper you're citing is their review and interpretation of the evidence, not one of the governmental systematic reviews itself:
Not sure how this changes anything, but OK.
>Finally, “unless you support universal puberty blockers, you don't have an argument” is a non sequitur.
Huh? I know you're using AI to generate these replies (because you're too much of a braindead retard to articulate things on your own), but could you at least verify that your AI isn't hallucinating? I never said this.
>The relevant questions are what the evidence shows about benefits and risks, what criteria are used to select patients, and how uncertainty and decision-making capacity are handled.
Indeed, and the evidence says there cost-benefit of "gender" transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable.

>>828699
Charlie is the only one who is not a pedo

>>828837
The fact that the mods are allowing this blatant AI slop to stand just shows their shitlib idpol biases. Compare my reply to his. Utterly retarded.

>>828858
>The 89% figure simply means that 89% of the adolescents scored as 'competent' on the test; that doesn't mean they genuinely appreciate the lifelong consequences of their actions.
Holy dogshit cope
>The MacCAT-T also doesn't account for things like values and emotions, factors which highly influences someone's decision to "transition."
This decision takes months, if not years, to make.

>>828876
You can tell an LLM to "refute" anything, and it'll half-assedly do it. Just shows your laziness and confirmation bias methinks.
>>828877
>Holy dogshit cope
How is it a cope? Appreciation results on the MacCAT-T for adolescents and children is very inconsistent because it was designed for mentally ill adults. Do you even know what the MacCAT-T is?
>This decision takes months, if not years, to make.
And?

you're assuming it's the internet fame causing the behavior but it seems a lot more likely that the kinds of people who most obsessively pursue internet fame and therefore tend to achieve internet fame just happen to be the same kinds of people who diddle kids or become nazis. it's probably the same reason old media celebrities and billionaires and political leaders also seem to have an unusually high percentage of those kinds of people. as to what precisely that reason is, i suppose the first place to look would be to find the common thread connecting all these different career paths, which is they are all about being seen and liked by as many people as possible by any means necessary, in other words, being a fraud. everybody wants to be seen and liked to a certain extent, nobody wants to be completely shunned by the entire world, and everyone has situations in life where they sort of put on airs or misrepresent themselves a little bit to be seen and liked by other people like an employer or a love interest or a romantic partner's parents, but they don't feel comfortable doing it, it feels phony and unnatural and degrading, so they try to avoid it if they can help it. but some people are just fucked in the head, the part of their psyche that knows what is true and what is right is completely repressed, and that's the part of the psyche that is like the central core of a person's personality - the immutable truths, the things that truly matter most to us and that we are absolutely certain about and never change. when that's gone, the person isn't even really a human being anymore, they're just this hollow automaton driven purely by compulsion, they will say or do or believe anything to get whatever it is they want.

>>828821
Dying of cancer is also natural, restrictions on trans healthcare kills trans kids, end of

>>828941
Kill all gooners and fascism will vanish.

>>828787
I've seen you force this false distinction before but V Tubers are absolutely not immune from this.

>>828735
If I had 300 male servants and 300 female servants I'd make them have sex with each other and I would just watch.

>>828941
Diseases are natural dipshit. I'm gonna assume you're a cis man so let's do a thought experiment, imagine that you started to go through female puberty, your dick starts shrinking and shrivelling up, your balls stop working, you start growing tits and eventually a pussy, how would you feel, horrified right? You'd feel disgusted with yourself and probably suicidal right? Ok, now explain to me why kids should have to go through the same experience against their will because of freaks like you trying to "protect" them? Or are you going to tell me that if the same thing I described above was to happen to you at age 15 or 12 or whatever you wouldn't be bothered by it? You wouldn't have any kind of mental image of the kind of man you want to grow up into and what you're "supposed" to look like? So therefore nobody should do anything to stop the process because otherwise it's woke grooming? Shove your TERF studies up your fucking ass.

>>828726
This. Amerikkkan presidents like Clinton/Trump signed off on the wholesale execution of entire civilian population centers, men/women/children, by dropping bombs on them, leaving them screaming and on fire in the ruinous rubble of their former homes, and they did all this with the full throated support of the bourgeoisie, and petty bourgeoisie, and much of the rest of the population as well, but I'm supposed to be more offended by the frankly boring and obvious fact that these men were also diddybluds who did diddyblud shit on diddyblud island? Wow the 16/17 year old white daughters of the bourgeoisie were blue chip prostitutes on an island. how scandalous. So much more scandalous than the slaughter and starvation of entire nations by the bloodthirsty imperialists.

