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You will not survive here. I'm one too but mods don't like it at all.

>>830935
I think most of us in here are no-MAPpers

>>830935
I feel like you can't really have hyperempathy for children like a lot of "us" do while being a right-winger, since it's all "protect the children" yet treating them like personal property you can scream at and beat all day is A-ok because it makes them "tough"

>>830939
A lot of right-pedophiles don't have romantic empathy for children, they just feel sexual attraction. The current system where children are taught to be absolutely obedient to "trusted adults" is the perfect recipe for sexual abuse.

>>830940
>The current system where children are taught to be absolutely obedient to "trusted adults" is the perfect recipe for sexual abuse.
It's especially ironic because I'm just some autistic freak who hasn't even interacted with a child in years yet the ones who are actually dangerous are always complete normalfags who groom everyone around them, adults included

go back to the sharty

>>830941
>>830942
People have a completely backwards view of pedophilia where people in respected positions cannot possibly be pedophiles, since pedophiles are like some sort of invasive species. This is also a perfect recipe for sexual abuse, just look at how "shoot your local pedophile" types love Trump. Not that Trump is a pedophile, but certainly participated in child molestation.

People on the left also think this, they think that their groups are somehow pedophile-free, or that schools can possibly be pedophile-free, or whatever else. Mods will ban us in however long and feel satisfied that leftypol.org is now pedophile-free.

>>830944
It's just weird how it's such a meaningless fucking term at this point. It makes me wonder what the materialist explanation for pedohysteria is, because logically it's just another mental disorder that isn't particularly special, and there are practical, systemic solutions for it like most anything, but the very topic seems to make just about everyone short circuit and there's absolutely no room for nuance or compromise even among the "wokest" of radlibs

Then again I told like dozens of people as a teenager and I can't think of a single person who really cared, they mostly found it morbidly amusing or just kinda strange, so this isn't a "pedos are the most opressed minority" thing

>>830948
>logically it's just another mental disorder
Not even. Even DSM-V does not consider pedophilia itself to be a mental disorder. Pedophilic Disorder requires either molestation to occur, or for the subject to feel great personal distress. Most pedophiles who are able to live their lives normally are not disordered, they just have a different sexuality. This is modern consensus, ever since Seto's "Is pedophilia a sexual orientation?"
>there are practical, systemic solutions for it like most anything
But that would mean not considering pedophiles as spawns of Satan, and instead acknowledging it as a real unavoidable social phenomenon, so that's never going to happen.
>even among the "wokest" of radlibs
The "wokest" will say, "I disagree that they should be shot right away. We should offer them castration first, and only if they refuse should they be shot." or some bs.
>>830949
I had a similar experience, I didn't really know what I was feeling, so I would just share memes about sexualizing children like any other teenager sharing sexual jokes. This must have been middle school or early high school, I think people just chalked it up to me being edgy. If, as an adult, I did anything like that, it would be totally different I'm sure.

>>830952
Idk maybe I'm lucky because I've always been a very isolated and reclusive person since as early as I can remember so the obvious ramifications of this don't really bother me but I'll admit sometimes it comes back to bite me and it really hurts. Honestly I "relate" to children more, maybe it's because I'm autistic, "traumatized", or really just mentally 12 for no real reason, but the idea that I'm some deranged, sadistic, hypersexual ticking time bomb is just absurd to me. Also I'm pretty sure pedophilia is not a "bourgeois"/Epstein orientation as is commonly believed, most of "us" are fucking losers like janitors, cashiers, etc. and don't even work with kids

here's a little challenge - actually elaborate on your attraction to children and explain in detail what exactly it is about them that you find attractive, without sounding like a domineering manipulative psychopath

>>830954
Idk, it would be kinda hard to elaborate, but I don't think it's a "domineering manipulative psychopath" thing where I'm just attracted to "corrupting innocence" or something. Little girls just activate my almonds and that's that. I don't place any moral weight on it in either direction because that's kind of just been my reality for the past decade.

