>arguing with dad against
>he says people should have billions and trillions because they "earned" it
>he says astronomically rich people like this should be the rulers and make decisions on behalf of everyone else
>he says he wouldn't trust the average person, in a democracy, to make big boy decisions
I do understand what he's saying, but this still isn't in synch with the spirit of democracy.
>>829235I then mentioned the book, "the Servile State" by Belloc to him, explained it in basic terms and he just ignored it
It's obvious he has the "fuck you, got mine" mentality and I don't think he cares to extrapolate more on politics unless it fits within this realm lmao
>>829237Most babyboomers have this mentality.
>>829241
Yes but he's kind of admitting everyone else doesn't matter, which they do.
>BBL poster is an anti-democracy reactionary
I trusted yoy…
I think I'm done talking about politics with boomers they've obviously made up their mind on this. It's not really right and its a perverse way of thinking about our society but it is what is.
If we're allowing unequal power in the hands of elites, why bother with democracy? You might as well scrap it.
>>829261>why bother with democracy? You might as well scrap it.You need a illusion of democracy to pacify the masses.
>>829261As long as there are "elites" there is no democracy.
>>829264They matter as the internal organs but not necessarily the brain
I assume he thinks that why he deserves to be rich,or else he's just a cuck
>>829295Sure, average people matter if they form a unified consciousness and overthrow the current system. In practice, this has basically never happened. All revolutions that have occurred have been bourgeois/vanguard revolutions.
>>829296That is a distinct possibility, a lot of capitalism apologists are just secular calvinists who think they're in the Elect and that there good thoughts will lead to good material outcomes. When this inevitably doesn't happen they just find a scapegoat.
>>829296He isn't even rich by American standards, merely middle class, and he seems to think these super rich folx got where they were by "hard work". When pressed about this, about how almost all of these people had significant help that had nothing to do with them or "their" work he gets flustered and starts yelling down at me trying to correct le record. But we all know there was rarely, if ever, a true rags to riches story.
I don't think I can ever have an honest conversation about politics with this guy, he always tries to find a way out, even with his own son.. It's quite saddening really.
>>829298Right and to imply that any of this was ever democratic or that the avg. person was free in any way, shape, or form is arguing in bad faith.
>>829299 (this was meant for you)
This is precisely how he thinks and when I mention something ever so slight that criticizes whatever he's proposing he will try to sidestrafe around the topic or just ignore me lmao.
>>829316Have you tried hittin him with the ole "do CEOs work harder than construction workers"?
>>829319This is basically father's entire branch of the family, they have a fox news/im witerally wike the guy in wed dawn power fantasy that exists solely in there head and work backwards from that.
>>829324>Have you tried hittin him with the ole "do CEOs work harder than construction workers"?I may have done this before but I don't remember the response, it was probably some copout anyway.
>>829324Yeah he watches FOX News too, there is nothing that I could ever say which would impress upon him concerning these matters
>>829322>to imply that any of this was ever democratic or that the avg. person was free in any way, shape, or form is arguing in bad faithDon't be so vulgar. The average person absolutely has agency. Marx is very clear on this. In reality, most people—especially in the Western developed nations—would rather continue with the current system instead of tearing it down.
>>829328>The average person absolutely has agency. Eh, I don't know, I doubt it. It would take severe chastisement of the population for the avg. person to wake up. Even then they would need to organize around a nexus of not so avg. people for whatever they wish to change.
Trying to argue this shit with a calvinist brainwormed boomer is like trying to plant a banana tree in the sahara desert. Don't waste your time, look for ground where the fruit you're looking to grow will really grow.
>>829333How can you doubt it? People absolutely have agency, otherwise everyone would respond to same material conditions the same way; they obviously don't. People living in the exact same economic or social circumstances make vastly different choices, harbor different values, and forge entirely different paths.
Human agency is mediated by your environment and circumstances, but it absolutely exists nonetheless.
Consider patricide
>>829234>"earned" itelon musk has been alive for ~1.74 billion seconds
elon musk has a net worth of ~1.086 trillion dollars
This means elon musk has roughly $624.14 for every second he has been alive, including all the seconds he was not working, including all the time when he was a baby, or a child, or sleeping, or on drugs, or shitting, etc. if we assume (quite generously!) that he has spent 1/3rd of his waking life, or about 8 hours a day, working, including on weekends, that means he has "earned" $1,872.41 for every second of "work" he has performed. His "work" (owning means of production) is so "valuable" that it "earns" in one second what some of the poorest third worlders being worked to death make in 3 years… Does that make any sense? Does he work that much harder than a child slave in a cobalt mine in Africa?
So according to your cuckold father elon musk works sooooooooooooooooooooooo hard or soooooooooooooooooooo smart that his work deserves roughly 1872 bucks per second. His genius is so invaluable to the world. chuds really believe this.
>>829381It's incredibly disingenuous at best if he's intelligent enough to understand such things, which he is, so I'm just not going to bother arguing anymore with boomers. Simple as!
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