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Napoleon was the God of Historical Progress in Europe, but also the harbinger of Slavery in the Americas.

>>831701
Stalin of the French revolution.

I never understood how Napoleon is RW ever made sense. He did some reactionary stuff (Haiti) but it was well within the norms of the time it would be like saying Stalin is actually a right-winger because he re-criminalized homosexuality while forgetting everything else that he did.

>>831813
Monarchism is reactionary even if the "enlightened" monarch declares some progressive laws.

>>831813
Napoleon was the Trump of his day. Relentless imperialism, attacking everyone around him just because he could, insane cult of personality, etc.

>>831819
>Relentless imperialism, attacking everyone around him just because he could
Leaving out the inconvenient little fact that every monarchy in Europe declared war on revolutionary France before he ever took command of the army. You can make the same argument against the Bolsheviks and Stalin. An international revolution needs a leader. Can't say you're wrong about the cult of personality though, but that's just what people tend to do when you find out an absolute madman is out here toppling monarchs left and right.

>>831814
It was a bit more than declaring some progressive laws lmao. He exported the revolution in all of Europe.
>>831819
No. The countries we waged war at litteraly declared war on us first to destroy the reolution as it happenned.
The restauration and the white terror targeted Bonapartists the same as Republicans and Jacobins.

>>831821
>He exported the revolution in all of Europe.
Installing your relatives as monarchs of other countries isnt exporting revolution.

He was a king though. DEATH TO ALL ROYALTY.

If he was really revolutionary, the Holy Alliance would have had him killed. But he was a monarch, he was one of them, and so he could not have been killed. All of the Committee of Public Safety would have been killed during the revolutionary war though, if the royals got their hands on them. Napoleon was a slaver KING and he should only ever be remembered as those two things. Rightoids love him because he is the opposite of the popular revolution.

(Oliver Cromwell on the other hand was a revolutionary, and guess what? Cromwell rejected being a King).

napoleon was the product of the thermidor reaction. robespierre was at least an abolitionist while napoleon tried and failed to re-enslave haiti. napoleon also crowned himself emperor. just because the monarchs of europe seethed at his republican origins doesn't really make a difference. russian nobles calling napoleon "regicide" and "antichrist" in the opening pages of War and Peace is the early 19th century equivalent of conservatoids calling Obama a "communist" while he bombs the third world.

Nothing wrong with monarchs if they agree with me!! thread

>>831848
>But he was a monarch
even in times of revolution a monarch can play a progressive role, its monarchism as an institution thats automatically regressive. net overall napoleon significantly reduced the monarchies of europe
>Oliver Cromwell
no better than george washington

>>831848
Cromwell committed genocide.
Slavery > Genocide.

obligatory Alan Aztec (feat. Stellys)

>>831947
cromwell wasn't a slave owner though

>>831848
>If he was really revolutionary, the Holy Alliance would have had him killed
the vast majority of communist revolutionaries weren't executed either (except by other communist),they were exiled/sent to jail

>>831998
Cromwell organized the economic and militaristic enslavement of the far east through the East India Company which he could have destroyed but didn't, instead re-organizing it to compete with the dutch. Washington enslaved individuals, Cromwell enslaved entire nations