>>830955
>it would be kinda hard to elaborate
>Little girls just activate my almonds and that's that

that's that? i assume that you can talk about why you like other things that you like, your favorite foods or music or movies or videogames or hobbies etc. why can't you talk about why you like little girls? what makes this preference of yours so special that you can't talk about or even think about the reasons why you feel this way? if you genuinely believe that it's not wrong and you don't feel ashamed or guilty about it, then why would you have this mental block when it comes to talking about it?

>>830953
I don't see any reason to believe that pedophiles are any more or less successful than average. I know there's some studies which claims pedophiles score less on autism score s, but I think those sorts of studies suffer a lot from how they get their samples. Most of those study either get volunteers or those in jail for sexual crimes. Maybe we are more stupid on average.
>and don't even work with kids
Well, I think pedophiles will be over-represented in things like teaching. Not that that's some super bourgeois position.
It just makes sense to me, I'm not saying that with any study to back it up. Most adults seem to find children borderline evil.
>>830954
Firstly, you should read "Men In Love" by Nancy Friday if you think that men don't generally have that sort of domineering sexual desire.

For me personally, I find their bodies sexually appealing. I also think that girls' voices are nicer, I love hearing girls laugh. I also love how their faces look. I love how blunt they can be. Things like that.
Really its stupid to intellectualize it. Again, if you read Michael Seto's "Is pedophilia a sexual orientation?", trying to explain it is like trying to intellectualize why a typical straight man likes women.
To try to, I don't know how to put it but I think children look more aligned with an aesthetic ideal. I don't mean that necessarily in a sexual way, I mean proportionally. I think the human body is much more beautiful with a rectangular shape. Humans naturally have appreciation for coherent shapes, while the adult male and female body shapes are extremely lopsided. Male shoulders and female hips, even if people may find them attractive, are not aligned with deeper aesthetics. When Male and Female dimorphism emerges, it tarnishes the more neutral, thus more essentially human, thus more beautiful body-form of children. The male or female body-form is a particular deviation from this more essential form, and thus it loses its beauty, it becomes quite filthy. If that makes sense.

>>830958
My autism score is 130-something but then again I'm statistically unusual in a lot of ways

>>830959
Oh yeah? My cock is 12"

>>830957
Well really I just didn't want to be too graphic at risk of getting the entire thread nuked, but since you asked..
Their small size, their lack of secondary sex characteristics (which feel "threatening" to me for lack of a better term), how smooth and soft they are. Idk they're just super super cute and all I want to do is protect them or LARP as an uncle or something. Also, it's just as difficult to describe WHY I like my favorite foods (it just tastes good) or WHY I like my favorite music (it just sounds good), etc. which I guess is part of autism or something. I also never said I didn't feel ashamed or guilty. It's a complicated relationship with concepts like "shame" or "guilt". A better word would probably just be uneasy, like I can't be fully comfortable with it but any alternative seems far worse. I don't know if I sound like a rapey psycho but I feel like I have hyperempathy for children. If a little girl felt creeped out by me it would eat away at me for weeks. Sometimes I wish the entire world was just run by children. They're basically proto-communists since their ego hasn't fully developed and they haven't been exposed to the cruel reality of the modern world.

>>830948
>It's just weird how it's such a meaningless fucking term at this point.
Boy who cried wolf works in politics. You make a serious accusation like genocide or pedophilia so commonplace that it either gets ignored or results in lynch mobs because nobody has the resources to seriously investigate every claim. Part of hypernormalization.
>>830939
> it's all "protect the children" yet treating them like personal property
>>830940
>The current system where children are taught to be absolutely obedient to "trusted adults" is the perfect recipe for sexual abuse.

You're correct and I would even generalize that statement to say it's a recipe for abuse in general.

I'm the father of an autistic child and the insights you shared were insights I also had in my early 20s before becoming a parent. Now that I am a parent I am going to share with you insights and experiences I have had more recently.

1. Parenthood is paradoxical on the question of consent, because nobody can consent to being born before they actually have a cognitive apparatus with which to reject life.
   
