/siberia/ - Off-topic

killing people is wrong

>>832235
>death penalty
depends on who's in charge and who's being killed

>public executions
depends on who's in charge and who's being killed

>reeducation camps
depends on who's in charge and who's being reeducated

>government surveillance
depends on who's in charge and who's being surveilled

>building a wall
depends on who's in charge and who the wall is being built to stop

if it's communists doing it then it's good, anyone else and it's bad

>>832235
>non-larpingly
I wanna send you to reeducation camp, where you're heavily surveiled inside a big ass wall before being executed.
how the fuck do you live action roleplay an opinion on the internet you little shitball?

>the death penalty
Only in revolutionary and chaotic times
>public executions
If you kill people it's best to be transparent about it
>reeducation camps
Necessary, but need a solid legal and institutional framework with checks and balances, the goal is to reeducate not get cheap labor
>government surveillance
Also necessary but should be limited
>building a wall
No borders, only to stop people fucking around with environmentally protected zones or something

>the death penalty:
Sadistic evil shit.
>public executions:
Sadistic evil shit.
>reeducation camps:
Look, you have to put them somewhere.
>government surveillance:
Stay out of my goon folder.
>building a wall:
No borders, no nations, but I still dont want them in my neighbourhood.

>>832235
>the death penalty
Against it. Independently from the purely ethical question of whether some crimes deserve death as punishment, humans and their institutions are faillible so I wouldn't entrust a judge or a jury's the power to end someone's life if only for the risk or killing someone who did not actually commit a crime.

>public executions
Against it since I'm against death penalty in the first place, but from the moment state sanctionned murder is lawful, hiding it seems hypocritical.

>reeducation camps
On the principle, that's how repression should be done. After that, it depends on how it's done.
<But brainwashing !
Let's be honest here: the only difference between brainwashing and education is whether you agree or not with what you try to carve in people's mind. Prove me wrong.

>government surveillance
There is two kind of people: those who have things to hide and those who don't know they have things to hide. For this reason, state surveillance should be strictly limited.

>building a wall
The only thing walls are doing is making human traffickers wealthier for they become the only ones with the means to work around fortified borders

not my problem
not my problem
not my problem
not my problem
not my problem

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>the death penalty:
Le bad
>public executions:
Le bad
>reeducation camps:
Le bad
>government surveillance:
Le bad
>building a wall:
Only if im doing it to protect my shit

>>832290
>the only difference between brainwashing and education is whether you agree or not with what you try to carve in people's mind
If I educate someone and they agree with me did I brainwash them? No the difference is fundamental, education is meant to provide a person with a set of mental tools, a critical spirit, a general knowledge so they can be have the most freedom. "Brainwashing" is the exact opposite, it's about restricting the mental universe of a person until they're all about a few strong emotions connected with the positions you want them to have.

the death penalty doesn't deter crime or save tax dollars and its true purpose is retribution, to provide psychological comfort to vengeful people.

public executions don't deter terrorists or inspire any new nationalist fervor, their true purpose is to provide psychological comfort to paranoid rulers and already-brainwashed citizenry.

re-education camps do not re-educate people they just imprison and torture people and their true purpose is the same as the previous.

government surveillance doesn't gather any useful information because its an unwinnable arms race with the actual criminals and dissidents who will always be one step ahead of the glacially slow to react bureaucracy that is the government, and its true purpose is the same as the previous.

building a wall has never worked as a border enforcement tactic even in ancient times nevermind in the modern age where aircraft and explosives are a thing, and to wall off the entire us-mexico border is a ludricously infeasible proposition and a wall made of steel slats and concrete is not a long-term structure that can withstand the elements for more than a couple decades and must be continuously rebuilt over and over again even without human vandalism being taken into account, and its true purpose is to provide psychological comfort to racist americans.

all of these things are just theatrical performances that pretend to do something about unsolvable problems to make certain people feel better and like everything is under control.

