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Not trying to glaze too hard but it's genuinely insane how every time I read something lenin wrote it always makes perfect sense to me. Is there any really shitty or stupid opinions he had?

I never read anything by Lenin, what does he get right?

He self-criticizes a little bit in his Left Wing Communism-An Infantile Disorder

>Is there any really shitty or stupid opinions he had?
A lot imo
His theory on how imperialism works i.e. capital flowing from rich developed countries to poor undeveloped countries has been thoroughly discredited (FDI mostly flows to other developed countries)
War communism was a disaster that needlessly killed millions of people and required US government to get involved and basically save the Bolsheviks
Repudiating the Tsarist debt and then to compensate, printing money shit ton of money until ruble was basically worthless
Accepting German aid
Basically creating the police state and nomenklatura that Stalin later cemented

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>Freedom to trade in grain is a return to capitalism, to the full power of the landowners and capitalists, to a savage struggle between people for profit, to the "free" enrichment of the few, to the poverty of the masses, to the eternal bondage we see in all bourgeois states, including the freest and most democratic republics.

Lenin, Freedom to Trade in Grain, August 1919

http://www.marx2mao.com/Lenin/FTG19.html

>[…]we made the mistake of deciding to go over directly to communist production and distribution. We thought that under the surplus-food appropriation system the peasants would provide us with the required quantity of grain, which we could distribute among the factories and thus achieve communist production and distribution […] The New Economic Policy means substituting a tax for the requisitioning of food; it means reverting to capitalism to a considerable extent […] for the abolition of the surplus-food appropriation system means allowing the peasants to trade freely in their surplus agricultural produce, in whatever is left over after the tax is collected—and the tax takes only a small share of that produce. The peasants constitute a huge section of our population and of our entire economy, and that is why capitalism must grow out of this soil of free trading.


Lenin, The New Economic Policy, October 1921

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/oct/17.htm

I don't draw the comparison between these two quotes to say that Lenin was wrong or bad or stupid, on the contrary, I think the contradictions of actually seizing and wielding power are more complex than what revolutionary theory can prepare you for. This does not mean that every last bit of revisionism and opportunism are justified, but it also means you shouldn't dismiss every hard decision that someone makes in real life as revisionism or opportunism, no?

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>>831484
>His theory on how imperialism works i.e. capital flowing from rich developed countries to poor undeveloped countries has been thoroughly discredited (FDI mostly flows to other developed countries)
Imperialism changed its own behavior and adapted to Lenin's theories. In the 19th century the imperial core created its own competition through FDI. The case of the Meiji Restoration was stunning. To avoid the "mistake" of rapidly developing the less developed countries so that they caught up and became rivals, the capitalists of the 20th century developed a strategy of underdevelopment and overexploitation. Once theorists like Hudson noticed this in the 1970s, they concealed the economic data revealing this.

>>831469
Democratic centralism and response to national question are his biggest shortcomings. He did wonderful work expanding Marxism with a more pragmatic approach but nobody is prefect.

>>831485
Him correcting his mistakes and saving millions on lives by doing this is only positive.

>>831486
>Imperialism changed its own behavior and adapted to Lenin's theories.
Post hoc rationalization
Besides Lenin's mechanisms of imperialism was mostly ripped from J.A Hobson

>>831539
DemCent is wrong and bad because….?
Look at DSA now where all of their elected politicians backstab everything DSA proclaims it stands for. That's a lack of DemCent for you.

>>831486
>superimperialism
Kautskyism is the exact opposite of leninism, anon

>>831484
>FDI mostly flows to other developed countries
the imperialist nations are all net exporters of FDI

>>831608
>Kautskyism is the exact opposite of leninism
>exact opposite
very funny… as we all know kautsky and lenin never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever agreed on a single thing. they were exact opposites. even the tsar and lenin agreed more than lenin and kautsky. so true. so true.

>>831611
>even the tsar and lenin agreed more than lenin and kautsky
Not a whiff of marxism existed in kautsky mind so yeah

>>831469
Being a jew

>>831604
>DemCent is wrong and bad because….?
As general secretary Stalin controlled appointments so he picked the people who elected the Central Committee. Lower organs electing higher ones was turned upside down.

Lenin warned about Stalin in his testament but never fixed the structure that resulted in Stalin. Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and Bukharin all got beaten with the faction ban and by the 30s dissent was treason thus ending any semblance of democratic decision making in the party.

He defended a rapist who drove a woman to suicide.

>>831662
and who elected stalin as gensec?

>>831664
who did he defend?

>>831664
He also defended a painfully obvious Okhrana spook named Roman Malinovsky

at an operative level he sucked at choosing and selecting people
like those guys that abused that women and were allowed to stay in the party: regardless of whether you're woke or not, you should nevertheless expel people like that because they don't have the moral character to wield power responsibly

on a more strategic level, he was relatively open about the failure of the soviets (the popular congresses), which precipitated the establishment of a political bureaucracy. he was good at criticizing his opponents, but he failed at building a revolutionary state. by revolutionary state I mean a new state that could sustain itself without eventually collapsing back into the previous system

>>831677
lenin said malinovskys contribution to the revolution vastly outweighed the damage he did

>>831662
>Lenin warned about Stalin in his testament
i was always told this was made up

>>831688
Yeah, Lenin was a bit of a fucking retard (if he somehow wasn't an Okrhana agent himself)
FYI the the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks were both THOROUGHLY penetrated by the Okrhana

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>>831691
father gapon, the priest who led the bloody sunday march that kickstarted the 1905 revolution, was also a paid Okhrana agent. we have to admit that intelligence agencies are sometimes counter productive


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