2. Once a child is born they may reject life but by that point you have already caused them so much suffering, even if you don't abuse them. My autistic child for example started self harm very young (toddler) despite having a very loving environment with no abusers. My autistic child would even deliberately weaponize self harm to get out of very basic things like brushing teeth or taking a bath, banging their head on the ground, and so forth. This would cause us to need to intervene and restrain them, which meant causing more trauma by restricting their freedom and autonomy and placing unwanted demands on them, such as the demand to brush their teeth and not self harm. It may sound funny reading it, but if you've seen it in person it is horrifying.
   
3. I started to spiral and consider suicide when my autistic toddler would thrash and scream like they were being violently assaulted over basic hygenic upkeep like diaper changes, teeth brushing, baths, etc. To forgo these things is abuse, and yet they never consented to doing these things, which meant physically forcing them to do it against their will while they screamed and thrashed. It was excruciating to see on a daily basis and probably even more excruciating for them. One of the things that kept me going was realizing that I was the one who caused this suffering child to exist in the first place and to kill myself would be taking the easy way out.
   
4. Once you're a parent you are full of fear over accepting your child for who they are because society's standards for how far you should take that are constantly changing. I will accept my child if they're homosexual, bisexual, trans, and so on, even at risk to my personal safety and finances, but if they become antisocial, abusive towards others, or politically reactionary I may have to end my relationship with them. But even if you accept them for who they are they might not like the way you do it, the extent to which you do it, or they may even find your acceptance incomplete, uneducated, reactionary, backwards, in ways you may not even be capable of understanding until you have already done a lot of damage.
   
5. There isn't as much privacy as you think, as a parent, and most other parents are nosy, conservative, religious, or reactionary, so it is difficult as a leftist to go around and make friends with parents on that basis alone. But to not have friends who are parents is to lose a social network you can rely on, especially if you don't have reliable grandparents, brothers, sisters, or cousins. My support network is lacking because both my spouse and I came from broken families and our child was probably the first planned child either of our families had had in 4 generations. That's part of what made it so easy to be overconfident going in. "At least we aren't just doing this on accident like everyone else." People will judge you for how you raise your child, and some will even judge you for making the right choice, insisting that you should hit, abuse, yell at, or otherwise "discipline" your child for behaviors that harm nobody, but violate our arbitrary social norms.
   
6. I discourage everyone else from becoming a parent because it will never match your expectations. When you are young it is easy to look at parents like they are fools and think you would do much better. "Just tell them this." "Just show them that." Then you have a child and it's never that easy. People are always making unwelcome suggestions for you to try things you have already tried dozens of times. Even if you have a cishet neurotypical child who makes good grades, is an athlete, listens to good advice, etc. and satisfies all our arbitrary cultural requirements, you never know when they'll randomly just end up drunk driving, overdosing on drugs, killing someone, killing you, getting arrested, getting framed etc. you never stop worrying about them until the day you die. They will make decisions which surprise you no matter how bad or good they seem to be.
   
7. I listened to all the antinatalist arguments in my teens and twenties but since the continuation of humanity was important to me for reasons I am only now beginning to question, and because I didn't want to lose what was my secular equivalent of religion, I went through with it anyway. I was a fool and now someone has to suffer existence and mortality for it.
   
8. Nobody cares if your kid abuses you unless they are a teenager or older. But kids are capable of dealing you permanent damage even as toddlers. My autistic child has scratched my cornea, has hit me, punched me, twisted my fingers and caused permanent nerve damage, and hundreds of small injuries and I have never hit them once, but nobody takes it seriously. It sounds like I am whining but these are rather typical injuries parents get. Very minor in the grand scheme.
   
9. You can parent "perfectly" but it won't change the fact that parenthood itself is risky business, morally fucked, and your child might just one day decide to lie about you and get you in trouble with authorities. My mother did this to my grandfather and confessed only in old age. My mother also injured me as a baby and confessed only in old age.
   
   

Anyway this is getting kind of rambly so I'll stop here. I won't read replies or come back to this thread so feel free to say whatever mean stuff to me. Take my advice and don't become a parent.

>>830960
Mine is 6" but I don't want it anywhere near women ughhh there's just something so disturbing about that like Lovecraftian tier cosmic horror

>>830961
Children absolutely have an ego! They are more easily kind and friendly for sure, but they have an ego! Unless you mean toddlers, children can find it hard to truly sympathize with others. I guess adults also can manage to grow up and still not understand that others conceive of the world differently than they do, but children especially lack this.
This sort of thing is why some researchers like Walker actually say that pedophiles having some interaction with children can be beneficial, since an idealized vision of children can develop amongst pedophiles otherwise.