>>828941
BBLanon, you really gotta stop spamming this generic chick everywhere.

>>828981
Pretty sure it wasn't the daughters of the bourgeois who were getting preyed on.

Yes obviously imperialism is worse than Epstein island, but make hay while the sun shines, if that's what will make people hate the elites I'll take it

>>828983
>Pretty sure it wasn't the daughters of the bourgeois who were getting preyed on.
in the case of epstein island it absolutely was the wayward children of the rich which is precisely why it got so much more attention than most such cases. If 1000 brown girls get shipped off into sex slavery by some CIA-backed cartel of gaggle of mujahideen, nobody blinks an eye, but let 1000 white girls with valley accents run away from home to have sex with bill clinton on an island for lots of money, and suddenly the entire bourgeoisie media can't shut up for months. If you read the Epstein files they are very particular about these girls needing to be white and upper class. The clientelle were picky and did not want girls they saw as "dirty," "diseased" "poor" and "black". there was even an epstein file where someone said "no n*ggers"

>>828987
White and Californian isn't the same as "daughters of the bourgeois"

>>828988
It's not "the same" but I promise you that Epstein was not cruising the poorest neighborhoods for his victims. Precisely what made him so notorious was that he fed the daughters of petty bourgeois corporate lawyers and single digit millionaires to multimillionaires and billionaires. That is why it was so scandalous in American bourgeois media while the endless trafficking and rape of working class and brown women is "business as usual." Ghislaine and Jeffrey were curating a very particular type of victim for a very particular type of clientele.

>>828890
>Dying of cancer is also natural, restrictions on trans healthcare kills trans kids, end of
You're playing the advocate? Surely no one can be this evil? Get off the kids man.

>>828941
>No, that's called a disease. Comparing cancer to puberty… holy fuck you retards need to die ASAP.
Evil is as evil does.

>>828953
That's transphobic.
>>828978
>Diseases are natural dipshit.
No, dummy. Puberty is a normal developmental stage; cancer is a pathological illness.
>>828982
>BBL goddesses
>generic
Oh hell nah blud

>>828990
I'm a pedophile because I think kids should have control over what happens to their own bodies? Interesting take

>>828993
>ur mature 4 ur age
pedo vibes

>>828994
>kids should only be allowed to do what I think they should do even if it will literally make them kill themselves

very normal non-sicko opinion

>>828993
Erm..? Anon never said anything about pedophilia. Freudian slip?
Why can't you guys just be attracted to voluptuous women?

>>828994
weaponizing pedo claims because someone respects the relationship between doctor and patient is insane

>>828793
You got the wrong anon I don’t make threads very often.
>>828825
Idk dont read the shit ones
>>828859
Charlie is fine, although he has enlightened centrist views that slip into his videos sometimes
>>828991
Nah you need some more variety why are they all blonde

>>828783
please kill yourself at the earliest convenience
>>828953
yes, and educate children that there is a way to stop and even undo the most horrible and traumatic thing they are experiencing, puberty, so they don't have to find out about the life saving medicine through fucking porn and get programmed to be obedient little sluts for the patriarchal rape machine.

>>829082
>through fucking porn and get programmed to be obedient little sluts for the patriarchal rape machine
Nothing wrong with porn, transgender reactionary chud.

>>829090
your lack of respect for even your own limbic system is the reason the world is dead. we will all feel great when its chars are set alight.

>>829092
Explain to the class where the porn touched you.

>>829093
in the heart

>>829094
Then don't watch it. Silly to get mad at the beautiful women posting their bodies and making bank.

>>829077
>enlightened centrist views that slip into his videos sometimes

I mostly see him defending workers

damn i forgor what the guy on the left side of picrel is called :-/

>>829114
Asmongold

>>829094
>I'm not gay,not a beautiful lady😍🥰
<gayest post imaginable
classic

>>828975
>I've seen you
This is an image board. Don't do the tingnoter thing where you pretend everyanon is one guy, you know that isn't true, as you are yourself a counterexample to that assumption.
>VTubers are absolutely not immune from this.
I already acknowledged this nuance, yet stand by my prior claim that non-fleshtubers are way less likely to end up being like this than fleshtubers.

For every normal fleshtuber, there are thousands of abusive fleshtubers.

For every abusive non-fleshtuber, there is thousands of normal non-fleshtubers.

>>829094
Transitioning could save her

>>829312
yes, probably, but this zaryan made a very pragmatic decision to react against these forces. not everyone has the cojones to beautiful lady😍🥰 out, ironically.

>>830510
Who is that?