>>832297
>If I educate someone and they agree with me did I brainwash them
From your point of view it will be education, from the point of view of the one who hold opposite opinions to yours, you have done brainwashing.

>>832318
The postmodernist post truth thing is getting old albeit. Maybe people want to get back to having opinions on things weighting science and whatever, maybe they don't want to get thrown in a culture war just investigating reality.

>>832279
>no borders no nations but I’m still racist

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>>832367
Im not racist, its not about skin colour, its about culture, and until they sufficently integrate into ours I dont want to see them.

>the death penalty
Yes for any kind of terrorism (even attempted).
>public executions
No but also yes. Would never announce a public execution or do a livestream or anything like that but maybe someone in prison is beaten to death and this is caught on camera which is then purposefully leaked to the public. There should be a level of distance between leadership and any kind of trashy/overly violent behavior
>reeducation camps
A necessity but also I don't really understand how you can deprogram people whose mind has been so thoroughly raped by propaganda. A question for psychologists not for me.
>government surveillance
This is already a thing in basically any country. If we let stores have security cameras and homes have doorbell cameras we're already most of the way there. May as well put the info to some use if we're not going to have privacy anyway.
>building a wall
What kind of wall? If you mean the trump thing that's obviously retarded. If you just mean general boarder security that's heavily situational.

>>832421
To be fair
>I don't want them in my neighborhood
sounds like some shit a redneck would say about a black family moving in lol.
Yeah though I don't trust any religious cultures not to impose that shit on people.

>>832235
this >>832301 basically. beyond moral objections (which i do also have) to all of these things, they are most importantly just ineffective and inefficient.

>>832235
>the death penalty:
neutral
>public executions:
depends
>reeducation camps:
big no no coming from me
>government surveillance:
biggest no on this one
>building a wall:
yes

>>832294
Based

>>832248
based and carl schmitt pilled

>>832338
No they don't. They aren't seeking opinions founded on reasoning and evidence. They're also too cowardly to be actual postmodern relativists either. They just want their have their gut feeling vindicated and have their own opinions treated as objective truth and the opposite postions being deemed wrong, deceitful and prosecutable.

>the death penalty
Bad but can be acceptable if it is done by a people's court/mob

>public executions
Dumb

>reeducation camps
Bad

>government surveillance
Break every camera you can

>building a wall
only ok if it is for a house or enclosure for goats and sheep

>>832236
moralist
>>832248
opportunist
>>832249
psychologist
>>832254
libertarian
>>832279
pedophile
>>832290
moralist
>>832294
bystander
>>832295
capitalist
>>832297
debate addict
>>832301
nihilist
>>832428
flipflopper
>>832444
fencesitter
>>832447
petite bourgeois
>>832487
anarkiddie

>>832301
>government surveillance doesn't gather any useful information

it's useful to me to see you jacking off

>>832249 u don't have to b so mean abt it :C

>>832552
Is your dick really huge?

>>832555
they can't even handle the tip :C

>>832570
Show me then.

the death penalty: inhumane
public executions: unnecessary
reeducation camps: necessary
government surveillance: cringe
building a wall: mega cringe

>>832573
Explain all these without resorting to moralism

>>832584
you explain why having morals is bad

>>832589
Nothing wrong with it inherentally, im not some edgy leftcom kid BUT i fail to see why executing someone like say well i dont know epstein is wrong

>>832573
>torturing people for years in "reeducation camps" is more humane than killing them
Lol

>>832593
eh, this is the part were people argue semantics. what is a reeducation camp? does it necessitate torture? you will say "ummm quite obviously everyone understands it to mean in the horrible historical gulag sense of the word" others will say "not necessarily" and you will go around in interminable circles like retards, which is what you want to do because you are some sort of pervert. what is wrong with you? rhetorical question. don't answer.

>>832596
Any person you put in charge of a facility to "correct bad thoughts" WILL be a sadistic asshole who will experiment how to "fix" them.