>>830958
>if you think that men don't generally have that sort of domineering sexual desire.

i'm a man and i don't have it. i don't want to dominate or control anybody. i did feel that way when i was a child though, i wanted to get what i want all the time and people to do what i wanted them to do, if i wanted some toy at the store i would pester my mom to get it for me and when she said no i would get upset and whine and throw a hissy fit like children do, and then she would say no even more firmly and she would lecture me about how it's not all about me and what i want. and then when i was a little older in my late teens i was in my very first serious relationship and early on i would act like an annoying sex pest and bug my girlfriend when i wanted sex and she was busy or not in the mood and, like my mom did at the store when i was a kid, she firmly said no and lectured me about how it's not all about me and what i want. and somewhere along the way throughout all these ego-shattering confrontations and life lessons, i gradually stopped being a childish entitled self-centered little boy and became a man. but unfortunately a lot of boys never manage to reach this kind of maturity, they remain boys in an adult man body and naturally they can't vibe with women acting the way they do, so they seek out young girls.

>>830962
Damn that's fucking brutal. I could never become a parent anyway because I can barely take care of myself. But I was always more of a "high-functioning" sperg type than a drooling retard. Always the most hated kid in class without ever understanding why. Always way behind your peers developmentally even though you "read at a college level" in kindergarten, having meltdowns over "spilled milk" while all the other kids are basically becoming mini-teenagers, stuff like that. I haven't talked to my mom in over a year because I finally had enough of her shit. She abused me since I was born basically and still minimizes and rationalizes it even after being "born again". Now I'm all on my own, even my own father doesn't want anything to do with me because I basically remind him of his past (and he's also the one who gave me the autism genes). But I guess it could always be worse.

>>830965
>they remain boys in an adult man body
Like me!
>and naturally they can't vibe with women acting the way they do, so they seek out young girls
You mean "opportunistic offenders"? Because the kind of people you're talking about aren't "pedophiles" in any real sense

>>830965
>but unfortunately a lot of boys never manage to reach this kind of maturity, they remain boys in an adult man body and naturally they can't vibe with women acting the way they do, so they seek out young girls.
Nice Freudian theory. Was that freshly shat out of your ass?
Anyway, according to consensus, pedophilia is something that is associated with developments in the womb, being associated with things like left-handedness. At most, a traumatic injury to the head before puberty can be associated with it. So its nothing at all to do with someone in puberty getting rejected and deciding that little girls are hot arbitrarily.

>>830964
>since an idealized vision of children can develop amongst pedophiles otherwise
Basically what happened to me. I can almost count on my fingers the amount of times I've personally interacted with a child in the past decade. It just never really happened. So naturally you turn out like this. When kids ACT like kids it causes some sort of uncomfortable cognitive dissonance, like that hyperidealized caricature is being shattered before my eyes. I've really been wanting to be a substitute teacher lately and I could be like Ms. Frizzle or something and it would be tons of fun and I could actually make school enjoyable for them but I know that's a complete fantasy. I'm a total freak and I'm just barely scraping by every day. Pedophilia is the least of my concerns really, it's everything else about me. But hey at least I can get drunk every day and laugh at my life, so it's not all doom and gloom

>but im a child in a man's body
yet you have a passing interest in things only adults have interest in, such as politics.
You are not a child in a man's body unless you have a learning disability.
In which case you're severely retarded

>>830970
I don't know what "vibing with women" means, I kind of just don't want to interact with them at all. But I also don't really want to interact with men either. They're all still kinda "scary adults" to my subconscious mind. I've never once "sought out young girls" nor "approached women". The few times girls my age "hit" on me it was deeply uncomfortable and I wanted to crawl out of my own skin. Likewise, the few times I was actually around little girls it just kind of happened. Again he's basically describing opportunistic offenders which aren't pedophiles at all but rather normalfags who are basically psychopaths/narcissists with substance abuse issues.

>>830972
>yet you have a passing interest in things only adults have interest in, such as politics.
Which I've had since I was about 6 or 7 anyway
>You are not a child in a man's body unless you have a learning disability.
Which I also have
>In which case you're severely retarded
Even though muh autism score is 130-something
Yeah I think your logic is falling apart a little
You do realize a common thing with autism is basically being an "adult in a child's body" as a child but vice versa as an adult right

You have to read max stirner and stop giving yourself labels made up by 2014 right wing tumblr psyops.

I know it gives you catharsis to argue with "antis" or whatever on twitter, but that's reactionary. Stop that. Stop making such a big deal about your kinks and go join an org to do something productive.

>>830970

wanting to fuck children and pursue romantic sexual relationships with children is not a sexual orientation or a neurological condition, it's just being an abusive domineering narcissist and wanting to use someone and groom someone into being something they are not in order to feel like you have control and have power. because there are people who genuinely do love children for who they really are and they tend to express these sentiments by becoming parents or school teachers or whatever and they form genuine two-way social relationships with children rather than coercive one-way parasocial relationships where they are just using the child to get what they want and don't actually care about what the child wants. i mean, you can see that right here in this thread - has there been any mention at all throughout this whole discussion about what the kids might want? how the kids might feel? no, of course not. that never comes up. it's all about what the adult wants and how the adult feels. and i'm supposed to believe that this is love?

>>830976
>there's no such thing as a pedophile.
Now this is a groundbreaking discovery! E-mail Cantor or Seto, stat.
>>830977
>kinks
its not a kink.
>Stop making such a big deal
why not, is one's sexuality not important to their self?

>>830977
>You have to read max stirner and stop giving yourself labels made up by 2014 right wing tumblr psyops.
Trvke, I don't even like the term really I just didn't want to say THE P-WORD
>I know it gives you catharsis to argue with "antis" or whatever on twitter, but that's reactionary.
I've never done that doe
>Stop that. Stop making such a big deal about your kinks and go join an org to do something productive.
Idk, I regularly volunteered at the homeless shelter earlier this year, that's gotta count for something. I don't really know if I have the mental bandwidth to engage in le praxis honestly. Sometimes every day is a struggle and it's hard enough just to perform basic "self-care"

>>830979
>its not a kink.
Then it's even less deserving of making a big deal about
>why not, is one's sexuality not important to their self?
Building a sense of self is what pseudonymous forums and activitypub instances are for. Go help an org so there can be a future where people can have a productive discussion about those components of your self. We live in far too reactionary times for that, and getting into debates about it isn't helping.

>>830975
>Which I've had since I was about 6 or 7 anyway
youve been interested in extremist politics and bounced around imageboards since you were 6-7? I highly doubt it. When I was 6 I was reading encylopedia brown and watching Dora.
>Which I also have
>Even though muh autism score is 130-something
yeah man, children normally have an autism score of 130.
I use the word retarded because that's what you're supposing, a literally retarded brain in an adult.
>Yeah I think your logic is falling apart a little
>You do realize a common thing with autism is basically being an "adult in a child's body" as a child but vice versa as an adult right
This is merely an expression of not fitting in. Autistics don't fit in our western society, it's not a case of Benjamin Button but only for your brain you sperg.
Being obsessed with trains as a child so much so that you learn how a train works in meticulous detail just means you're hyper focused whereas neurotypical people are focused on a more broad variety of topics.

I am highly skeptical to your reasoning, because it just sounds like an excuse to use your disability to justify your attraction to minors.

>>830978
Cool theory. I've personally interacted with maybe 5 or 6 little girls in the past decade total and hyperfixated on my every action to make sure I didn't do anything even slightly wrong. Do I get good boy points now?

>>830982
>youve been interested in extremist politics
Unironically yes
>and bounced around imageboards since you were 6-7?
When did imageboards ever come into the equation? Although I was lurking /b/ as early as 9 so I don't know what you want me to say
>I highly doubt it. When I was 6 I was reading encylopedia brown and watching Dora.
So was I. While also wondering how world peace could be achieved, and why kids in China didn't believe in God, and why Russia is such a shithole nowadays but researching how it was better under Soviet rule. If you give a kid unlimited internet access what do you expect? Unless that's not "extremist" enough for you.
>yeah man, children normally have an autism score of 130.
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or what but they tested me when I was 10 and it was around 135 IIRC. Or you're trying to imply that kids in general are super smart. I don't know
>I use the word retarded because that's what you're supposing, a literally retarded brain in an adult.
I might as well be, I never even went to high school. I just happen to be independent and full-time employed after multiple episodes of homelessness. It's like a miracle or something and even I don't fully understand it. I just ended up here, right now, and that's where I am.
>This is merely an expression of not fitting in. Autistics don't fit in our western society, it's not a case of Benjamin Button but only for your brain you sperg.
Being obsessed with trains as a child so much so that you learn how a train works in meticulous detail just means you're hyper focused whereas neurotypical people are focused on a more broad variety of topics.
Idk, the best way I can describe it is basically still viewing the world like a child would, still throwing tantrums over small things, basically operating as a child would without a guardian (I'm gonna drink as much as I want because I feel like it, I'm gonna stay up late watching cartoons and get 6 hours of sleep just because, I'm gonna eat junkfood and dance around all night because it's fun). It's really just being so developmentally delayed that the idea of you being an "adult" almost seems absurd beyond a biological level.
>I am highly skeptical to your reasoning, because it just sounds like an excuse to use your disability to justify your attraction to minors
I don't really see how I'm "justifying" anything, but statically pedophiles are more likely to have neurodivergent traits. Being a "stereotypical" autistic pedophile almost seems like a given in my case. I'm not here to "justify" anything, but I bet I've read more research about pedophilia than you (by virtue of being one) as has that other guy. You can pathologize it all you want with buzzwords like "abusive domineering narcissist" but at the end of the day maybe I really am just a retard who never aged past 12, and maybe it's that simple.

>>830987
notice how unproductive arguing with people like >>830982 is? They're too hungry for catharsis to engage in a good faith conversation. Material conditions have to change to snap people out of that.

>>830987
I guess I did come off as argumentative, but really what do you expect on an imageboard?
Anyway, if you truly feel like there's some arrested development causing you're pedophilia, then I guess it is what it is.|
>>830989
What would an ideal world be like for non offending pedophiles? What did Marx not account for in the pedophile equation?

>41 replies
>9 unique IPs
Lol, I wouldn't be surprised if this pedo is samefagging.
Jannies, of course, refuse to do their jobs.

>>830989
Idk, it just reminds me that even the "wokest" of people still become total armchair psychologists whenever THE P-WORD is mentioned. It's one of the single issues people just can't help but be reactionary on

>>830990
>I guess I did come off as argumentative, but really what do you expect on an imageboard?
I don't think you came off as argumentative, but rather skeptical
>Anyway, if you truly feel like there's some arrested development causing you're pedophilia, then I guess it is what it is.
I think it's the other way around. Arrested development is the result of being an autistic pedophile with "C-PTSD", it's almost a given at that point.
>>830991
all me btw

>>830990
>What would an ideal world be like for non offending pedophiles?
One where profit motive doesn't make mental healthcare impossible, and one were the material conditions that make people reactionary are abolished so they can just get loli hentai at their local The People's Barnes and Proletariat without it being a big deal. Chances are the taboo is a big factor in this sort of thing forming in the first place.

>>830990
What would an ideal world be like for non offending pedophiles??
Perhaps a world where pedophiles can actually exist openly. Maybe one where pedophile adolescents are taught proper information that can describe what they are feeling, rather than believe they are something Satanic.

You ask this after rambling about how pedophilia is nothing but a product of being a abusive domineering narcissist. I wonder what misconceptions pedophiles don't like.

>>830997 (me)
Also the reason I think book (free) stores book stores would exist under socialism is because stuff like porn and cook books can get messy, and returning them to the library risks overlooked getting grease and cum other books, so there is a utility in letting people just have some books as personal property.

>>830997
>One where profit motive doesn't make mental healthcare impossible
I had 8 cops show up at my door out of nowhere to drag me to a fucking insane asylum for 2 weeks straight and I wouldve been committed indefinitely had I not caved in and forced myself to take antipsychotics and SSRIs (which had horrific side effects that lingered for a week even after I got out) all just to have the police report say that I "openly identify as a pedophile". It's no wonder that I'll never see a single "professional" again and view them as nothing more than a second wing of the police. Mission accomplished, I guess.

>>830998
>Maybe one where pedophile adolescents are taught proper information that can describe what they are feeling
Better than your only source of information being VirPed where even there it's a bunch of self-loathing terminally online radlib freaks who brag about how much they "hate children actually" just so they can be "one of the good ones". God I fucking hate that site

>>831003
Erm akshually libraries are AES and these commie bastards want to give kids access to knowledge FOR FREE, whats next, school lunches free of charge?

>>831001
>so blinded by rage you can't see i'm namefagging
I don't care enough to have a flamewar right now, but I do think this is a blind spot that needs to be attended to.
But I honestly don't even see this as an issue that any socialist state would look at in particular, other than through a wider net of mental healthcare reforms.

>>831006
Exactly. Doesn't matter weather something like this should be considered neurodivergent or not, just having a mental healthcare professional you could have a confidential conversation with about this stuff would improve your circumstances a lot. That can only be possible under socialism.

pedophiles are adults who are emotionally like children yet leverage their adult-level intellect and physicality to extract sexual pleasure and emotional validation from children against their will. so i think the best way to deal with them would probably be to put them in a room with another more powerful adult and have that person wail on them with a belt until they grow up and start acting right.

>>831012
There's genuinely nothing else I can think of to turn to at this point other than maybe psychedelics. Maybe I'll get so shroomed I'll circle all the way back to becoming a neurotypical teleiophile. So far I've only gotten to the "listening to vaporwave as the walls melt" stage. Anti-therapy, anti-SSRI, anti-psychiatry etc. should really just be a default communist position at this point, fucking hate these evil cunts. When I was 12 I was in a psych ward (that got shut down soon after) where they slipped an actual 5 year old crushed up antipsychotics in fucking ICE CREAM because he was (understandably) throwing a fit about being suddenly ripped from his home and parents. You dont hate them enough

>>831010
My bad, and yes, its not particularly a socialist idea. AES doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of even homosexuality being accepted. Meanwhile capitalist countries can have people in the top military levels wave pride flags. Its a purely cultural issue. Any country, socialist or not, can have a day in high school where kids watch some lecture about how if you have pedophilic thoughts its nothing you need to panic about, that you can seek a counselor if need be, and that if that your friend is the one with pedophilic thoughts you shouldn't consider them evil.

>>831013
Seems kinda fascist anon. Yes pedos are like children in the same way gay guys just have a knack for interior design, but if anything healthy positive interactions with children allow the pedo to humanize children more instead of them just being one dimensional hyperidealized pure innocent etc caricatures. All that being "wailed on with a belt" has ever done for me is give me extremely low-self esteem, depersonalization, and persistent paranoia and distrust of the "adult world" in general

>>831014
Anti-psychiatry (with nuance) is a fairly common position for communists these days. At least in the sense that it needs to be heavily refactored or replaced with something more scientific, which can't happen with profit incentive in the way.

>>831016
The whole "pedohysteria" thing seems like kind of a uniquely Western issue. When the topic comes up when talking with Chinese people they basically say its nowhere near as much of a big deal in their country. I dont know if thats a cultural thing or what but it does seem like kind of a uniquely recent Western idea

>>831018
I rely on stimulants just to have a roof over my head, but in my view stimulants should be available to all. So should psychedelics, opioids, etc. Nobody is gonna go "hmmm today I should try fentanyl" unless theyre already living in the unbearable world that is our modern reality to begin with. The War On Drugs is directly comparable to pedophilia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't decriminalizing drugs and investing in "professional support" instead actually end up saving everybody money overall? The exact same principle could more or less be applied to pedophilia but God forbid that ever happens.

>>831016
Economy forms culture, there are obvious profit incentives to create moral panics, and those moral panics can contribute to people forming mental abnormalities which can then be used as more fuel for moral panics.

A socialist country that fails to get rid of it's reactionaries Tinyman Square style and create the conditions were people don't get that reactionary again is one that is doomed.

>>831020
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't decriminalizing drugs and investing in "professional support" instead actually end up saving everybody money overall?
From what I understand, yeah. Haven't specifically looked into the studies on that, but that's what I've gathered from summaries.
>The exact same principle could more or less be applied to pedophilia but God forbid that ever happens.
Perhaps. I feel like less people would become pedophiles if it wasn't a big deal to be one.

>>831021
Redpill me on 天安门广场, they killed ovar 9000 college students who wanted moar capitalism or something? I'm not well-versed enough about things like that but I think America bombing hundreds of little girls for Israel is just as bad. Even my more-or-less-liberal dad (who works for Lockheed Martin) still defends it as "just an accident". Are you fucking kidding me? WHAT FUCKING REALITY DO WE LIVE IN??? AND I'M THE FUCKING BAD GUY? Seriously I dont fucking understand any of this

>>831022
>Perhaps. I feel like less people would become pedophiles if it wasn't a big deal to be one.
What do you mean?

>>831023
They were angry that the college was letting black students attend, so by mowing them down they made the colleges less racist. Minor blow to PR for long term gains.
>>831024
The taboo makes people stress about it, which ingrains it more.

Like I am mildly into paws (sorta feet but not really.) If there was a moral panic about being into paws I'd probably be less normal about it than I am with it being not a hot topic.

>>831017
>All that being "wailed on with a belt" has ever done for me is give me extremely low-self esteem, depersonalization, and persistent paranoia and distrust of the "adult world" in general

that's because it happened when you were a child, when an adult used their superior physicality to coerce you into doing what they wanted you to do, and now you want to do the same thing and the cycle of child abuse continues.

children shouldn't be beaten, but adults who prey on children should be beaten, and not as a form of coercion but as an ego cleansing and a final warning. inflict unbearable pain and humiliation on them and if they still keep preying on children after that, kill them. that's more humane imo than sending them to prison where they'll be raped and beaten for years and years and probably murdered or driven to suicide.

>>831027
>but adults who prey on children should be beaten, and not as a form of coercion but as an ego cleansing
Policies made for the sake of catharsis are reactionary. Neither children or adults should be beaten because that doesn't do anything, it's a waste of resources so people can feel good.
>and a final warning
warning people not to do what material conditions predestine an amount of the population will do is an admittance of unwillingness to change those conditions. People should be studied, and dangerous people should be studied in an environment where they aren't a danger to people. All detainment must be done for research purposes, because it is a waste of potential research not to.

>>831028

locking a criminal in a cage is just as reactionary as whipping them, and imo even more cruel. it's just a more cowardly indirect form of cruelty where the suffering is happening inside the cage and the people outside can ignore it and pretend it isn't happening. and unless you intend to keep them in there for life then eventually they will get out and be part of society again, for better or for worse. so all that is really accomplished in the end is inflicting a great deal of cruelty and humiliation on them by putting them in a cage like an animal for years - so why draw it out? why not just inflict all the cruelty and humiliation in one quick dose?

>>831031
There should be a finer gradient than being in jail or not being in jail.

>>831031
Figuring out why individual cases happened allows for informed policy decisions that fix those conditions so cases don't happen. The total suffering will be less over time if detainment is solely for research and not deciding how much suffering is acceptable and for whom is "justice."

>>831034
You vastly overestimate how many researchers there are for these things.

>>831038
>You vastly overestimate how many researchers there are for these things.
Sounds like a reliable way make jobs.

>>830934
What the fuck is a nomap?

cool thread to leave up btw mods

doing a really nice job of keeping the website clean

>>831067
"Non-offending minor-attracted person"
Basically he wants to fuck kids but is scared of going to prison lol
Leftycoal never beating the pedophile allegations

>>830934
Dont care. This is idpol.

>>831074

I thought NOMAP meant not being a pedo and that it was a joke thread the whole time

Chat bbt write a fan fiction about how leftists are pedos with counter arguments and organic discussion to make it look legit.

🙄

"non-offending"? more like "no opportunities".

>>831090
Holy schizo